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Info Need some advice on a situation involving Alea Rodriguez.

You want to solve this

Ship ALL the snakes (yes it can be done), that also includes the one she told you that you could keep, cut all ties and be done.

Life is too short for high school drama, the longer you keep the animals regardless of the reason (too cold (according to you), no enclosure etc) the longer this non sense will continue and you will only be able to blame yourself for that.

Food for the thought this type of situation would not happen between real friends or mature individuals.
 
Elexis, I highly suggest you read posts more carefully. Mario wasn't referring to you with temporary caging, he was referring to Alea. You have misquoted or plainly misunderstood at least three posts so far (including my previous post).

You are adding to the drama by continually trying to get the last word. Please leave the computer, take a breather, and come back later when you are thinking (and reading) more clearly. The consensus is to return the snakes when you feel safe doing so. Now the only true debate point is what you are owed, if anything. I personally do not believe you are owed anything, as that was not part of the initial agreement. Considering the bad blood between you two, I would simply wash my hands of it, charge for feeders from here on out, and be relieved when the snakes are finally off my hands come spring.

What will you do if she refuses to pay for the feeders until now, as that wasn't part of the initial agreement? Hold the snakes hostage? Can you see how this is a slippery slope? Did she take advantage of you? Yes. Did you allow yourself to be taken advantage of? Yes. Learn from it, learn to make more clear agreements (even among friends) in the future. Charge for feeders from here out and return the snakes as soon as temperatures allow. That's the most reasonable solution out of this. The rest is nothing but unnecessary drama.
 
In case there are people unaware, SYR strongly advises against shipping animals below 32 degrees F and voids any live arrival insurance if you do. This is because of failure rates during testing in the more commonly used heat packs in temperatures below 32 degrees F. It would take only a singular delay at a HUB or in transit on the wrong day for something unfortunate to happen.

I am not sure about RE's stance on it.

Everything else aside, I would not suggest shipping below the suggested threshold as the loss of animals will fall solely on the shipper and exacerbate an already volatile situation.

HUB to HUB or Delta Dash are the safest methods if shiping does proceed in such cold temperatures, however.
 
Honestly ship Alea her snakes back as soon as the weather breaks. That way you can both walk away dognified from a thread that will be permanent and casting you both in a terrible light. Also guys remember quoting and posting cussing gets you infractions.

Both of you need to take a chill pill both of you are acting like 4 year olds. I love Alea to death but enough is enough. Ship the snakes, and be done with the situation.
 
snowgyre said:
Elexis, I highly suggest you read posts more carefully. Mario wasn't referring to you with temporary caging, he was referring to Alea. You have misquoted or plainly misunderstood at least three posts so far (including my previous post).

You are adding to the drama by continually trying to get the last word. Please leave the computer, take a breather, and come back later when you are thinking (and reading) more clearly. The consensus is to return the snakes when you feel safe doing so. Now the only true debate point is what you are owed, if anything. I personally do not believe you are owed anything, as that was not part of the initial agreement. Considering the bad blood between you two, I would simply wash my hands of it, charge for feeders from here on out, and be relieved when the snakes are finally off my hands come spring.

What will you do if she refuses to pay for the feeders until now, as that wasn't part of the initial agreement? Hold the snakes hostage? Can you see how this is a slippery slope? Did she take advantage of you? Yes. Did you allow yourself to be taken advantage of? Yes. Learn from it, learn to make more clear agreements (even among friends) in the future. Charge for feeders from here out and return the snakes as soon as temperatures allow. That's the most reasonable solution out of this. The rest is nothing but unnecessary drama.
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You say I'm not reading or thinking clearly, I clearly stated I don't want payment for the PAST, but from here on out several times. And No I didn't misquote him when he said it appears I'm trying to justify keeping them. Maybe you need to reread.
 
Bobby Douglass said:
The more you post the worse you look. Do yourself a favor and take a break from the situation.
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I really don't care. Apparently it's ok to trash talk someone, threaten them, like, etc but the person looking for advice and some compensation from this point forward after all of it is then one in the wrong. You guys don't seem to get what I'm saying, or just want to side against me. Whatever. She abandoned her snakes, especially when she REFUSED TO TAKE BACK THE ONES SHE HAD CAGING FOR AND FILLED THEM WITH NEW ANIMALS INSTEAD OF GETTING HER ANIMALS BACK! But yea she cares about them soo much to leave them when she has the chance to get them back. Yeah I'm the bad guy...
 
Elexis this is a PERMANENT sight. This will always be here forever acting this way will always be a deragatory view if you ever decide to breed, sell or buy. I realize you came here for advice but don't go postal on those giving hou sound advice and think everyone is out to get you when clearly the best thing that can be done is to just ship the snakes when the weather breaks and walk a2ay from the entire thing. Regardless, you agreed to keep the snakes for free, and because Alea acted out you decided on compensation after the fact. That in this community is going against your word. Sure Alea could have been more mature than what has happened, but so can you. The best thing to do at this time is to step away from this sight, cool your head, before your reputation here is black listed.
 
Elexis, you posted here asking for opinions on how to proceed. We gave you those opinions and a valid way to back out of a nasty friendship breakup. It appears you were not actually interested in our opinions at all, but hoping to find sympathy and agreement with your own stance on the situation.

Your responses are becoming very immature. We agreed with you that Alea behaved inappropriately, but you are making matters far worse at this point. Take the high road and listen to the advice that's been given before you find yourself being placed on many do-not-buy-or-sell-from lists due to your own behavior.
 
ElexisOrtiz said:
I really don't care. Apparently it's ok to trash talk someone, threaten them, like, etc but the person looking for advice and some compensation from this point forward after all of it is then one in the wrong. You guys don't seem to get what I'm saying, or just want to side against me. Whatever. She abandoned her snakes, especially when she REFUSED TO TAKE BACK THE ONES SHE HAD CAGING FOR AND FILLED THEM WITH NEW ANIMALS INSTEAD OF GETTING HER ANIMALS BACK! But yea she cares about them soo much to leave them when she has the chance to get them back. Yeah I'm the bad guy...
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Ms. Craig. I am not against you. I don't know you. I understand that you are hurt, feel like you where stabbed in the back, and taken advantage of.

A lot of people, that are not against you, are telling you to walk away. I understand you are upset, I would be upset if this happen to me. You have the right to be upset.

But right now, you are coming across as being a bully and taking advantage of your position. Many people are telling you this.

You have a chance to suck it up, be a good guy and just ship the snakes back when it is safe to do so.

One way to be a good guy, millions of ways to become a bad person.

You need to step away from the forums regardless, you are coming off in a very bad light.
 
CwnAnnwn said:
Ms. Craig. I am not against you. I don't know you. I understand that you are hurt, feel like you where stabbed in the back, and taken advantage of.

A lot of people, that are not against you, are telling you to walk away. I understand you are upset, I would be upset if this happen to me. You have the right to be upset.

But right now, you are coming across as being a bully and taking advantage of your position. Many people are telling you this.

You have a chance to suck it up, be a good guy and just ship the snakes back when it is safe to do so.

One way to be a good guy, millions of ways to become a bad person.

You need to step away from the forums regardless, you are coming off in a very bad light.
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I WANT TO send them back! But I cannot due to weather, I thought we covered this? I just want some compensation for the rats that will be going into them here on out. Had she not threatened me, and taken her problems out on me, things wouldn't have gone so far. Also while going threw messages earlier she was trying to get them back before the cold weather hit, then when it started getting cold it got pushed. Every time there was an opportunity for her to get them back she either didn't want them, and filled the cages with animals or didn't have open cages because she filled them with animals and was buying animals instead of caging for the snakes I have. I just want to send them back, again I tried to send her 3 back in the summer, she refused, how is that making ME look bad? And yes I was looking for opinions before everyone kept saying I'm trying to keep them, when I've said countless times I do NOT want them. So yes I was getting irritated. Also she has tried to insult me several times, I have not name called here, I have never brought up her family in an attempt to hurt her, I have not lied about her like she did to me at least twice here, yet I'm the one going on a do not do business with list? Hmm.. ok.

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ElexisOrtiz said:
I WANT TO send them back! But I cannot due to weather, I thought we covered this? I just want some compensation for the rats that will be going into them here on out. Had she not threatened me, and taken her problems out on me, things wouldn't have gone so far. Also while going threw messages earlier she was trying to get them back before the cold weather hit, then when it started getting cold it got pushed. Every time there was an opportunity for her to get them back she either didn't want them, and filled the cages with animals or didn't have open cages because she filled them with animals and was buying animals instead of caging for the snakes I have. I just want to send them back, again I tried to send her 3 back in the summer, she refused, how is that making ME look bad? And yes I was looking for opinions before everyone kept saying I'm trying to keep them, when I've said countless times I do NOT want them. So yes I was getting irritated. Also she has tried to insult me several times, I have not name called here, I have never brought up her family in an attempt to hurt her, I have not lied about her like she did to me at least twice here, yet I'm the one going on a do not do business with list? Hmm.. ok.

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It's 2AM, so take this with a grain of salt.

01. You agreed to take snakes in free of charge.
02. You had falling out with Alea (regardless of who is right or wrong)
03. You now want Alea to compensate you for room and board for them - and yet cannot return them to her at this time.

Short version: You have them, you CANNOT return them to her right now, and you want her to pay you for that fact. This is assuming that you are not asking for retroactive compensation (which it does not seem you are). I realize that you probably don't mean it that way but it comes across as blackmail: you can't send them to her safely, so you're attempting to force her hand in this regard.

I won't comment on anything else between you two, but when you made the agreement, it was to look after them without compensation (from the sounds of things). Assuming you two had not had a falling out, you would've continued to do so. It really looks like you're using the animals you are looking after as a weapon in this personal problem between the two of you and that is what is making you look so bad in this conflict. Those animals shouldn't be used that way. If you can't send them to her now in good conscience (because of being new to shipping and the season), then you should probably just eat the fees on feeding them until you can - it's what you would have done anyway, if you hadn't had a falling out. Send them back to her as soon as you are able.

My $0.02 since you asked for advice.
 
Sooooo from what I see you say repeatedly in here that you do not want them, and then turn around and say in messages that unless she pays you for the board and care that you initially agreed was for free (and you received a snake as payment as well from my gathering) that she infact cannot have them back until payment is given or am I reading these screen shots completely wrong?

All this mess started over Facebook drama, then it spilled into a business discussion where you outed alea, which became a BOI discussion because and admin enforced rules. One that has racked up alot of views, alot of comments over a cat fight. One that seems to be petty and ridiculous. Ship the snakes back when the weather breaks and both of you carry on with your lives. Two reputations got ruined today over fb drama and you of all people cannot even see that.
 

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caffeinecynic said:
It's 2AM, so take this with a grain of salt.

01. You agreed to take snakes in free of charge.
02. You had falling out with Alea (regardless of who is right or wrong)
03. You now want Alea to compensate you for room and board for them - and yet cannot return them to her at this time.

Short version: You have them, you CANNOT return them to her right now, and you want her to pay you for that fact. This is assuming that you are not asking for retroactive compensation (which it does not seem you are). I realize that you probably don't mean it that way but it comes across as blackmail: you can't send them to her safely, so you're attempting to force her hand in this regard.

I won't comment on anything else between you two, but when you made the agreement, it was to look after them without compensation (from the sounds of things). Assuming you two had not had a falling out, you would've continued to do so. It really looks like you're using the animals you are looking after as a weapon in this personal problem between the two of you and that is what is making you look so bad in this conflict. Those animals shouldn't be used that way. If you can't send them to her now in good conscience (because of being new to shipping and the season), then you should probably just eat the fees on feeding them until you can - it's what you would have done anyway, if you hadn't had a falling out. Send them back to her as soon as you are able.

My $0.02 since you asked for advice.
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If people are taking it as black mail, which it's NOT, then that's not my fault. She wanted them back in spring regardless, we already agreed apon that before she did this. I'm not using them as a weapon. I'm tired of being used by someone who obviously didn't value the friendship that much to treat me so poorly for NO reason at all.

Why are you guys ignoring the fact she had the opportunity to take 3 back months ago and REFUSED and bought more animals? If she wanted them back so badly, why did she leave them when she had open cages then fill them with other animals? That's my problem, she says she cares, wants them back, but when I tried to send the 3 smallest back since she had caging she said no. But I'm the bad guy..

I just want to send them back and be done with it. If I have to do it free of charge because I agreed to a friend months ago, who threw away everything, then fine. Like I said it's easy to judge when its not happening to you.
 
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David Scarboro said:
So you are walking back the " because in the eyes of the LAW you have legally ABANDONED these animals a long time ago" statement. And although I do not buy or sell reptiles any more, yes, stating your opinion that it is ok to steal something belonging to someone else will get you on a lot of peoples lists.
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David, I am law enforcement, at the Federal Level at that. Let me just say this, possession is 9/10 of the law.. Unless they have some type of notarized contract, this girl can keep them if she wishes to.

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