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Bad Guy Natalie Beacom=Problem Buyer...

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Natalie Beacom (user name Charlet 2007 on here) recently inquired about the pair of WS Black Ratsnakes that I have posted for sale in the classifieds.

She expressed interest in purchasing them and made me an offer on November 20th. I agreed to her offer, even though it was substantially less than what I was asking for the snakes (we agreed upon $200 shipped instead of the $200+shipping that I am asking, essentially giving her free shipping on the animals).

Natalie says she will PayPal me the money for the snakes on November 22nd and we agreed upon a shipping date. Three days go by and I do not hear from Natalie and I have not received payment for the snakes. The day that she agreed to purchase them, I went to the various websites where I had them listed for sale and marked them sold, thus taking them off the market.

Finally on November 25th I get a PM from Natalie, asking if I would be OK with holding onto the snakes until the weather warms up because she was concerned with their safe arrival during shipping. I assured her that I would guarantee live arrival and that I have successfully shipped many animals in cold weather before with no fatalities. She agreed to send payment for the animals as long as I would hold onto them for her, which I agreed to.

I have not heard from Natalie since November 25th and I have not received payment for the snakes. The snakes were off the market for a week while I was awaiting payment from her, making me miss out on numerous opportunities to sell the animals to other interested parties.

Natalie agreed to buy snakes from me and did not come through with her end of the agreement, which has cost me $200 in money that I could definitely put to use in this rough economic time period.

Sellers beware! :(
 
First off i didn't not ask you to hold them for me.. 2nd of ive been having problems with my surgery and have not been home.. i have been in and out of the hospital over the last week.. I do want them still but I've been really sick.. I've bought my 2 red tails from Harold ask him I'm a good person... Just this gall blatter crap (the incision sites are infected and i was running a 103.8 fever in the er) is getting the best of me.. I'm right now on a lap top in the hospital typing this to you.. if you want to mark me a bad person for me being sick that your business.. Sorry i havent had a computer i could get on..
 
David

until you have the cash in hand, the items in question should never be taken off the market. Its simple business. Promises do not mean anything in this herp market, payment does. The sale is contingent upon who pays you first.

When you saw no payment as promised, you should have moved on with your attempt to sell the snakes elsewhere. If she decided to contact you again, the only course of action would be payment , if you had them at that point.

Even if she wanted the animals held, , it should be for a short duration or let her shop elsewhere... You cannot afford to get wrapped up in her health related issues, nor should you. Regardless of her private health issues, payment via paypal only requires a computer and an account with paypal. JERRY
 
KNOBTAIL said:
until you have the cash in hand, the items in question should never be taken off the market. Its simple business. Promises do not mean anything in this herp market, payment does. The sale is contingent upon who pays you first.

When you saw no payment as promised, you should have moved on with your attempt to sell the snakes elsewhere. If she decided to contact you again, the only course of action would be payment , if you had them at that point.

Even if she wanted the animals held, , it should be for a short duration or let her shop elsewhere... You cannot afford to get wrapped up in her health related issues, nor should you. Regardless of her private health issues, payment via paypal only requires a computer and an account with paypal. JERRY
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Unfortunately...you are dead right Jerry. I used to give buyers the benefit of the doubt. Now, if they want the animals held I require a PayPal deposit. It's sad but necessary
 
I agree with Jerry. It's not "SOLD" until payment, or at least a deposit, is received. Especially if you really need the money or need to move the animal quickly. Your case is a pretty typical scenario with internet sales unfortunately.
 
Natalie, your health issues are beyond my control. They have nothing to do with your inability to come through with payment for the animals as you said you would.

All it takes is 2 minutes out of your time to call me (I gave you my cell #) or shoot me a PM/e-mail and let me know whats going on instead of just leaving me hanging.

Three times you promised to send payment for the snakes and three times you failed to do so.

I am no longer interested in selling you anything.
 
David, if you took the snakes off the market before she sent a deposit, or paid in full, that is on you. No deposit, no payment, the snakes should have been left up for sale. It happens all the time with internet sales. It has happened to me, so now, I require a deposit, usually Paypal, or payment in full, or the animal stays up for sale.
 
I am fully aware of that, but can you see where this whole situation would rub me the wrong way?

In today's media-driven society, there are very few excuses for lack of communication when it comes to business dealings.

I treat others how I want to be treated.....is it too much to expect that in return? I suppose so in this case.
 
DavidBeard said:
I am fully aware of that, but can you see where this whole situation would rub me the wrong way?

In today's media-driven society, there are very few excuses for lack of communication when it comes to business dealings.

I treat others how I want to be treated.....is it too much to expect that in return? I suppose so in this case.
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Aside from the payment situation.... I do not believe that you concocted some story about her asking to hold the snakes due to the weather- which she is denying she did. I think she is lying about that part. I think she was stalling for time or money and she should have just been honest and up front with you.
 
I agree with you on that one. I have had a couple other people contact me and say that she has done the exact same thing to them. Apparently this is a pattern of behavior for Natalie.
 
Bull shit i didnt ask him to hold the snake EVER.. but to ship in better weather yes i did say that.. even sent a email showing him the weter its snowing here right now as we speck i would ship a snake in this weater even if it was for a million bucks..but out right holding them for me i didn't ask him that.. i thought he was a smarter man then that to just take them off the net.. the whole time the ad was up last i knew.. i rescue snakes from homes that they are mistreated i caremore for the well being of the snake not the almighty dollar which is what im guessing he cares more for..

I have never backed out of a deal with anyone EVER.. like i said on the other for my health right now since im in the hospital is my #1 concern.. iive had a 103.8 fever and been in and out of sleep for the last 2-3 days.. i woke up today didn't even know what day it was... I cant pay for his snakes if im not awake now can I? I'm not making up some excuse but this is the resaon i havent been on here till now..
 
Charlet_2007 said:
Bull shit i didnt ask him to hold the snake EVER.. but to ship in better weather yes i did say that.. even sent a email showing him the weter its snowing here right now as we speck i would ship a snake in this weater even if it was for a million bucks..but out right holding them for me i didn't ask him that.. i thought he was a smarter man then that to just take them off the net.. the whole time the ad was up last i knew.. i rescue snakes from homes that they are mistreated i caremore for the well being of the snake not the almighty dollar which is what im guessing he cares more for..

I have never backed out of a deal with anyone EVER.. like i said on the other for my health right now since im in the hospital is my #1 concern.. iive had a 103.8 fever and been in and out of sleep for the last 2-3 days.. i woke up today didn't even know what day it was... I cant pay for his snakes if im not awake now can I? I'm not making up some excuse but this is the resaon i havent been on here till now..
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You may have already thought about it and done it, but I'll post anyway...

Since you are on the Internet right now, why don't you just Paypal the money and be done with it?:shrug01:
 
Natalie....what do you think you asked? You asked for me to HOLD THEM until the weather was more to your liking, which I said I would as long as you paid for them first.

You agreed to pay for them BEFORE your supposed health issues arose. What is your excuse for not coming through prior?
 
Charlet_2007 said:
Bull shit i didnt ask him to hold the snake EVER.. but to ship in better weather yes i did say that.. even sent a email showing him the weter its snowing here right now as we speck i would ship a snake in this weater even if it was for a million bucks..but out right holding them for me i didn't ask him that.. i thought he was a smarter man then that to just take them off the net.. the whole time the ad was up last i knew.. i rescue snakes from homes that they are mistreated i caremore for the well being of the snake not the almighty dollar which is what im guessing he cares more for..

I have never backed out of a deal with anyone EVER.. like i said on the other for my health right now since im in the hospital is my #1 concern.. iive had a 103.8 fever and been in and out of sleep for the last 2-3 days.. i woke up today didn't even know what day it was... I cant pay for his snakes if im not awake now can I? I'm not making up some excuse but this is the resaon i havent been on here till now..
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I'm sorry that you're upset, but I still don't believe you. David has never lied here before, so I don't see why he would start now with something as small as the sum of these snakes.

I'll let you get back to your little pity me party over there at the hospital.....
 
Bill,

I don't think she "lied" per se...I just think that what she asked wasn't "computed" in her mind as asking him to "hold" the animals. (I sometimes do the same thing).

If she had said, she did not any longer want the animals (she still has that right) this can be over with. I do not think that there should have been a "bad buyer" post on her at this point, because she doesn't have his animals.
 
On 11/10/08 I got a pm from Natalie asking if I still had an animal available, I pm'd her yes and gave her my number. She called me the next day asked a few questions, and she stated that she wanted it and she would call me later that evening after she talked to her husband to make payment and set up shipping. I never heard from her again.

I think I would be pretty busy if I started a problem buyer thread on every flake out there, but I just wanted to add my own personal experience with her. Congrats Natalie you made my "don't sell to list"
 
deborahbroadus said:
Bill,

I don't think she "lied" per se...I just think that what she asked wasn't "computed" in her mind as asking him to "hold" the animals. (I sometimes do the same thing).

If she had said, she did not any longer want the animals (she still has that right) this can be over with. I do not think that there should have been a "bad buyer" post on her at this point, because she doesn't have his animals.
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I take it back!

*she said she had "never" backed out on a deal.:eek:
 
i have NEVER talked to you nick stone I've seen your ads on here but have never contacted you that i know of... I see where this is going David is getting all his frinds on here lieing to make me look bad him look good.. its ok Carma comes around to people who lie.. i didn't do anything wrong.. i dont have his snakes he can still sell them to some one else.. Not my fault he took down his ad.. now the problem would be if i took the snakes and didn't pay him.. give it a rest god im to sick to care about this crap.. case closed im outtie..
 
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