need help on morph

[leobreeder182]

I received a male bearded dragon in a trade for a sulcata can someone please help me and give me an accurate guess on to what you think this is? If you would like more pics feel free to ask.

 

[dwedeking]

Looks like what we call a Snow dragon.

 

[MystycalJywyl]

HI, I think the pic you posted is of a hypo snow beardie! I have a juvi male that is very similar in color and that is the only color morph I know to look like that.

 

[MystycalJywyl]

HI, I think the pic you posted is of a hypo snow beardie! I have a juvi male that is very similar in color and that is the only color morph I know to look like that.

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[Seamus Haley]

Perhaps just to be a bit dissenting but there's a few of these threads lately, asking for a morph to be identified...

The picture, especially the lighting quality of the picture, is not good enough to get a really accurate idea of what the animal in question looks like. There seems to be a great deal of color bleeding, which might be causing a normal animal to look paler than it should. The fact that it's sitting on a linoleum floor, not generally the warmest place, might also cause the animal to lose some of the yellows or reds that it might otherwise have.

To the original poster... Could you get a better photo of the animal, in a place where it's obvious that it has warmed up (like while basking, real snows become their lightest under these conditions) and with better lighting?

Intending no disrespect to those who have answered already but... There's no way any of you could really be sure about the morph of this animal based on that photograph, by making a guess as some of you did, it might result in the original poster trying to sell the animal as what you claimed it was... Which it might not be. Potential problems abound.

 

[dwedeking]

Actually Seamus if you look around the eyes of the photo there is a showing of yellow. This is common in snow dragons. The darker color is representing of a snow when cold (for example on a linoleum floor). Unless your going to warm that dragon up with a blow torch your not going to get any orange or red out of it.

MystycalJywyl was also correct in calling it a hypo snow as both names are commonly used interchangeably in the industry.

Since very dragons are bred pure like you would for ball pythons there is a lot more give and take in the "morphs" in dragons and most purchases are done based on outward appearences and photos of the parents (and in discussions with other breeders we've all had some "ugly" females throw some high colored dragons.

<img src="http://www.exoticlizards.com/lizard/rocko2.jpg">

 

[MystycalJywyl]

To the person who relplied earlier (Seamus Haley) about the poor lighting and temp.....

If my advice or any other posted was intended to be "PROFFESSIONAL" the thread would have stated that fact!
In no way do I mean direspect by telling you this but I am sure the person who started this thread is just looking for some advice.....not someone who is going to make them feel inadequite and as if they know nothing about the animal they are trying to keep. If they wanted a "Proffessional" response in terms that signify they know nothing, I am sure they would consult a herp Vet..... not a classified discussion.

Thanks,
Mysty J

 

[Seamus Haley]

Daniel, I agree completely that the photograph makes it look very light and very like a snow... But I also see some color bleeding, the center of the photograph is very bright, the edges are much darker- this is common when a single flash is used indoors. You know as well as I do that lighting plays a massive role in how certain herps look, the tint, the tone, the vibrancy... A picture in natural sunlight versus one taken indoors with a flash (Camera flash, not those big hoods) leaves a massive difference in the animal's appearance. The fact that many beardie morphs are a matter of degree and genetic tendencies rather than simple dominant/recessive genes only makes it a bit more questionable.

If the original poster has a digital camera or easy access to getting photos online, it might be worth their while and get them an answer that's more reliable. Better base material = better idea of what you're looking at, not that anyone's judgement is unreliable- just that the responses can only be as accurate as the photo. If the photo is 100% accurate, then the answer is there already- if they were to return and read the responses, state "Yeah it was a bit bled out, I'll get one of it under it's basking lamp." then it might look like an entirely different lizard. Also keep in mind that the tint and tone of everyone's monitor is going to be slightly different too- just another reason that there is a possibility- however remote- for the animal to appear other than as it does in the photo.

Mystycal... Huh? Why so upset over this? I merely suggested that different lighting might result in a clearer picture, never did I state that they weren't taking care of the animal properly or didn't know about it. I don't think my response was worded in such a manner that any reasonable individual would believe they were being belittled. If you read more into it than you should have, I don't see how I can be faulted for your misunderstanding of my statements. Try slowing down and reading it a bit more carefully next time, you might not get as defensive. Just as a small aside... these classifieds have a great number of very well educated and experienced individuals, if you really wanted the opinion of a vet (Although I don't see a vet as being any more qualified to determine what morph an animal is than any experienced hobbiest or breeder. It's health, sure but it's morph? There's no training for it, especially for ones as subjectively named as many "snows") it's certainly possible to obtain such on these boards and from it's members.

 

[W.Wedeking]

As far as "Morphs" go, there is only one "proven" morph that I know of and that is the Leucistic. All of the rest are "color phases". This means that you can breed a "yellow" dragon to a "yellow" dragon and end up with yellow, orange, hypo, normal and combinations of all of the above offspring.

As far as what "color phase" of the animal in the picture, it could be what is commonly refered to as a "snow" dragon, however, it could also be a very light "normal" dragon as well. It is impossible to tell with just one fuzzy picture.

It is NOT, however, hypomelanistic as you can see a dark pattern down its back.

For OUR lines, what we refer to as a "Snow" dragon isn't just a light colored dragon. They have to be "hypomelanistic" as well. Hypomelanistic (for those who don't know) means they lack black or brown pigmentation. This means they do not have the ability to make themselve very dark when cold and have little to no pattern.

Seamus,
I agree with the flash theory. We both know from experience that using a flash with reptiles washes them out completely. Perhaps we can persuede the original poster to take some better pictures and come to a consensus on what "phase" it would be.

 

[leobreeder182]

thanks!!!

Well actualy the only reason the pic is like that is because, as you can see it had been snapped with a web cam, and I have a digital camera, but the pictures size was much to big, so I could not post it on here and if you can please email me and I will send you a much much better pic. See I am breeding him, and I was hoping to get an accurate guess, and many of you might have been correct but, I will send you a better pic so please get back as soon as possible. Thank you.


From:Brent Allen email [email protected] AIM albinoleodotcom

 

[W.Wedeking]

Here is one of the pictures I resized for Brent.

 

[W.Wedeking]

And here would be the other one.

 

[leobreeder182]

yes

So do you have an idea of what this morph would be because I no it's much more then normal, as you can see on it's eyes, there is several different bright colors.

 

[W.Wedeking]

Not to be nit-picky, but the term "morph" is generally used with something that is proven to be a genetic trait, otherwise the term is "phase". Since there are no proven genetic morphs in dragons with the exception of Leucistic (and there are still those who debate that) we are looking at a color phase.

You said you got this guy in a trade. Did the previous owner breed him or does the previous owner know where/what lines he came from?

He is a nice looking boy. I am a sucker for those lavender sidebars myself

He is a nice light dragon. If the lighting is the photo is accurate, I would say he was probably a snow crossed with another color phase. He looks like he has some peach/orange highlighting on his legs and tail.

 

[leobreeder182]

THANKS AGAIn

Well the previous owner did not no for sure, she did not breed him, he was a rescue, I think, so hopefully he is what you think, because I want to be sure, when I mate him, I am going to be a first timer, so you no, but thanks again.

 

[W.Wedeking]

Well, since you don't know where he came from, there is no way to be certain about his herritage. I would just be upfront about it and tell people. Show them a pic, it pretty much speaks for itself, them just describe what color he is. He is a beautiful dragon. Good luck

 

[Mark and Aimee]

I'd call it a normal dragon. All day long.

 

[W.Wedeking]

Here is a picture of a "normal" phase dragon.