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scotty, how is it that you FINALLY come out of the woodwork and post now? I don't buy that stuff about the "vulgarity" bothering you. I've seen your posts in The Reptile Room and you're right in there with ralphy and bobbyl.

How is it that you're the lone flame still burning for timmy?

Did you figure this thread is soooooooo long that no one is going to go back and read what you had to say? You may be right but, where did you all of a sudden get credibility?

You are NOT trying to say that timmy did NOT inject the snake he sent to Matt with ALL THAT FLUID are you? There is NO doubt that timmy did indeed do that. There is no doubt that Matt paid up front for that animal, and the fact that it was not timmy's usual policy is an issue I won't even touch right now, and that IT DID TEST POSITIVE for the virus it died of.

Sure, you got jim, he's actually fairly easy to rile, no offence jim, and once he gets mad he says things he doesn't mean. I think after his little tantrum, after if I recall correctly timmy tried to send bobby to jim's house to TAKE the snake WITHOUT jim's permission, that it was all of 4 or maybe 5 days, possibly less, before jim said here that he was not serious and appologized for his anger and stupid words.

Why don't you did that post out and put it in quotes? HMMMMMMMMMM?????

Out of curiousity, just why are you so steadfastly backing timmy? You know without doubt that he did what Matt says he did, Matt's posted the proof. I'm really curious what you are getting out of this.

We know timmy has lied about this, bobby rips off kids for 20.00 dollar snakes and lies to everyone about everything, ralph if he's even a member here any longer is not exactly the nicest guy in the book and then there's you. You tend to use partial truths to say things that aren't true. You back up known liars and scammers. You've been caught here and in TRR lying about this issue.

So. what are you here for? Just to play devil's advocate as you used to be so fond of? Or just to play devil's plaything? Or are you getting something from timmy? Or maybe bobby or ralphy.

Why do you keep stirring the pot and adding the nonsense that you do?

Why can't timmy speak for himself? He has managed to be QUITE creative on other sites, his photo shop skills are classless but he has them. Ahhhhhhh, perhaps he has some photos of you that he has "FIXED" up like the ones he had of Matt and you're just trying to make sure they never get out. Or maybe they weren't "FIXED" at all and you're trying to make sure they don't get out.

I just don't get it. You HAVE to know timmy is bad. Why do you keep trying to make him look like the good guy/victim?

Please explain.

Wes Pollock
 
Darin Chappell said:
Scott,

Just as soon as Tim is willing to come here and explain why he shipped that animal in the condition it was, after having given it sub-Q injections to hydrate it ...

I'm willing to listen.

'Till then, it's just a bunch of noise.


The above is a PERFECT example of you manipulating things people say.

It reads VERY different if you have ALL the words instead of just a few.

Bad move scotty.

Wes Pollock
 
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scotty, how is it that you FINALLY come out of the woodwork and post now? I don't buy that stuff about the "vulgarity" bothering you. I've seen your posts in The Reptile Room and you're right in there with ralphy and bobbyl.
doesn't bother me one bit.. but.. its against the rules in this forum and I respect Rich's rules.

How is it that you're the lone flame still burning for timmy?

Did you figure this thread is soooooooo long that no one is going to go back and read what you had to say? You may be right but, where did you all of a sudden get credibility?

go to page 73.. prove me wrong...

Sure, you got jim, he's actually fairly easy to rile, no offence jim, and once he gets mad he says things he doesn't mean. I think after his little tantrum, after if I recall correctly timmy tried to send bobby to jim's house to TAKE the snake WITHOUT jim's permission, that it was all of 4 or maybe 5 days, possibly less, before jim said here that he was not serious and appologized for his anger and stupid words.

Why don't you did that post out and put it in quotes? HMMMMMMMMMM?????

I also did not quote where the original deal stated that Jim was supposed to help finish off his basement as part of the payment. Jim did not do that either

Out of curiousity, just why are you so steadfastly backing timmy? You know without doubt that he did what Matt says he did, Matt's posted the proof. I'm really curious what you are getting out of this.

We know timmy has lied about this, bobby rips off kids for 20.00 dollar snakes and lies to everyone about everything, ralph if he's even a member here any longer is not exactly the nicest guy in the book and then there's you. You tend to use partial truths to say things that aren't true. You back up known liars and scammers. You've been caught here and in TRR lying about this issue.


So. what are you here for? Just to play devil's advocate as you used to be so fond of? Or just to play devil's plaything? Or are you getting something from timmy? Or maybe bobby or ralphy.

Why do you keep stirring the pot and adding the nonsense that you do?
hard to stir a pot that I don't post in for months. Again.. my post was directed towards Jims situation. We can talk about the other situation if you like.. but.. thats just going to go round and round accomplishing nothing.

I have already explained why I stand by what I believe has happened.
 
Scott,

This thread is about Matt's problem with Mr. Bowels and not about Jim. By posting about Jim on it you are not following the rules yourself.
 
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Scott,

This thread is about Matt's problem with Mr. Bowels and not about Jim. By posting about Jim on it you are not following the rules yourself.

I was responding to a topic that is part of this discussion. I apologize if it is considered violating the rules. If so.. please delete the comments.
 
Here's all of page 73. It shows that jim is hotheaded and that timmy and bobby work closely together.

timmy rips off matt and sends him a paramyxo infected snake.

bobby rips off kids for $20.00 dollar snakes.

These two are your friends scotty.

Count them- One bad guy, two bad guys, three bad guys....

timmy, bobby and scotty, three bad guys

Tim's lawyer
Who, in their right mind, would even represent Tim? I find it very hard to believe that he has an attorney in this matter. It's not too hard to find someone to write a threatening letter, with enough legalese to seem legitimate.


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Thanks everyone for your support. Let me throw this in as well.

And be for warned get a cup of coffe because you will be here a bit. ( Long post with all e-mails )

I got sick and tired of Bobby's crap and Tim telling me what to do on this matter and I e-mailed Tim and told Tim that I did not have the snake anymore because Bobby picked it up and then 2 days later told him I still had it and then threatened to stuff it with such a big rat that it would puke every time tim sneezed. I would never do this but told this to tim because I was sick of him and bobby's demands.

That is when Tim said he would not take it back.

I called Tim yesterday and told him I was just going to end it and payfor it after I recieved a e-mail from his 5 dollar lawer here is what he said. You would have to flip the email around this is his responce to my e-mail back to him

Mr. Scharphorn:

I'd be happy to talk with your legal counsel and am obligated to do so now
that you have advised me that you are represented. Please forward this
message to your attorney and ask him/her to contact me. Please also provide
me with your attorney's contact information. Unless you advise that you are
no longer represented by counsel I can not communicate with you further,
other than to serve you with a summons.

Tim will not credit you for return of the snake. As we discussed, you have
now had the snake for more than a month, you have threatened to harm it, you
have repeatedly been dishonest and reneged on your agreements and you have
sick snakes in your collection. Under the circumstances, I don't know a
reputable breeder who would accept the snake back. Tim will not credit a
return of the snake and, in any event, is unavailable on Tuesday to receive
shipments.

Given your stated intent to, once again, go back on your word, I have
advised Tim to move forward with filing a lawsuit against you.

-Brett Nelson


-----Original Message-----
From: coolcritters [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:15 AM
To: Brett
Subject: Re: Tim Bowles


Brett, I have talked to legal council and I do not have to pay for the
snake. I am sending the snake back to Tim on Monday for a tuesday revieve.
you may want to make sure that he is aware of this and is available to
recieve the snake on tuesday.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn


I then e-mailed Tim and asked for a invoice or a bill from Arboreals of the rainforst for the snake in question and Tim e-mailed me back saying that he could not talk to me and everything had to go threw his lawer. so I emailed back telling him that to have his lawer send me a bill and I would hold off on sending payment till I recieved the bill.

here is all the e-mails between me and tim. except for the very first one or two. for some reason all my e-mails from corrallus are gone but lucky enough Tim posted some of them from his side of the fence.


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At the moment I do not have a pot to piss in.LOL ( not funny )

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If you can put down a small deposit, I will wait.


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I would like to have her but after buying the pair of basins I am tapped, and do not see any funds till around the end of aug.

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Hey Jim,
I have no idea what she weighs. I only have micro scales for neos. Nothing that goes that heavy.

She will most likely breed this fall but the next for sure. I wouldnt hesitate trying her this season.

It's amazing how many folks want everything that I am not selling. I have been bombarded with emails asking for things on my site.

If you want her give me yell. I will saver her for you.


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Tim, any offers yet on the female ? how much does she weigh do you know ? I remember her but cant remember how big she is. I am starting to shop for a female to breed this fall to my male.


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and then there was a few e-mails inbetween him saying when he would ship if he could, and me asking if he did.






----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Hey Tim, Just checking again on the eye spot female.
I am getting her from you with the intentions of breeder her this winter.
And I want to make sure that she is eating bi- weekly for you and has not ever regurged and that she is in perfect condition. And how does she feed ? and what size meal ? Are you feeding live/thawed/ heated/ fresh kill/ anything and everything will help.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com
----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Yes Jim she is in perfect shape. Never a regurge issue, snotty nose or runny poop.
She eats bi weekly on ft small to med rats off tongs.
Never a single health problem.
If the cath lab is willing and lets me off in time I should be able to ship on Monday for a Tuesday delivery.
I will be leaving for a few weeks on Wednesday so I will out of touch for a while. Going on a Vaca with the family and friends.
Tim
----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Cool, Are you soaking the rat in hot water before offering it to her ? And have fun on vacation. Can we come. LOL
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Yes I am soaking the rats.. That's how I thaw them out. I put them in a pan and run hot water on them until they are thawed.
Wanna go fishing to Minnesota with me? We would love the company.
Tim


Jim Scharphorn

From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Tim, She got here in aparent good shape. She is definitly not ready to breed this year she only weighs 700 grams. Now I got to find a diffrent one that is ready to breed this year.

And please quit telling people to not sell to me, Its not fare for you top talk behind my back about me. if you want to talk bad about me do it in public so I can atleast defend my self.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


What are you talking about Jim?

I am glad she arrived fine for you.

She is ready to feed, so let her have it.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Matt, Called me when he found out that you were selling me that female and wanted to know why you would tell him not to sell to me but then you would sell to me. And ralph mentioned something about my pukers that you told him about.
That still does not change the fact that this female is not big enough to breed this year, You knew I was intersted and stated that I wanted her to breed this year and you said that she would. she needs about another 500 grams to go and there is no way I can get her to gain that much weight.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


Plane and simple Matt is full of chit and just pissed off at me. I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth for love nor money.
But that's your choice to do so or not.

Don't underestimate a good feeding regime Jim. She can add enough to surprise you. She is of age so feed her well and see what you can pull off.

Tim


Now this was all in about the first week. Then Tim went on vacation for 2 weeks.

Jim,
Go back and review the pm's from corallus.com.
I am still waiting for your reply.
Tim

From: BasinsRus
To: Jim Scharphorn
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:07 PM
Subject: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?



Jim,
Go back and review the pm's from corallus.com.
I am still waiting for your reply.
Tim

From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Get a life, You knew I wanted a female to breed this year you told me she should go but for sure next year but I would not hesitate this year.That tells me that she should breed this year) she is not even close. Then you say that I held her and knew what she looked like. I never touched anything of yours not even your atb when you pulled it out. why don't you just go cry to someone else I am sure you are allready telling stories to anyone that will listen to you. she only weighs 700 grams there is no way I can put 500 grams on her this year, you knew damn well I wanted a female to breed. I am going to have her tested for the virus until then I am not giving you crap for her. You pissed me off for talking [bleep] behind my back, so go away.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com
----- Original Message -----

From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Simply put you are a liar Jim. You saw and held her and knew up front.
Test her and you will see she is clean. Then you will be eating your words.
Does theft come to mind?
C ya soon Jimbo.


From: BasinsRus
To: Jim Scharphorn
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:11 PM
Subject: Fw: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?



Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432

You have 1 week to pay in full the amount of $600.00 or relinquish the animal to Bobby Pruett in person or charges of theft will be filed on your person.

Have a good day.

Tim Bowles

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Sorry Bobby showed up last night and took it allready.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432
As of 10:30 am on Sunday the 17th Bobby Pruett has not received this animal as he is still in Indiana and I am on the phone with him now.
Your attempt at deception on strengthens my case of theft on you and theft by deception is a felony in Ohio.
You now have 6 days to comply.
Thank you and have a good day.
Tim Bowles

From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Don't know what to tell you, except Bobby has allready picked the animal up. I cannot give you again what I do not have. Maybe Bobby is now the scammer, Like you were to Matt but in a diffrent way, As you see I guess Freinds turn on freinds. I gave the animal up talk to Bobby that came and got it.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com
----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?



Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432

You now have 5 days in which to return this animal.

In your next email to me dated and pasted below you still have the animal in question.

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: Eyespot female


You gave me till the end of august to pay, seeing you changed the deal, you can come and get it. do not bring anyone else but family I do not trust you or any of your freinds. . To your words I have 5 days to turn it over, I will consider it abandon if it is still here after 5 days. got it.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com

Your lies and deception are getting you in deep trouble Jim. Bobby Pruett has my authority to collect this animal or the money by the date stated in this email.

You stated in this email pasted, dated and marked in bold that you were changing the deal, not I.

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Get a life, You knew I wanted a female to breed this year you told me she should go but for sure next year but I would not hesitate this year.That tells me that she should breed this year) she is not even close. Then you say that I held her and knew what she looked like. I never touched anything of yours not even your atb when you pulled it out. why don't you just go cry to someone else I am sure you are allready telling stories to anyone that will listen to you. she only weighs 700 grams there is no way I can put 500 grams on her this year, you knew damn well I wanted a female to breed. I am going to have her tested for the virus until then I am not giving you crap for her. You pissed me off for talking [bleep] behind my back, so go away.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


Further more, Bobby Pruett has all legal rights to collect this animal for me and has contacted you on several occasions to do so. Cell phone records will prove that you contacted him as well. Your refusal to comply only serves to further strengthen my case of theft by deception against you.

Have a nice day.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Yup, you now have 5 days to pick it up yourself or consider it abandon.you must make arrangments of day and Time I will not go for you to just show up at my door. no ifs and or buts. I am not at your becon call, you want it you make a time to pick it up.5 days ends friday night. I will give you half a chance and give you till sunday night before 8PM.8/24/2003 after that it is gone.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com


----- Original Message -----
From: BasinsRus
To: coolcritters
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Jim Scharphorn
12390 136th Ave.
Grand Haven, MI 49417
616-850-0432

You now have 5 days in which to return this animal or make the full payment.

Have nice day.
Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: coolcritters
To: BasinsRus
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Still waiting for your answer Jimbo?


Yup you got 5 days to pick it up or you can kiss my ass. you will not get this snake any other way so give it up, looser boy. You will not get it without making prior arrangments also. If you do not knock your [bleep] off I will stuff this [bleep]er with such a big rat that it will puke it up every time you sneeze. Now take that to the bank and sent it to your buddy ralph and bobby.
Thank you,
Jim Scharphorn

And this was the last e-mail from Tim till the lawer got involved

In light of your threat to inflict harm on this animal you now 4 days in which to pay in full.

Have a nice day.
Tim


I hope that you will now give your opinions about this matter, and make them good please because i am probably going to stick with the majority or your replies and hope for the best.


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Hey Jim.If you like the snake
and want to keep it,you should
stop beating around the bush
and take the snake to a vet,draw
the necessary sample, and send it off to test for the paramyxo
virus.Playing deceptive games
with someone like Tim,"who has
already proved how deceptive
he is,"is a total waste of
time, and makes you look bad.
Honestly tell Tim that due to recent events, it has become
necessary to have the snake
checked for the deadly virus
and if it's clean, you will
pay for it as soon as you get the results,minus the cost for the test. If you don't want
to keep the snake,I personally
would still get it tested, but that's up to you,send it back
and be done with it.I wouldn't
worry about Tim's threat's
because he is the one that is misrepresenting the animals that he is sending out.In Matt's case
I would even call it criminal
behavior.For him to threaten to sue you is interesting in itself
because of the way he has acted with Matt.Cowardly fool would describe it better.However Matt
can take care of himself.His case is open and shut.
However you situatiom is a little different, and your deceptive emails are not in your best interest.Bottom line is
if you plan to keep it get it tested and then pay or don't pay
depending on the result.If you don't want it,send it back, and then be done with it.That's why
I recommend testing the snake
either way.Tim's behavior is what makes this necessary, his
willingness to send out sick animals.Test it, and then act
accordingly.Tell Tim honestly
what you plan to do, then do it.
Ignore his threats until it's done,then do what is necessary.
I recommended this course a long time ago, and you still are still goofing around with this.Make a decision, use your head,and do what's right.It's really not that hard!



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I find it interesting that a lawyer would say this:



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Wow, tim was lucky enough to find a lawyer who knows a lot of reputable breeders?

Or is his "lawyer" just one of his friends posing as a lawyer.


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Good observation Sasheena.
I'm betting it's a friend posing as a lawyer.

Jim,
Ask Tim's "lawyer" for his office address and phone # so your lawyer can get in touch with him. Is it common practice for a lawyer to carry on conversation with the person being sued over email??? Is Susan Smith his paralegal?

I would get that animal tested ASAP! If the snake comes back positive for the virus that would kill any case that Tim has. The longer you wait to have it tested, the easier it will be for Tim to claim that the animal contracted the virus in your collection.


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sorry it was so long a post but it seem that scotty IS depending on the length of this thread to cover up timmy's bad guy status and the fact that scotty is now THE ONLY one backing him. Even bobby and ralphy bailed.

Wes Pollock
 
I am not 100% sure.. but.. I believe if you read back through the posts.. he stopped posting when Matt brought up legal actions. Tim's legal counsel advised him to no longer publically post what information he has on this case Matt decides to still pursue a lawsuit in Ohio. While it is not fun for the discussion here... its does make sense.

I really challenge you to quote (or just give me a page number) of a SINGLE POST BY TIM where he acts like a mature adult and answers the primary questions posed to him, because although this is a hefty thread, I can't recall a single one where he actually acts like an adult, or even acts like a screaming baby answering the question about hte Sub-Q fluids. He never EVER responded to the original questions at ANY point in this thread. I guess that is part of what makes him so .... slimy... and anyone with the eloquence, intelligence, and education that you so obviously possess Scott, who continues to side with him must be one who enjoys, condones, and perhaps even practices such nefarious behaviour as well. I have seen NOTHING that would show Tim in a good light. Heck, even if incontrovertible proof were brought to bear that Matt had a stuffed animal tested for Paramyxo and it came up positive, that would STILL not change my opinion of Tim, because he has already branded himself and there is nothing that will change that.

My opinion anyway.
 
Been away for awhile......

Boy what a difference 10 days makes! Too bad all of the problems that arise in this business can't be resolved in a decent manner. By the way Sasheena, love the SIG!
 
Matt,

Is there any update to this matter? You keep adding to it with nothing really to say. Have you filed suit in Tim's state? If you mentioned it earlier, I apologize for missing it, but all I ever see is rehashing of the same old information.
 
Hey Melissa,

Actually there is really no update to the matter of me getting a refund for the snake I bought from him that subsequently died :( .

At this point, I have not filed a lawsuit against him in the state of ohio.

In my previous post though I was referring to all of the posting done in the previous 10 days, but I think some have been bothered so much by certain individuals actions they may feel the need to speak out on occasion. That is something that I personally have no control over.
 
The remainder of this thread has been moved into HELL, since it has apparently become a personal pissing duel between two parties. This thread is now closed unless and until someone wishes to add information that is on topic and pertinent to the original subject matter.

Otherwise, you are welcome to continue your feud in the forum where it belongs.
 
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