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BryonsBoas
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greg4000 said:
From the understanding I have of the Coral trait , it can take a bit to really show up in some animals. It doesn't always appear to be definitive in the first shed or 3.
A few theorize that corals are another form of pastel albino.
crotalusadamanteus
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They are Sunglows no doubt. The thing with the Coral trait, is that it don't always make itself obvious at first. They could go a couple years just looking like Sunglows, then all of a sudden start with the color coming in. I had several albinos do this to me in '06, while only one made it clear he was a Coral at birth.
Then there is the difference of opinion that Bryon mentioned. The earlier corals did not display the same sort of color as a lot of them being called corals today. I saw the first Coral Albino born to Pete Kahl way back when. Even bought a litter mate to it in '99. It looked nothing like what they are calling Corals these days.
I think many of todays Corals are merely pastel Albinos like mentioned. No less good looking, just not what I was shown to be coral. Pretty confusing trait, and one that I admire. But when I had more interest in it, and tried finding out more about them, I got a whole lot of conflicting info thrown at me.
Good luck
Rick
Then there is the difference of opinion that Bryon mentioned. The earlier corals did not display the same sort of color as a lot of them being called corals today. I saw the first Coral Albino born to Pete Kahl way back when. Even bought a litter mate to it in '99. It looked nothing like what they are calling Corals these days.
I think many of todays Corals are merely pastel Albinos like mentioned. No less good looking, just not what I was shown to be coral. Pretty confusing trait, and one that I admire. But when I had more interest in it, and tried finding out more about them, I got a whole lot of conflicting info thrown at me.
Good luck
Rick
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From what I understand, Kahl produced his corals using the pastel trait, making his actually pastel albinos. I am thinking it really comes down to the quality of the pastel gene used to create a smokin' coral. I see many pastels that are simply clean speckless animals with no pink, but they are called "pastel". Using a "pastel" named boa, without the extreme pink, to make a coral ended up with subpar looking corals.
Does this make sense? Or am I off my rocker again?
Does this make sense? Or am I off my rocker again?
crotalusadamanteus
Brother Infidel
Could be you're right. But he made it sound as if it were just something that happened unexpectedly, when I spoke to him in Orlando, picking up Aurora. It's also been like 9½ yrs since then. Could be my memory as well. LOL
But I remember that first Coral. It had marbled pink up and down, not flushed pink. Sorta like Belenus here...
Then again, I have no pastel in my blood lines, and I had quite a few this year that are pretty flushed with pink. I do have Coral genes in my line though. So I don't know what to think anymore.
I remain perplexed.
But I remember that first Coral. It had marbled pink up and down, not flushed pink. Sorta like Belenus here...
Then again, I have no pastel in my blood lines, and I had quite a few this year that are pretty flushed with pink. I do have Coral genes in my line though. So I don't know what to think anymore.
I remain perplexed.
Randall Turner
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The coral trait imo isn't a pastel, or I should say originally wasn't. My thoughts are, it was the result of a high color (probably high speckled and dirty as well since Pete wasn't expecting it) animal. With the grays, and other dark colors removed, it revealed alot of color, at the same time with the black markings being bright white on albinos it gives that marbled appearance. Atleast thats my thought.
It would also explain why with refinement they have picked up the more common pastel albino appearance, since people would selectively breed the "nicer" clean animals for their refinement projects, resulting in the loss of the original Coral appearance.
It would also explain why with refinement they have picked up the more common pastel albino appearance, since people would selectively breed the "nicer" clean animals for their refinement projects, resulting in the loss of the original Coral appearance.
greg4000
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Thanks for all the responses
We really appreciate all the info. We never seem to have enough time to respond and participate in any of the forums, hence me taking so long to respond.
I am posting a pic of the father and the mother, sorry its a tiny bit blurry but they were courting at the time and we were trying to be quick. He seems to have an extreme amount of pink compared to other corals.
The babies will hopefully coral up for who ever buys them. We dont have a whole lot of room so we are only keeping a sunglow and a normal who was born with a perfect little circle in one of the red tail saddles.
If only I knew they had the coral gene or not, then I could sell them that way.
Anyway, here is mom and dad, and a picture of Spot.
We really appreciate all the info. We never seem to have enough time to respond and participate in any of the forums, hence me taking so long to respond.
I am posting a pic of the father and the mother, sorry its a tiny bit blurry but they were courting at the time and we were trying to be quick. He seems to have an extreme amount of pink compared to other corals.
The babies will hopefully coral up for who ever buys them. We dont have a whole lot of room so we are only keeping a sunglow and a normal who was born with a perfect little circle in one of the red tail saddles.
If only I knew they had the coral gene or not, then I could sell them that way.
Anyway, here is mom and dad, and a picture of Spot.
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crotalusadamanteus
Brother Infidel
That male would be called a Coral by most people. Probably me too. LOL
I'd say just call them possibles, post a picture of dad if they need proof.
I'd say just call them possibles, post a picture of dad if they need proof.
Randall Turner
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I agree with Rich, definitely looks coral to me. And since I forgot to mention it in my previous post, beautiful neos.
greg4000
GnK Reptiles
Great info
Thanks for the compliments, i had one more question. Is the coral gene co-dominant or recessive. In other words, is there such a thing as a het for coral, or het for pastel with the redtails? Im trying to post and price my babies appropriately but am still not sure on the coral gene, im not sure if i should post as het for coral albino, or dh for coral sunglow. I have heard from a few reliable sources that it is co-dominant, but would like more opinions, thanks again in advance.
gnk
Thanks for the compliments, i had one more question. Is the coral gene co-dominant or recessive. In other words, is there such a thing as a het for coral, or het for pastel with the redtails? Im trying to post and price my babies appropriately but am still not sure on the coral gene, im not sure if i should post as het for coral albino, or dh for coral sunglow. I have heard from a few reliable sources that it is co-dominant, but would like more opinions, thanks again in advance.
gnk
crotalusadamanteus
Brother Infidel
That's the big mystery about the coral trait. Nobody really knows. The coral trait passes on to some young, to various degrees. It even shows through on some normal looking Boas.
Some figure it's like the pastels, a polygenic thing, meaning more then one gene involved. I ain't smart enough to make that claim myself.
Some figure it's like the pastels, a polygenic thing, meaning more then one gene involved. I ain't smart enough to make that claim myself.
I agree with Richard's post earlier, sell them as possible corals and explain that the father was a coral albino. Those babies sure are sweet looking, esp. the 3rd one down. Their sire is what I would expect as a 'coral' albino. I have a '98 albino from PK and she is far from being anywhere near 'coral', just a big yellow girl.
crotalusadamanteus
Brother Infidel
April Yohn said:
Got pictures? I've asked many times for people to show their older albinos. I started to think Aurora was the oldest one left in the country, since nobody obliged. LOL I got her from Pete in '99, she was a big banana boa too.
I sure do... I got her in 2002 when she was 4 years old. The prior owner totally powerfed her, being a newbie to breeding I bred her right away... she dropped 18 premature of which 4 survived. Haven't bred her since, been spending the last years getting all the fat off and better muscle tone. She'll be ready to try with another male either this season or next. I call her Lemondrop.
Not a great pic, but here she is last year to give a size reference... I'm 5'5"
And then from this year, after I moved, getting settled in
I've got more pics but they are not loaded up online currently.
I have a het from PK that is also 10 this year.
Not a great pic, but here she is last year to give a size reference... I'm 5'5"
And then from this year, after I moved, getting settled in
I've got more pics but they are not loaded up online currently.
I have a het from PK that is also 10 this year.
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wow... Nice looking girl there. Im betting rick would LOVE a baby from that gorgeous girl! ^_-
crotalusadamanteus
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That's a could be maybe right there. LOL Those older ones are not likely to have suffered as much inbreeding depression IMO. I miss Aurora a bunch.
Thanks for the pics April. Nice to see there's still some older ones out there. Most got grown so fast, they aren't around any more it seems. Hopefully she'll live a nice full life now.
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Thanks for the pics April. Nice to see there's still some older ones out there. Most got grown so fast, they aren't around any more it seems. Hopefully she'll live a nice full life now.
Thanks! I really do hope that she lasts another 10 or 20 years, it's so hard to say after they get pushed so fast, she was over 6' and 25lbs at 3.5 years of age. Felt like holding a big pillow full of jello. Now she's about a foot longer and all muscle. I am a firm believer in slow growth. Hope I didn't hijack the thread! Back to ogling the coral offspring.
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April Yohn said:Thanks! I really do hope that she lasts another 10 or 20 years, it's so hard to say after they get pushed so fast, she was over 6' and 25lbs at 3.5 years of age. Felt like holding a big pillow full of jello. Now she's about a foot longer and all muscle. I am a firm believer in slow growth. Hope I didn't hijack the thread! Back to ogling the coral offspring.
ME TOO! i dont care about getting babies out nearly as much as i do the health of my current critters. Especially with RARE stuff, like your albino there. An animal, in GREAT health will produce babies for a LONG time if theyre taken care of right. so why rush em along?