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Neil Gubitz - An unpleasant perspective

Right on...

Jude and Cheri----
Thanks for saving me the time to post my thoughts on this subject, as most of what both of you said is exactly what I was thinking (and probably many others as well). Kudos to you fine ladies! Let's move on......
Bob
 
and another thing...

Some food for thought...

I was brought up being told..... When many people are harsh, nasty, rude, and say hurtful things to and about others, it is really because they themselves are the ones they are unhappy with and find it makes themselves feel better to bash and rip upon others.

Bob
 
Thank you Jude, you summed up my feeling and outlook exactly.

Personally I regret that this thread is here and many of the comments that have been put on it, but also as you say, it appears some good has come of it, perhaps we all can learn a little more humanity.
 
I have and idea. Instead of wasting your words here, why don't you go down to Winters thread and do something worthwhile and help her out. :D
 
Hi All,

I almost feel as if someone is about to suggest that we have a 'Neil - Please Come Back Rally'. I imagine, and hope, that is not going to happen. Some of you folks apparently think, as I see it, that Neil is this great guy who was wronged by people bashing him on this forum.

People were recently complaining about the moderators over at another herp related site. In my guess, we don't need moderators at this site who do worse than the other site's moderators - do we? Maybe you should go back and reread what Neil said in that letter when he in essence told the other guy to be as sarcastic as he is; and when he called users at this site the things he apparently called us. Get it, based upon what he himself wrote, as I see it anyhow, Neil has likely been being sarcastic in his posts here at faunaclassifieds, and he likely holds us in contempt. He has been, in my opinion, apparently trying to make fools of us without having the guts to come right out and directly say what he meant. Now you guys seem to suggest that this was ok and one of you has gone so far to reflect that it is the other users of this site who are at fault - the Neil bashers! That, in my belief, is just about the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in these forums. Well I guess you can believe that, it is your prerogative to do so - just as it is mine to believe that Neil was wrong, and to believe that he owes us all an apology.

Sincerely,
Glenn B
 
I havent stated anything about this matter because Neil did enough on his own. I just want to make comments about the last couple posts.

All so-called "Bad Guys" will get alot of trash on this board regardless if its Neil, Adam, or whoever is acting up at the moment. When you have a person such as Neil that is always looking down his nose at people, going off very harshly, yelling at people, and is probably the most well known person on this board (just the BOI in general not the reptile community), when he messes up their will be alot of people that want to chime in and tell him how they see it. Also, he always has had such support from his followers that it would be difficult at best to stand up against Neil on this forum. Even though their has been talk about crappy store conditions before some certain manager came in, complaints about animals that would either get ignored or get alot of attitude before he would finally make it good after a public debate on the matter, and store robberies with mixed up facts and downright lies (all given to bad memory). Do you think that complaints like these have come up with people that do not know about the BOI? He even stated in one post something like that he was above an inquiry here... This is finally a time for all the people that read this forum and have not responded due to a fear of the group mentality (real or not) and state how they feel about Neil without being flamed. I personally think its good... The more crap people get for being somewhat of a "JackAss" or "Bad Guy", then the less likely they will respond like that in the future. He clearly showed his lack of respect for the BOI and everything that Rich does to create a site such as this that really is only here to help honest people. Even if he truly believes what he said about the people on this site, he should not downplay the site and tell people to be sarcastic in here.

Finally, this is not the Psychologists forum. We really do not need to worry about why Neil acted the way he did.. His personal problems and whatever he has going on at home are just that, personal. That never gives you a right to be two faced and be an all around shady business person. If you like Neil and feel this is ridiculous and he might be hurting inside and that is why he acted like this.... Well then call Neil and talk to him. Be his friend and see if he needs anything or just someone to listen to him. He seems like he can be a nice guy and obviously has a sense of humor, so help him if you like. He probably needs some friends right now. That is not the responsiblity of this board and I dont think it ever will be. This is where you go to find the "Bad Guys" you dont want to deal with, and verify what you have heard about some of the "Good Guys".
Thanks, Tom Baker
 
PLEASE tell me you're not giving these assholes any credibility

I'm sure you've read some of the things I've said to some of these mental midgets

be as sarcastic as you can get, like I do....

I still think they're idiots!....

I just wanted to repost Neils thoughts of some of us.
I also would like to add that im not sure whats worse, the fact that he called ALL of us names, or sent the apology email to very few people.

I know I will not forget what he said about me, and I dont feel im wasting my time telling other members that I see no reason why Neil should be allowed back. I think the things he said are actualy worse because it was in PM. If others eyes were not meant to read it, im sure he wouldnt hide his true feelings.
 
AL

I think you sum it up perfectly.

In regards to Neil coming back, try looking at it this way. If Neil was an employee of mine and he tried to undermine my business the way he did in his comments about fauna, insulted everyone in it and tried to stir up much trouble... I would of fired him!!

I wouldn't be re-hiring someone with an attitude like his. He showed his REAL feelings.

Just my opinion!
 
you all are just amazing,,,

Finally, this is not the Psychologists forum. We really do not need to worry about why Neil acted the way he did.. His personal problems and whatever he has going on at home are just that, personal.
~You don't have to be a psychologist to be a fair person. I am not sidng with Neil, nor am I condoning what he did. He was wrong. period. So, that gives everyone license? Sorry, I still believe that 2 (or more) wrongs do NOT make a right. Sure, Neil showed some true colors...but, now, so have a whole lot of other people here.

~Personal??? Yeah, right. How many personal emails have been posted? How many personal interactions and conversations have been posted for all to see? There isNOTHING personal on this site.

~Understand something, it would not matter who it is...Neil or anyone else... I would still say it is below us to post for no other reasons than to publicly rub salt in an open wound. Call me crazy, but I continue to believe in the "Golden Rule". I am just surprised at how many people here do not.

If Neil was an employee of mine and he tried to undermine my business the way he did in his comments about fauna, insulted everyone in it and tried to stir up much trouble... I would of fired him!!
~So would I!!! But I would not then follow up with a public bulletin board for everyone to post and read repeats of the same complaints and comments about him. It needs to stop somewhere. It seems like so many people are so thoroughly enjoying this that they refuse to let it go. That is so sad. I wish people would go on and on for the good guys as much as they do for the bad guys...but I suppose that is not quite as entertaining. And it would be so repetitive to read the same things over and over....Hey, wait a minute... what's the difference?? :erm:

~ I am letting it drop...here and now. You now know what kind of person This Lady is. These are my true colors, no different from what I have shown from day one. Do with it what you will and think what you want. I know I am not alone in this...just open enough to display it. You all can get your jollies beating this thing to death...I have better things to do.
 
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~So would I!!! But I would not then follow up with a public bulletin board for everyone to post and read repeats of the same complaints and comments about him.
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It's a forum, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and have a right to voice it and post it.
 
hope this posts

I agree with Jude. I would also like to add, that I am not a Neil follower, I have not even met him. I just say what I feel is right.
I also want to say that if nothing on this forum is personal then perhaps what Neil wrote shouldn't be taken personal. I don't think he showed his "true colors" just that he was upset about something and showed another facet of his personality. Geesh if everytime we screwed up that would become our "true colors" we would all be in trouble.
As far as email is concerned I guess not very many people can be trusted on here, because you all think that sending to one person is the same as sending to a forum.
If Neil had worked for me, I would like to think I would be more understanding, yes I would reprimand, perhaps even fire, but he could still shop at my place. I would try first to find out what is going on.
This is not a let Neil come back rally, he hasn't left, he hasn't been banned.
I think it right that Rich took action, but I don't think it is right that the rules of this forum should be set aside because of anger at one person. Everyone has said their peace, perhaps this thread should be locked.
As far as people saying things now about Neil without being flamed, well what about others that perhaps some do not like or agree with on here? Just have to wait to voice an opinion until that person does something to tick off the group. Then it is ok?
 
Okay, I went back and read this whole thread, I still could not see where BOI turned into a place that
people that want to chime in and tell him how they see it.
or
This is finally a time for all the people that read this forum and have not responded due to a fear of the group mentality (real or not) and state how they [bold]feel[/bold] about Neil
. or this
I personally think its good... The more crap people get for being somewhat of a "JackAss"
The BOI sure has changed in a short time!

I certainly thought there was a big deal made over setting up a "warning system" to avoid exactly this type comments and punches at someone.... like I said before, maybe its more selective than we were lead to believe?

When you read back.... also look how often posters include inferring EVERYONE on FC when they actually meant only a few..... its a term of speech that all of us use.... IT DOES NOT MEAN EACH AND EVERYONE..... Same as Neil's [bold]private[/b] email did....

he called ALL of us names
I don't feel that way
We really do not need to worry about why Neil acted the way he did
We don't? Mind if I think for myself?
Now you guys seem to suggest that this was ok
No, but two wrongs don't make a right, especially when it breaks rules that were established on this site over and over again
People were recently complaining about the ....
NO people were not, people is all humans on this planet, there were only a small potion of the world that was.
his comments about fauna, insulted everyone in it
I did not feel insulted, I knew he did not mean me, I am sure many people know that.

See that's my point...... we all use mass groups like the examples above, when we only mean a very select few.....

If I were to say: People in the US are very spoiled.. would you read that to include everyone??? Of course not. Even in a court of law, to prove false advertising or libel, you have to prove that "any person of normal intelligence would have believed what was said or advertised".

I don't think taking a private email and posting it on a public board was constructive or permitting these attacks were a good move. I was at the Tampa show the past three days and MUCH of the discussion was that many people felt this was is in poor taste for BOI. The most often comment was even KS at its worst actions, never publicly humiliated someone and then allowed the feeding frenzy.

As Jude said and I heartily agree
Sure, Neil showed some true colors...but, now, so have a whole lot of other people here
I think it is very sad as there is no way to undo what has been done here, and that's NOT removing anyone as a moderator or personally asking them to stay off a site. Its the avenue that was taken to do it and the cheer section that followed. I for one can guarantee I will never deal, buy or sell with those that joined it and it certainly lowered my personal impression and respect of them.

Who knows, maybe this was put here as a reaction without thinking the negative impact it could have in the long run and there is a way to remove it? I know I am not alone in that thinking, Rich has always left this site open to users to have input on it, rather than discussing in private the fact that some of us think this was wrong, others that voiced that should say it here or at minimum in a message to him. I've also seen that he's not afraid to admit that he's made mistakes and correct them, unlike some other sites.
 
I have said my piece. I don't really want to argue a lot about Neil; I have a real life. So I am signing off from this philippic because it has become all too predictable in that it mirrors the last time around all too much. Just call me Nostradamus jr., the predictions begin to align themselves as foretold!

Best regards,
Glenn B
 
My apology for chiming in again, but I forgot this in my last post, and I had meant to mention it. Please allow me to quote CheriS:

As Jude said and I heartily agree

Now let me quote what she was quoting, a statement apparently made by Jude:

Sure, Neil showed some true colors...but, now, so have a whole lot of other people here

You see the difference is that the people who showed their colors here in this forum (on both sides) at least had the courage to do so publicly. They invite criticism of their own opinions simply by way of posting their opinions here in public. This is a forum, and that is one of the things that forums are for. Did Neil do that, by which I mean did he display that amount of grit? Did he display his thoughts publicly and leave them open to the criticism of others as we are doing here in this open forum? Really ask yourself, and then really think about the answer. The implications of the answer you give to yourself should be very self revealing if you refelct on them a bit.

I rest my case.

Goodnight and best regards,
Glenn B
 
Glenn,
I have seen a lot of times where Neil had a lot of guts on this forum and is now getting slammed for them as well. Seems you can't win whether you are doing it publicly or privately. Especially if it is one that people may think is true but do not back him because of this very thing that is happening.
What it comes down to is trust no one on this forum becasue you never know know if you will be the butt of attacks on the BOI.
I thought that Rich was trying to change this about the BOI, I guess the point system only counts when it is someone who goes against what the general consensus agrees with.
It is ok around here to call names and bash publicly if some do not agree.
The terms should stay intact no matter what, not be flexable on a whim.
I agree with Cheri, this was started in anger and without thought of the repricussions of it.
 
I agree

Have to say that I agree with most of what Cheri has posted.

I did not take what Neil wrote personally, as I believe the remarks were directed at some of the people involved in the thread about Terry, not the membership as a whole. Neil didn't even know I existed prior to this weekend, why would I assume he was referring to me or any member that he has either limited or no knowledge of? Since his PM wasn't directed at me why should I expect an apology/explanation?

I am uncomfortable with the level of bashing some have shown in this thread, which is what led me to post the first time, but I don't believe it would influence who I purchased from. Bad business practice would do that not the fact that they 'let it all hang out', and say what is on their mind' much like Neil himself.

I'm also a little confused as to why no warning points have been issued for extremely inflammatory posts or what this has to do with a business deal? I'm assuming that since there is no specific forum for this sort of thing it has remained on the BOI. And yes people should be able to express their opinions (and warning points issued if warranted)...and give input as to whom they feel should be a moderator, which can in turn be considered by Webslave who has the final decision. I don't feel that it's up to the membership however to decide who should be allowed to post here, if that were the case what would stop the membership from banning anyone with whom they took issue? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the BOI? And since Neil did not directly post the PM to the forum, and as a result no warning points were issued perhaps asking him to leave was a little harsh...at least in my opinion.

Regards,
Meryl Lechner
 
I didn't think the BOI was for.. hey folks look what so and so said, now lets get him.
I was under the impression it was for watching out for good/bad guys who sell or buy.
 
When will the insanity stop??

I'm really starting to get tired of the "Neil Bashing". So he's not perfect!! WHO IS!!!! He made a mistake! He saw a friend getting trashed on the BOI and he tried to give some moral support. Unfortunately he sent it to the wrong person and this thread is the result. I read what Neil wrote. I could see it wasn't aimed at me, but to those who were bashing/trashing his friend. I wasn't offended. Now obviously many were. Yeah, those last lines about entertainment and sarcasim were a bit much. I understand why Web Slave asked him not to return and he hasn't. I agree with Web Slave's decision and I would never question his authority. I do think that many who are "bashing" Neil are taking advantage of the situation. I still believe that Neil is a Good Guy, regardless of his past behavior on the BOI. I don't always agree with the way Neil has acted, but it doesn't make me think less of him either. I don't think Neil showed his "true colors", but rather he showed he's human and being so "he's not perfect". I've purchased from him in the past and I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from him in the future. One of these days I hope to get to Florida and actually meet him in person. OK, I'm done venting now.
 
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