Need opinions on a bad deal with Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest!!!

[ScottsReptiles]

hmm.. from reading the posts earlier in this thread... to me.. it sounds like you waived Tim's TOS by accepting the sale of the animal to you. So... that means you bought it as is.

 

[MSRHINOVIPER]

Matt how is the snake doing today? Did you have to put her down this morning or are you still waiting o see how things go with her? I am really sorry you are having to go through all this. But it would be nice to see what Tim has to say. I dont guess we will ever hear what he has to say about all this. Since he is taking a trip. Must be nice to have the money to go. Well good luck with everything.
Take care

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Thanks for the opinion Scott but would you feel that if Tim sent an e-mail AFTER the animal arrived saying I also agreed to give him my house that he is telling the truth? I guess whatever Tim says in his e-mails is fact huh.

 

[gila7150]

My statement didn't reflect what I was actually trying to say. I didn't mean to imply that there was no guarantee because of the shipping method. I meant that there was no guarantee on the shipping (live arrival), not the health of the snake.
By the mistake in retrospect, I meant that if you had agreed to Tim's shipping method, he wouldn't have any excuse to weasel his way out of this (as ridiculous as the whole UPS excuse is).
Of course, you would have no way of knowing he would stoop to something so low, so you went with the shipping service you were familiar with.

If I sounded like I was siding with Tim in my last post....I wasn't.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

No problem Chris

Hey April,

I was going to put her down this morning but just couldn't do it! She is at the vets and they will do whatever they can for her but it looks very bleek. She was and still is one of my favorite snakes and I am sick about what has happened to her. What sickens me more is that someone can ship her out like that knowing it would make things worse for her. It's funny, I have all the trust in the world with UPS and have never had a problem. If Tim was fearful that something would happen to her...he should have never shipped her UPS. This also tells me that once he got his money, he didn't care what happened to her!

 

[ScottsReptiles]

Thanks for the opinion Scott but would you feel that if Tim sent an e-mail AFTER the animal arrived saying I also agreed to give him my house that he is telling the truth? I guess whatever Tim says in his e-mails is fact huh.

Wow.. this post is completely pointless. You agreed to the waive his TOS, there is written (email) proof of this, correct?

You are using quotes from emails in your posts here. Do your emails have more validity then Tim's? Or.. according to your most recent comment, all email documentation is now void and has no relevance in this discussion.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Wow.. this post is completely pointless. You agreed to the waive his TOS, there is written (email) proof of this, correct?

Sorry Scott but that is incorrect.

After talking to Tim the evening that I received the snake and him telling me to basically stuff it he is not giving my money back, I e-mailed him and told him I was returning the snake the next day. Sometime the next morning he e-mailed me saying whatever it was he said and stated that I agreed to it all. Now.....he can say all he wants in his e-mail but it doesn't mean that if he said I agreed to something that I actually did. Get it.....if I sent you an e-mail saying 'Scott as per our phone conversation you agreed to give me your pet shop so give it to me' would you? Or would you say I was full of it and you never agreed to it. Same scenerio ok?

As far as my e-mails and Tims....none of them contained any conversation about our deal. In my opinion Tims e-mail was an attempt to cover his butt after he figuered out I knew what happened to the snake prior to shipping.

Thanks for your opinion though it's interesting

 

[ScottsReptiles]

Well... then if the details of this 'private conversation' are to remain private (hence the reason I don't like doing any transaction over the phone).. this is a he said/she said. While Tim's wife was an observer on the conversation and could verify what was said, she is not an unrelated third party. I believe Tim is saying the TOS has been waived by purchasing the snake (I could be wrong... its a long thread and I could be misunderstanding it) via a private phone conversation. You are saying that this was never mentioned. See the problem here.. there is evidence of a currently unhealthy.. and both parties standing by different stories of a private conversation.

You can say Tim injected the snakes, Tim can say you did or that the injuries were due to poor shipping practices.. but.. without knowing exactly what was said....

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

You can say Tim injected the snakes, Tim can say you did or that the injuries were due to poor shipping practices.. but.. without knowing exactly what was said....

Well if I am admitting that there was an agreement that Tim was not responsible if anything happened to the animal during shipping isn't that good enough? That is the truth and there was nothing more.

Hey you are in Colombus aren't you and you are friends with Tim. I am glad to see that Tim has a friend as good as you that is standing by him! I like your looking after him and I would be proud to have a buddy like you!

 

[ScottsReptiles]

Well if I am admitting that there was an agreement that Tim was not responsible if anything happened to the animal during shipping isn't that good enough? That is the truth and there was nothing more.

Hey you are in Colombus aren't you and you are friends with Tim. I am glad to see that Tim has a friend as good as you that is standing by him! I like your looking after him and I would be proud to have a buddy like you!

I am in Columbus but I am not posting these comments for Tim (I haven't spoken to him about this). I just like looking at both sides of interesting problems. But I will admit.. that I seem to look harder for friends

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

But I will admit.. that I seem to look harder for friends

Hey No offense that's what good friends are for! You are suppose to support them.

 

[Randy Bennett]

Sick new locality

Hey everybody.This discussion is getting downright silly.If I buy a snake for $2500, I expect that snake to be perfect in every way.Not on death's door, pumped full of fluids,depressed rostral
scales, flacid body,dying as we speak.Anybody that knows anything about snakes knows that this did not happen overnight.Just put yourself in Matt's place.How would YOU feel
if someone sent YOU something like that!This snake was not
purchased as a rehab case.For $25 maybe, not $2500.Just look at the photos of this animal.Tim knew exactly what he was doing
when he sent this poor animal
out.Look at the photos, read Tim's pathetic response, and put
yourself in Matt's shoes.I think
he has shown a great deal of restraint in his posts.Tim even has the nerve to post other snakes for sale as we speak.Would YOU buy a reptile from this person.A $3000 amazon
basin at that!Hopefully, after
this blatant rip off, Tim won't be able to sell his owm plasma,
much less a high end reptile.Go look at the thread about Joe P
and Tim Bowles.Listen to Tim
whine and whimper.Yet he doesn't
have the balls to come on here.
That's because he's pulled a
rippoff and he know's it.Unfortunately, it's the poor snake that is the one that
really is the victim in this
sickening fraud.Animal cruelty
is not a pretty sight, and this
is the worst thing I have ever seen on this BOI.It's really sad.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Matt,

Thanks for posting those names of the people with whom you spoke about this issue. I appreciate it, and I am looking forward to seeing the vet reports when they are available.


Tim,

You have held a good reputation here for some time. I would really hate to see this lost over a misunderstanding, but if there is no misunderstanding, you can help yourself best by coming clean as soon as possible. You've been around the BOI long enough to know how it works! Did you (or did someone on your behalf) inject that snake with sub-Q fluids? If so, why? Please answer these simple questions, Tim. Otherwise, I'm afraid your name will suffer proportionally.

Scott,

Assuming for the sake of argument that your take on the whole "a violation of TOS disrupts all gurantees" is the correct one, let me ask you this, How did that snake get in the long-term bad shape BEFORE it got shipped to Matt? The sub-Q injections were done for a reason . . .why did Tim ever let her get so bad, and why did he sell her to ANYONE??? Now, the TOS violation would be a valid point if Tim had not been in agreement with continuing the transaction despite the violation of his TOS. He remedied the violation by refusing to guarantee the shipping or the results thereof. Fine. However, that snake did not suffer those difficiencies due to a shipping that worked flawlessly.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Hey Darin,

Thanks for posting those names of the people with whom you spoke about this issue. I appreciate it, and I am looking forward to seeing the vet reports when they are available.

These are just the people that saw the pics and discussed with me their professional opinions. There is a long list of people that have been made aware of the situation including the ones on this forum! I have had a lot of private e-mails and calls of support and I would like to thank everyone! There is plenty of support for me but what I like more is all of the concern for the snake! I will post the vet report as soon as I get it.

 

[cka]

I think the biggest tragedy here is that snake...It's pretty f****n' low to use an animal in such a manner...Money is money and although $2500 isn't pocket change it's still just money...That animals value to it's world is far beyond what we place on it...to use it as a scam or an object of revenge is pretty damn gutless...Wow, what a world...

 

[Tom Burns]

hmm.. from reading the posts earlier in this thread... to me.. it sounds like you waived Tim's TOS by accepting the sale of the animal to you. So... that means you bought it as is.

Wow! A bit of a stretch don't you think? By this standard it would always be ok to misrepresent and sell bad animals as long as you can get the customer to waive your TOS by 'any means necessary'. Are these the types of sales pitches you like to document in your e-mails? As long as it looks good on paper? CYA?

Tom Burns

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Preliminary Vet Report

I have been asked by a few of you to post a vet report of the female "New Locale" Emerald tree Boa that I bought from Tim Bowles of Arboreals Of The Rainforest. The animal was suppose to have no problems at all and I paid $2,500.00 for her...UP-FRONT. I agreed to have her shipped UPS as long as Tim was not responsible if anything happened to her as a result of shipping. This is how she looked when I got her.

This is what she looked like two days ago

This is the Vet Report (I have left out the contact information because of potential harrassment from involved parties. When the time comes the vets contact info will be released).

Thanks again for all of the support!

 

[Awesome Arborea]

Criminal act.

Well said Randy B. There is no contraversy here. It's 100% straight forward. Incredibly bad deal and judgement by Tim. I too, hate to see you going down this road Tim. I've always considered you a good guy. You should really do the right thing here and put this to rest.
'
Tony Nicoli
Awesome Arboreals
http://www.boas.net

 

[Darin Chappell]

Well, THAT was fairly definitive! What say you, Tim?



Matt,

Thanks again for the post. How is the snake progressing? Please keep us posted.

 

[HerpVenue]

SLike others were saying....
By shipping UPS.....you waived his TOS.
Which means he can ship you an OBVIOUSLY sick snake.....misrepresent it....and your SOL.

Actually it is not his fault.
It is not your fault either.

The reason he did not want to use UPS is because he knew that UPS would open the box and shoot the snake up with all that liquid sh!t. And then let it proceed to your place.



ps. the above is me being sarcastic.


I do not know who posted it........But someone said Matt waived the TOS by picking the shipping company.

If this is acceptable in your mind.........
Then please order some live ball pythons from me.....then pick the shipping company YOU want to ship with.
I will then go to my freezer and get some ball pythons from last year and ship it to you........
Then you can't hold me responsible......because by not shipping with the company I prefer.....you then waive your rights to my TOS


ps more sarcasm.