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Neil Gubitz-Good guy and easy to deal with

Seamus,

In large part, I agree with what you have written above. I too felt betrayed by Neil and his actions. Not on the same direct level as you experienced, having vouched for him to a friend, but rather as did we all here on the BOI, when one of our own turned to some of the very same actions that he previously ridiculed in others.

However, Neil has apologized for those things he did, and has been shown not have been guilty of some of the more heinous things of which he was accused. Do I trust him? Not on your life!

But I am of the opinion (and it is JUST an opinion!) that when anyone brings up the negative aspects of Neil's past in constant new posts, we only run the risk of making appear to be a martyr in the eyes of many, especially in those who are newer, and do not share that sense of betrayal that you and I do. So, I would like to suggest that if anyone should ever feel the need to show all sides of Neil in a thread, why not just post a link to one of the many options out there that do just that?

All publicity is good publicity, some say. I don't know if that's true, but one thing worse that a shady guy being let alone to be shady, is a shady guy being made a martyr, in my opinion. If Neil is truly repentent for his previous actions, fine. He should have the opportunity to prove himself over a LONG period. If he has not, that too will come out in the wash. But harping on him won't make either result appear any faster.
 
All of which is why I waited until today to post as I did. In fact, had I not come across the posts from Mike and Davey, I likely wouldn't have added my comments at all.

I was tempted after a few posts which were condemning Wes for posting negatives on a good guy thread, since there's no rule about a good guy thread having to stay that way, but it was the spin that Neil put on the entire situation in response to Davey and Mike's posts that prompted my post.

It's important that people be given a clear picture of what Neil has and hasn't done, both positive and negative, so that they can form their own conclusions. Unfortunately, since emotions seem to run fairly high around any subject that he's involved in, many people viewing it without the history of interaction will view negative posts as being petty or vindictive, when this is not the case.

I stayed out of the Tampa threads for the most part because I don't live anywhere near Tampa and have had only passing interaction with people who are in the area... I've been to Daytona... once. That's the only time and place that I may have ever run into many of the people who posted on that issue in person and if I did... I have no idea who I may or may not have met.

I found Neil to be pretty likeable, a bit brash at times but he was quick witted and he was always speaking up to defend what I considered to be proper business ethics and suggesting that others do the right thing by their customers and accept responsibility for their actions. I communicated with him a few times via PM or email and, perhaps just a bit too cocky when it comes to my own ability to judge someone's character, considered him to be a stand up guy despite never having had a business transaction with him.

It came back to bite me, a few times over. I feel much the same way about my support of Fred Albury and it has made me wary and distrustful of the people who abused the notions which I had come to hold true about their character. While I don't think Neil is a bad guy in the same vein as a few others, I also think that any kind of rehabilitation will be a long time coming and will require a serious cutback in the number of adjectives that he's allowed the use of. An accumulation of minor problems leaves the same impression as a smaller number of fairly major ones... The manner in which he responded to Davey earlier in this thread has only pushed everything back more. I'm fairly certain that my opinion isn't too important to him, or to the vast majority of the reptile buying public... but it does have weight with more than just myself, to a certain degree.

And Dave... no offense here but I don't really agree with a few of the things you seem to have taken from my post, your own history in the entire mess leaves something to be desired as well and, to be frank, I don't like the way you conduct yourself in many situations. While I'm not a friend or supporter of Neils, please don't form the misimpression that I am joining your camp in this ongoing feud.

If I have to be on anyone's side in any of this, I guess it's Davey's and Mike's... Neil didn't treat Davey too well and while there was a refund, I don't think there has yet been a really sincere apology. Mike found himself in the same situation as I was, having vouched for someone who stepped on that trust. Neil may not be able to be directly blamed for this, since he didn't ask Mike or I to support him or his business, but there's still a measure of culpability which I don't think he's accepted.

I've somewhat resigned myself to ignoring threads about him for the most part, unless I feel drawn into them when there is mention of my personal and very limited involvement.
 
Seamus,

Please do not take this the wrong way, I do not look at this as a them and us thing. It is more of everyone speaking up as to thier opinions of Gubitz, plain aand simple, I only agreed with what you said.


Yes at times I have conducted myself in a childish manner in some of the thread concerning Gubitz and my self. I guess the biggest reason for that is the way that Gubitz seems to ALWAYS turn his trouble over to being my fault. It burns my a$$ to the point I lose my temper. The bottomline is simple, I have a record, I have never tried to hide it from anyone, if that makes me a bad person well so be it.
 
Seamus,

Points well taken. I just wanted to address an overall issue with putting Neil in a light better than he may deserve through perceived unjustified attacks (perceived as such by those who may not know the whole story, that is).

As to other issue...

It seems a bit like the coral snake denegrading the EDB for having venom that is hemotoxic rather than neurotoxic.

:2hammers:
 
Pastel???

There is a" pastel" for sale by Neil on the KS classifieds. Looking at the pics, it is hard to tell if it is a pastel or not. With the whole "NEW MORPH" anaconda scheme, which was really just a cross, not a morph, I just wonder about the pastel....is it a proven line of pastels or something just pastel looking?
 
I was going to ask for a photo to be posted, but I figured it'd be just as quick to add it myself.

This is a screenshot of the photo in the ad, reduced to half the size (so it can be posted) and saved as a .jpeg.
 

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I wasn't going to touch that one...

but since you did :)

If I were Neil, and seeing the recent higher end animals he's 'brokering' lately, I'd take $150 of my hard earned money and invest in a nice, new, 2.0 + megapixel digital camera and take some decent pics of these things. I'm not accusing, or assuming anything on this "Pastel" he has posted right now, but I will state my personal thoughts on it...from the pic - I think he may have made one of his signature typo's on the "price" on this one. Neil - if it IS a Pastel then far be it from me to say it's not, but the pic is weak man, and I just don't see it . Which reminds me of something I wanted to ask you...awhile back you posted an Albino Ball Python and you said, and I quote,
He's got a lot more white on him than your "normal" albino
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and was wondering if you could elaborate.
 
To make this even more confusing...

He has a pastel BOA and BALL for sale right now, I was talking Ball Python.

Dave
 
I found the "high white" albino ad...

Remember please that Webslave asked that anyone making a comment about an ad get a screenshot and/or copy the text? I can't seem to find an ad from Neil for a pastel ball, it may have been deleted (or I may be overlooking it somehow). If it's not there anymore, then there was no point in mentioning it as nobody else will ever see it. Gotta get screenshots, easiest thing to do... Hit the print screen key (Or hold Alt and hit Print Screen for just the active window), open an image program (Paint), paste and save the picture.

This is the high white ball python...
 

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My fault...

Dang it, I didn't even think about adding a screen shot, but thanks for doing that Seamus. It looks like the BP ad is deleted already. I went back to find it as well, and it's gone. I have to remember to be quicker with these things...that pic IMHO was not a Pastel (Ball Python) but like I said, it could have just been the pic...
 
Troy.... You're absolutely correct about the "Pastel" Ball Python.... I don't usually do Balls, so I'm not sure of their characteristics, but, last night, I got an email from Rob Trenor telling me what to look for.... I went to the owner's house this morning and looked at it again carefully.... it had none of the traits that Rob described, so I told him I won't list it as a Pastel, and took it off-line....
My camera SUCKS for color of any kind.... I took some more pics this morning of the Lempke-line pastel Boa to see if I could get more color to come through.... this is what I came out with....

<img src="http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=8037025">

I'm in the process now of looking for a new camera for a lot more money than I spent on the one that took these photos (Gateway 5.0)....

Here are some more shots of the 1.1 Patternless Coral Albino Sub-Adults I also took this morning, too....

<img src="http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=8037030">

<img src="http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=8037027">

Whoever eventually buys them, will notice a VAST diffrerence between what's in the photo's and what they see with their own eyes....

That's the best I can do with what I have to work with, if it's not good enough, it will just have to do for now....

Neil
 
This one?

0.1, cb-early-03, PASTEL JUNGLE BALL! $1999 SHIPPED! *PIC*!
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Posted by Neil Gubitz - Tampa Snake Pit (Contact Me!) on February 20, 2004 at 19:51:01
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2002-09-01




This girl is just jam-packed with orange, yellow and peach coloring! Her saddle pattern is definitely Jungle-type! She is eating medium rats every week with no problems! She looks so much better in person, cameras just can't capture her true coloring!

She is being sold for....
ONLY $1999 SHIPPED!

I ship UPS Next Day Air!

PAYPAL or CALLING ME
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It protects us BOTH!

E-mail me ANY questions!....
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And the image...
 

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Yeah, Joel.... that's the one.... it does have all those shades in her, but she doesn't have the faded head and she doesn't have the vibrant coloring that she should have.... she's probably a b-grade pastel, but not worthy enough of the pricetag, so off she came!

I do appreciate all the interest in my animals, though (for whatever reason).... I still say.... "Any publicity is good publicity".... thanks

Neil

BTW.... If you want her, I can still get her for you at a much lower cost??
 
Neil...

I found a really nice digicam for $119.00 at CORD Camera. I'm not sure if there nationwide or what, but it's a fuji FinePix A205. It does a pretty good job considering the money I spent. Here's a pic.
 

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Troy.... on your advice, I just went on Ebay and bought one for $99.95.... thanks.... now, maybe my pictures will show the actual colors.... which means, when it comes, I've got a lot of pictures to RE-take.... thanks for all the extra work.... lol

Neil
 
You made a good decision!! The animals should show "true" and that should really help. You do have a "knack for words", but honestly...a pictures worth 1,000 of them :) It might even save you from typing so much!! Best of luck!!
 
Hey neil, there are some really good digital cameras out there and with as many highend snakes as you claim to sell I think a good one would be at the top of your priority list. Sometimes you've actually got to spend a few bucks to get a good one but it will last for years and more than make you back what it cost in good quality pictures. Even I broke down last year and got one.

Nice to see that you're working to improve the neil method.

Wes Pollock
 
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