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Need help dragons dieing.

Rockinar Dragonz said:
This is just terrible
! So sorry for your losses. Just throwing this out there... could you possibly be bringing something into your dragon area? Something on your clothing or body that may be toxic... perhaps from your employment?
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I don't think so I'm a supervisor at a warehouse here. I just sit and tell everyone wat to do all day.

I dont think that crickets are the issue with my dragons. I was just saying that here in cali we have been having an issue with crickets. I breed the most part of my feeders. But my ex supplier was telling me that theres something going on that a lot of the breeders here are having trouble keeping up stock.
 
I hope they find something in the necropsy. :( I know dragons can go downhill pretty fast with fatty liver (hepatic lipidosis syndrome), and it's usually not really caught until the necropsy, but I'm pretty sure they go some time without eating, and shoe some other signs of depression... :-\

Wish you the best of luck with the rest of your dragons..
 
fatty liver disease would not cause 4 dragons to just drop dead with no other signs. This sounds like a adeno positive dragon was introduced into your colony and it swept your dragons with weaker immune systems. I would contact the lab your vet is using and see if they have a way of detecting this virus via the necropsy and if they do not i would contact the owner of this site http://www.thepats.info/Home_Page.html and get the contact information of the lab that does all of their testing. Just my opinion.
 
spyder79 said:
fatty liver disease would not cause 4 dragons to just drop dead with no other signs. This sounds like a adeno positive dragon was introduced into your colony and it swept your dragons with weaker immune systems. I would contact the lab your vet is using and see if they have a way of detecting this virus via the necropsy and if they do not i would contact the owner of this site http://www.thepats.info/Home_Page.html and get the contact information of the lab that does all of their testing. Just my opinion.
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Do you happen to know how much they charge for the testing at the site you provided. I have 4 bodies and would like other vets to check them out to get different answers. I emailed them for more info but not heard from them yet.
 
Sounds like it could be cryptosporidium. I would make sure you are proactively asking your vet about it and make sure they are testing for it. Its a real nasty parasite and I do hope your beardies didnt have it. If so, discard the cages they were housed in.

Let us know the outcome and I am very sorry to hear about your losses.
 
Here is the first update available my vet did the necropsy on the 4 females all had eggs in them. And food in the stomachs. No signs of parasites that he could tell. We agreed to send out samples of each to get further tests done by a more detailed lab.
 
koiboydavid said:
Sounds like it could be cryptosporidium. I would make sure you are proactively asking your vet about it and make sure they are testing for it. Its a real nasty parasite and I do hope your beardies didnt have it. If so, discard the cages they were housed in.

Let us know the outcome and I am very sorry to hear about your losses.
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I read 6 different sites about crypto. all say that it gives a warning just like almost all other parasites. Loss of appetite, weight, not moving around as much. But none say that it kills within 24-48 hours. Neither do they say that it causes internal bleeding. I would guess that its not going to be crypto based off of what I read. None of my dragons have shown any signs of losing weight when they die they all look pretty healthy from the out side, just as if they were when running around.


At this point i'v lost so many so fast and spent so much on finding out what this is. I have lost hope that i will recover, and want to do this again in the future. It took a lot of time and energy to find all these animals. and losing them all in less then 2 weeks is not a great feeling. The docs have not gotten back yet with any sure fire ideas of what is the cause and how to fix it. The longer they take the more im loosing. just last night i lost two more in the middle of the night . As of this morning I stand on 7 total females gone, having it all be females is the only thing keeping me somewhat hopeful. That it is something only related to females, adult females at that. My younger females and males are all doing great still.
 
I know that your first 3 were from the same breeder...how about the last couple ? And it's funny that they were all gravid,did the vet mention egg-binding? But that surely wouldn't have happened to that many,unless they all had something like adeno to begin with which weakened them. Adenovirus can show symptoms similar to parasite load but they can also harbor it with no symptoms I believe.That's really too bad Armando...how sad and I really hope the others will survive.
 
angie.h said:
I know that your first 3 were from the same breeder...how about the last couple ? And it's funny that they were all gravid,did the vet mention egg-binding? But that surely wouldn't have happened to that many,unless they all had something like adeno to begin with which weakened them. Adenovirus can show symptoms similar to parasite load but they can also harbor it with no symptoms I believe.That's really too bad Armando...how sad and I really hope the others will survive.
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Yes the original three came from the same breeder. All the rest are from all over. The ones I am losing now i'v had since hatchling so I know every detail about their up bringing, and health. He didnt say that they were egg bound. It appeared as if they started to go bad in them. One had an egg popped in her, another had eggs that were really dark in color(Black) But then the last one was opened up and she had eggs but they were still small not all the way formed, and she had blood in her lungs. The weird thing is none showed signs of even being gravid none tried digging, scratching, they weren't going nuts running around everywhere. they didn't have any bulges along their body, and you could't even feel the eggs in them.

I wouldn't be surprised if these last two that passed last night have eggs as well. The other thing thats throwing me off is that their age range is from 10 months to 2 1/2 years old. Its like anything that is old enough or close enough to cycle is doing so.
 
I guess the only positive thing now is that i got a really early lesson on how to do a necropsy on a bearded dragon and what to look for. My vet knows i'm taking classes for being a vet so every now and then he lets me sit in and watch whats going on or listen. Mostly when they are my own animals though he just tells me to come in close to closing time.Depending on the severity of the injury or illness of course. So he can take the time to show me and explain to me more in detail on what we are looking for. IF I do end up losing a lot here I might just go back to class full time and dedicate my time on that.
 
Hey Armando,

Man I hate to hear this and it is puzzling to say the least. I am going to send this thread off to a couple of my vet friends to get some more thoughts.
 
koiboydavid said:
Hey Armando,

Man I hate to hear this and it is puzzling to say the least. I am going to send this thread off to a couple of my vet friends to get some more thoughts.
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That fine with me at this point I guess all we can hope for is an answer to what is going on with them. Learn from it and not let it happen again.
 
Heart4Dragonz said:
I hope they find something in the necropsy. :( I know dragons can go downhill pretty fast with fatty liver (hepatic lipidosis syndrome), and it's usually not really caught until the necropsy, but I'm pretty sure they go some time without eating, and shoe some other signs of depression... :-\

Wish you the best of luck with the rest of your dragons..
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Thank you

And I'm sorry for your loss as well i had read you just recently lost a baby dragon.
 
I am so sorry for the losses you have had to deal with. I wish I could be of some help but unfortunately I don't think there is much I can do other than offer my sympathy.
 
I don’t post on here often but have been closely following this thread. I can’t imagine loosing dragons at this rate and it would be completely crushing. I hope the necropsies and further testing can shed some light on this devastating loss. Our deepest sympathies.
Rik & Rosana
 
Armondo

Were you able to get any input from Tracie or your vet on performing a test for Adeno?
 
No,almost certainly not.Not that I've ever heard of. Plus,parasite load is usually accompanied by at least SOME symptoms of ill health. The truth is,we probably don't know all the various things that could kill reptiles...that type of veterinary research/learning hasn't been around as long as the typical dog/cat vet. Are you still awaiting lab results?
 
angie.h said:
No,almost certainly not.Not that I've ever heard of. Plus,parasite load is usually accompanied by at least SOME symptoms of ill health. The truth is,we probably don't know all the various things that could kill reptiles...that type of veterinary research/learning hasn't been around as long as the typical dog/cat vet. Are you still awaiting lab results?
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Thats what I thought.
 
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