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Neil Gubitz (Good Guy)

I changed my mind.... you want to send it back??.... When it gets here, I'll send you a full refund.... but, in this particular instance.... YOU can pay for the shipping back to me....

I'm still very upset at you, though!

....Neil
 
Dave,

Although I understand your motives, this is a good guy thread and IMHO it should have stayed us such. It will create unnecessary confusion when people do a search on Neil.

Secondly, I don't see anywhere in your first post you stating you were buying a female boa from Neil. It might be helpful if you post the e-mail exchange between both of you.

As with regards to Neil's assertions:

The problem is that I wasn't selling it as a female (per say), I was selling it as an ORANGE BOA....
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I can understand an add without stating the sex although the first question everyone asks is usually if it's male or female.

On the other hand it could have very well been an honest mistake, as Neil clearly stated:

I probed and popped it, and two other well-known folks probed and popped it as a female????....
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I sold it originally as a female, and I bought it as a 17" baby as a female....
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One way or the other I hope you can amicably solve the issue.

Best regards.
 
Just a bit of clarification is needed, I believe.

Just because the topic line might say so, and the start of the thread might be moving in this direction, does not mean that the entire thread has to stay in tune with the way it started. Dissenting opinions are not only welcome in a thread going against the topic line, but they are necessary in order for everyone to feel that they can chime in with what they have to say, pro or con.

That would be like saying that if someone started a thread saying that Neil Gubitz is a bad guy, no one could post something disagreeing with that assessment or giving contrary opinions or evidence. Which would be a ridiculous way to run things here.

There has to be discussion, pro and con, about matters of this nature on the BOI for people to be able to form their own opinions.

Hope I have explained this a bit better.
 
I think the snake should be checked again!!!!! If Neil is saying the animal was probed and popped many times and every time it was a female I would have to say the one time it was probed in your care isn't enough.....

However, if the gender confusion was the other way I would be more inclined to say there was a mistake as a female isn't going to probe male without blood....

Also, in this situation there is more at stake then this deal as saying the snake is a male is also saying that the snake was incorrectly popped/probed three or four times by Neil and his friends.....

I would never pop a snake that size so have it probe again by somebody else and if it's in fact a male send it back....

Neil, I've seen many of your post and you seem to be very in favor of customer service.... The one that stands out is the post some time back on refunding shipping.... If in fact this is a male and the snake was probed and popped three or four times I think you should be the one to pay shipping.... It wasn't the other parties mistake and it shouldn't cost him anything to do business with you if he isn't happy or was sent the wrong animal....
 
Freddy.... normally, I would say you're correct!.... But, as I said, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.... I think Dave should pay for the return shipping because he is partly responsible.... I wasn't selling it as a "female", I didn't MEAN to put it as 4'.... and I have a 24 hr guarantee which was over DAYS AGO.... I think that if I'm going to BEND my 24 hour guarantee, the least Dave can do is pay his part of it.... It's like him paying $30 for me to honor my already lapsed guarantee.... I think that's fair!.... don't you??.... but first.... Dave.... you're going to have to PROVE to me, that it IS a male.... I want to see "pics" of the peens or don't bother sending it back.... at 1-1/2 years old, you should have no problem, if you do it correctly.... when I popped it, all I saw was two tiny little white "blips" on each side.... NO RED PEENS???

BTW.... Rich, you're absolutely right!.... I might not like the way Dave did this, but, this IS the correct place to do it!....

....Neil
 
Neil.....This is of course your business and I don't have enough time dealing with selling reptiles to say....

However, I don't think your 24 hour rule applies to the things you've said about the snake.... These things, like gender should be taken at face value and the burden should fall on you if the information you've given is prooven incorrect....

That should be the case weather it's 24 hours, two months or two years.... I doubt everybody sexes the babies Rich sells them but I would also bet if it was found 3 years later come breeding time that Rich was incorrect on a sex he would make the deal right.....

Sometimes there is a cost on customer service and sometimes you loose money on a deal to keep an outstanding reputation like you seem to have.....

Call it a tax write off and chalk it up to a learning lession.... Pictures have nothing to do with this.... You will get the snake and know soon enough if it's a male or female....

I would state though that the refund will be minus $50 if the snake is shipped back and was in fact a female all along..... Do the right thing here buddy and put a smile back on this guys face.....
 
I would state though that the refund will be minus $50 if the snake is shipped back and was in fact a female all along..... Do the right thing here buddy and put a smile back on this guys face.....
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If the snake is shipped back, and probes to be a female IMO Neil it entitled to deduct shipping costs both ways.
 
Neil,
I feel your pain on this one. I had the very same thing happen to me and the animal was sexed several times by several highly qualified breeders. All came up with female except the guy I sold it to. He was inexperienced at sexing and in fact I taught him how to do it. It was around 6 months or so after the sale, well beyond any guarantee period, he contacted me and said he sexed it a male. Needless to say, I was caught off guard and we reached an amicable conclusion after bouncing several options around. I took his word over that of mine and the other breeders whom sexed it and refunded him part of what he paid for it. Unfortunately sexing the species I deal in, it is common to mis-sex males as females to prevent from doing any sort of spinal damage. He got a great snake albeit male and I regained a happy customer and friend. Sometimes its tough to do the right thing even when in your heart of hearts you could swear you are right.
 
I don't know what you guys are bitching about???.... I already offered to give him a refund if he can show me that's it's a male??.... Just take a picture of the peens and that will be that??.... Freddy.... I've done that a couple of times already.... I've missexed snakes with Damion Wyatt, with Carl Gilmore, Jordan Russell and maybe one or two others.... They were ALL (except one) given full refunds, and Jordan didn't tell me about it for 6 MONTHS!!.... The point is.... I KNOW what's ethical and moral, and I KNOW what's right and wrong.... if YOU do what's right.... I'LL do what's ethical....
Now.... let's SUPPOSE that the guy that did probe it male, made a mistake and injured the snake.... am I to just blindly accept the snake back on HIS word??.... IF my scenario is correct, I'd be stuck with a female that was incapable of breeding???.... That's the reason I INSIST on seeing a picture of the peens, BEFORE I will agree to a refund???.... I really don't think I'm out of line???

....Neil
 
Neil, look at what you are asking here... You want me to pop a year and a half old boa. I may not be the smartest bird in the tree, but I know that after a snake is over a couple months old, it can be very harmful to pop it. As for your refund, I am not asking for that, you satated that you gave me a chance , and I turned it down, why go against that? I don't want your money, just to open some eyes. There really shouldn't have been this problem in the first place, and now you have tried to twist it around, and make me out to be a bad guy. I am not asking you for anything. Just letting people know abut the experience i have had with you. That is what the BOI is for. I didn't want to post here, and even emailed webslave to see if I could have my good guy post retracted, and nobody would have known anything. couldn't do it. I could have taken your $50 hush money, but who is that gonna help? Anyway, at this time that is all I have to say, but anyone is more than welcome to email me about this at [email protected],
Also If there is anyone experienced in sexing boas in central california, I would be interested in having you take a look at her and see what you think.Thanks all.
Dave Giltner
 
One last thing, How can you say that you were not selling it as a female when you put 0.1 in the title of the ad? I shouldnt have to ask the sex if it is in the ad right?
Dave Giltner
 
Davey.... I don't know where you got the idea that I was calling you a bad guy???.... Where did that come from??.... I was only asking you for proof of gender before I gave you a refund??.... and, you've got it backwards.... probing or popping a snake UNDER one year old could be harmful.... whereas if the snake is OVER one year old, it might not be as easy to pop the peens, but it's a LOT safer for the snake because they now have some muscle control where they don't when they're younger.... and I did NOT sell the snake as a female boa.... I sold it as an ORANGE BOA.... it just HAPPENS to BE a female, so I put that info in the ad....
All I'm saying is that I think you handled this problem totally wrong!

....Neil
 
First off,,i just want to address the sexing issue...Here is how it goes...First off,,,if you are NOT experianced in popping,,DONT DO IT!!!
Second,,Emerald Tree Boas and Green Tree Pythons should never be sexed until they are OVER 1 YEAR OLD...You should NEVER buy a ETB or GTP under a year that has been sexed..Secondly,,it is very possible to pop snakes that are 1-2 years old and older...I sex all my snakes by popping((except baby GTP's or ETB's)),,and have never sold a mis-sexed animal.. Now you have to experianced at doing,,or you CAN hurt the snake...Just thought i would add my feelings on the sexing issue...
Jeff Lewis
 
Thank you Jeff for your response. I have not attempted to pop this snake, nor will I be doing so. I did however take it to an experienced herp shop owner who probed it. It is a male, and if i can get it to a vet this week sometime I will post results from testing here.
 
Second,,Emerald Tree Boas and Green Tree Pythons should never be sexed until they are OVER 1 YEAR OLD...You should NEVER buy a ETB or GTP under a year that has been sexed.
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Well said Jeff and all respectable owners of GTP's will concur on that issue. However, ETB's are a bit more full bodied at birth and less prone to vertebral damage during sexing. I know of many experienced breeders that will sex ETB's within the first 4 or 5 meals of life. Tony Nicoli comes to mind right off the bat and his reputation speaks vOLUMES for itself.

But to set the record straight the animal I was referring to was @ 4 years old and well beyond the 1 year suggested safe limit. Just wanted to clarify that fact incase anyone mis-took my post or my practices.
 
and I did NOT sell the snake as a female boa.... I sold it as an ORANGE BOA.... it just HAPPENS to BE a female, so I put that info in the ad....
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I don't quite understand this statement...if you stated it was a female in the ad, you sold it as a female boa.

Dave, I understand that you would be upset if you in fact received a male when you thought you were getting a female.
I still think you jumped the gun a bit with your post. I'm pretty sure Neil would have worked this out with you if you guys had communicated better beforehand. Anyone who sells in high numbers (as Neil does) will occasionally incorrectly sex an animal. This doesn't make someone a bad guy....we all make mistakes....that's human.
You say that an experienced pet shop owner sexed it as a male...but another experienced pet shop owner (Neil) sexed it as a female. I can understand that he is hesitant to take word of a stranger that may or may not be competent in sexing snakes.
It's obvious that if you received a male, Neil didn't intentionally screw you or purposely missex the snake.
If you were not satisfied with the original offer Neil gave you, you probably should have gave him a call or explained why you didn't think it was fair. Neil seems like the kind of guy that would take care of you if you guys had communicated better beforehand.
I don't believe that anyone is above a "bad guy" post but certain individuals who have proved themselves over a long period of time probably deserve the benefit of doubt before rushing to judgement.
Neither one of you seem like bad guys...Hope you guys work out your differences.
Chris Raden
 
By the time the snake was sexed it was well past the 24 hour limit Neil has for refunds .He did offer me $50 to ease my pain, but $50 would not ease anything. I still have this snake that has very very little value to me right now. I didn't buy it because I was looking for a pretty pet, It was purchased to breed to a male that I already have. I couldn't very well expect Neil to take the snake back for a refund and have him go against his own terms that are in very plain english. $50 is what I was offered, and I turned it down and came here. Only after that was I offered a full refund. What am I supposed to do now? I am only posting this for people who want to know what they are getting into. I'm not saying that Neil isn't trying pretty hard to please me now, just that if he did the right thing in the first place we wouldn't be talking about this now.
 
Tim,,,you are correct,,my fellow chondroholic...It is a little safer to sex ETB's at a younger age than GTP's...
Jeff
 
I don't much about using the BOI , and have gone to webslave before posting to ask questions a couple times, but I don't think this is the place to post info on sexing ETBs and GTP, maybe I am wrong though. I should have specified that the snake I bought is a redtailed boa.
 
In Neil's words, the boa was sold as an "orange boa that just happened to be a female". Dave actually seemed not to take so lightly the boa's sex, as he was specifically looking for a female to mate with his male. It seems it was just a misunderstanding. Let's hope they come to an agreement and solve this issue amicably.

Good night!
 
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