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Promised feeder toads after pressure sale of 14 baby eastern hognose ( only wanted one).

Never came up with toads, denies any responsibility in the death of the snakes.

Stated would be present at show at Hamburg, no show.

Anyone else have any experience with Mr. Nix of NGR.

spliskin
 
Well first off, if you didn't have the means to care for them, you shouldn't have purchased them...If they died because you did not feed them, that is your illresponsibility.

A little more information on the transaction could be provided. Proof that he agreed to give you feeding toads, what you have lost, what the original agreement was, etc.
 
Kevin,

Maybe you can explain the situation a little better. It seems you wanted to buy just one hognose. Did they convince you to buy the additional 13 reassuring you they will deliver them with the feeder toads?

Thanks.
 
spliskin said:
Promised feeder toads after pressure sale of 14 baby eastern hognose ( only wanted one).

Never came up with toads, denies any responsibility in the death of the snakes.

Stated would be present at show at Hamburg, no show.

Anyone else have any experience with Mr. Nix of NGR.

spliskin
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In terms of responsibility for the deaths of these snakes...I think that would depend greatly on how you prepared to care for them to begin with. You did not have the toads on hand, and obviously considering they died, you had no back up supplier or a back up to your back up either. Were you counting on your seller being able to provide you with feeder toads for the life of the animal? Now this might sound odd but....people die dude. They change their jobs and some change hobbies over time. With a specialty food item that can be tough to get....I just cant understand why you wouldn't have a backup source and another in the event your primary source ran dry.

Regardless of what this guy told you or how he strung you along....once you decide to purchase these snakes, in any quantity, you should have been completely prepared before they even arrived.

Like a zoo in the desert with no water supply. "hey how come the alligators are all dead?"..."why are the monkeys drinking their own urine?"...."why are the elephants sucking the sweat off the trainers?"

Gee I don't know......

*Sigh*
 
This is Adam Moller from New Generation Reptiles. I am Mr. Nix’s friend and business partner. We are under the same name but all of our deals are done separately. I have known about this deal from day one and there was no “promise” of feeder toads. Nix stated that he would “try” and get some feeder toads but would be charging for them. There were none paid for at the time of purchase so none were sent with the snakes. I also know that he tried to obtain feeder toads for this transaction. I toad collect often and every time I would return from a trip he would ask me if I had any small enough to feed baby hogs. Also, there are plenty of people, that aren’t hard to find, on the internet that sell feeder toads at very reasonable prices. If he had any interest in keeping those snakes alive they would still be alive. That is my opinion and it seams to be the general consciences of the rest of the people on this message board. With that being said, I would appreciate the ceasing of this unjustified and unrightful name tarnishing that is going on in this tread.

Also, just for a little more info on the transaction. Those snakes were purchased a little over three months ago and have just recently (within the past week) started to die. He had plenty of time to find feeder toads for them.
 
The only thing that seems pretty clear, and kind of by your own admission Adam, is that no one involved in this transaction had feeder toads prior to the sale or after the sale to sustain them.

Also...that your partner Mr. Nix was asking you if you just happened to come across any small feeder toads for these snakes obviously means both you and your partner weren't prepared to sustain them in the event they didn't sell.

If you should reply that you would have found another source for feeders....then why don't you be a sport and post those links to feeder toad suppliers, and perhaps post the email that you sent Kevin informing him where he could readily find them for sale on the internet in the event you couldn't collect any. Unless of course that is...Kevin never received an email from you guys which would bring us right back to....

NOBODY GAVE A GOOD FLOATER THAT THESE SNAKES HAD NO FOOD.

My God.....this business has more steamers in it than a porta-potty outside a major construction site.
 
I actually did have feeder toads while we had the snakes and they were being fed in Nix's care. feeder toads that small are very hard to find unless you are looking for them and I didn't have any babies snakes to feed so it was not on the top of my priority list.

Here is the first link that came up that has feeder toads for sale: www.naturecoastexotics.com. Im sure there are more out there but I am trying not to waist too much of my time on this thread but still rectify this sutuation.

I do not have an e-mail to post where I told Kevin where to find feeder toads because I have never e-mailed him. He had no idea I existed untill I posted that comment. I was just trying to help my buddy out and clear his/our name. Like I said in the earlier post, Mine and Nix's deals are done totaly seperate. He has his animals and I have mine. We help each other out when we can but we are still two seperate dealers under the same name.

Chuck,
You need to stop posting messages like "My God.....this business has more steamers in it than a porta-potty outside a major construction site." That is totaly uncalled for, you don't even know us. You are basing your intire opinion about us on one misscomunication. And again, I had nothing to do with this sale whatsoever. You can ask Kevin if you don't believe me.
 
Splskin,

Question: Was the person that twisted you arm to by these 14 Eastern Hognose suppost to supply you with baby toads for 1 feeding? 2 feedings? The life of the animals? When you realized you were not going to get toads did you make any effort to feed them? It takes a while to starve a snake to death. If you could not locate toads in your area you should have considered a species that eats mice IE western Hognose.

The death of those 14 Hognose is on your head. Shame on you.

Scott Sweeney
 
AMoller said:
Chuck,
You are basing your intire opinion about us on one misscomunication. And again, I had nothing to do with this sale whatsoever. You can ask Kevin if you don't believe me.
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I do not need to ask Kevin anything. By your own admission yet again...that missed communication of yours or total lack thereof has cost 14 snakes their lives.

You stated that your partner/buddy inquired with you about collecting toads for these snakes. Why would partner/buddy have asked you about that and why would you need to collect them if you had already been feeding them all along? Obviously you ran out and there was nothing to feed these snakes. Hence...it wouldn't matter if the customer paid for toads at the time of sale because neither of you could provide them at that time.

What I'm saying and which seems to allude you is....

If I were selling 14 snakes that fed exclusively on a specialty item that could be hard to find...I would be certain to apply some basic common sense and email my customer with some sources to ensure his success in rearing those snakes.

Thanks for the link to NCE but unless it was emailed to the customer who desperately needed them then we are back to FLOATERS AND STEAMERS yet again. AND... if NCE has them in stock why didn't your partner/buddy inquire about getting some for the 13 others that may not have been sold if the customer only bought one?

Look....lets just face the facts shall we? These snakes were dumped on a dumbell who cared about as much for them as the person who was selling them. Plain and simple...end of story.
 
Chuck,
We live in the upstate of SC and toads are very common here along with eastern hognose snakes. Just because he don't have toads in his immediate possession doesn't mean that they couldn't be found in a timely fashion an been able to keep them fed. if the frogs were still in Nix’s care him or myself would have made sure that they were fed and cared for. And even if I didn't, by your thought I am responsible for any and all animals that I happen to know about? These weren't my animals. Do you take car of all your friends animals on a regular basis. Is it your responsibility to feed your neighbor’s dog because the owner might not. That is a little ridiculous if you ask me. I do whatever I can do to help any animal that I know needs it but to say that I am responsible for them is absurd.

I'm not even arguing the fact that maybe Nix shouldn't have sold these snakes to a person that didn't have the direct means to take care of them. I'm just saying that that person shouldn't come on the internet and post a tread about how he was pressured into buying these snakes and that there was a promise that there would be feeders supplied. He hasn't shown any proof that feeders were promised. And if I could pressure someone into sending me money for stuff they didn't want I would be a millionaire. No one was holding a gun to Kevin's head telling him he has to buy all 14 of those snakes. If he can show proof of either of those events then maybe Nix is to blame. But until he does, Nix can not be held responsible for the death of those snakes.

This is the last post I will be submitting to this thread unless some one has something negative to say about me personally. Like I said from my very first post, this wasn't my deal and I was just trying to clarify a situation to help a friend out. I will let Nix know about this this thread and he can some settle this himself if he would like.

Thanks to everyone in this thread that agreed with me and I hope that everyone else finds out the truth about this transaction.
Adam
 
here is my rambling and convoluted .02 cents, sorry if it's lame...

While the actual seller should have provided links if he felt that the buyer had no idea how to care for and feed the hognoses, if i bought a messload of snakes that needed toads, i would have been asking the breeder for a links to online feeders and buying them online so they could have a nice dinner waiting for them, rather than expecting the breeder to find them for me for free or whatever.
Snakes can be difficult pain in the ass pets, and you need to be prepared to deal with the crap that comes with being an owner. i would hate to have force feed a snake, but you do what ya gotta do if that is what it takes.

Pressure is just pressure, it's not like you can't say, no i only need one hog, and i will go somewhere else if you don't want to sell a loner...

I did a google search for toad feeders for hognose. i got a site that recommended scenting pinkies with live anoles or toads, and from there search for taod scenting pinkies, here is what came up:

http://www.captivebredforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1342&sid=cd94e3db9e7cddeb13ed70058c911ad3

http://www.repticzone.com/caresheets/536.html

http://www.lihs.org/files/caresheets/sheet19.htm

http://forum.kingsnake.com/hybrid/messages/6214.html


I also read about how people scent pinks with anoles, toads or frogs, so i imagine you can buy a few of each and see if any seem to work. I know live pinks are a pain in the ass, but that is why you setup breeder mice if your snake won't take FT. Depending on where you live, you can find american toads in the wild ans keep them as a Scenter for other prey, even if the toad is large, it isn't hard to get the buggers to piss all on you if you tick them off, so at least that part is easy-that or rubbing a pink all over the guy.
I'm not going to judge the buyer because he may have been in a wierd situation, but I also don't think that there were no options for him to try either-unless he did try all these and they failed, wherein which i am very sorry- i understand the frustration of trying everything you can to get a snake to feed... :(
 
I have bought items from both Jonathan Nix and Adam Moller. I have never had a problem with anything that I got from either of them. Then again, I don't buy animals that I can't already take care of. Never buy something that you don't already have feeders/containers/etc. After that first week of not receiving toads it's time to take things into your own hands. It upsets me a lot that these animals died for no reason. Obviously from some previous posts it is not impossible to find feeder toads.
 
Ok, so you expected them to "get you started". Understandable, probably. But how does this explain the fact that you LET THEM STARVE TO DEATH when they didn't come through as you expected????
 
Ok, let's say that Jonathan did say he would send you frogs....for whatever reason he didn't. You bought these animals, it's your responsiblity to care for them. I find it disturbing that you just sat around waiting for frogs and watching the snakes starve.

Niki-WestExHerps
 
I agree. Johnathan said today that the Hogs were shipped on June 30th. I can't believe anyone would wait that long to try and locate food for their own animals.

I don't understand why Adam is being slammed on this thread. I've done alot of business with both Adam and Johnathan, and like Adam stated...They are both under the same name (NGR), but each have their own animals.

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Is there any record, an invoice, an email, anything at all in regards to the sale of these hognoses and what was or was not included in that sale?

If not, then it's all a bunch of he said/she said.

We all know what a pound of nice ripe hesaidshesaid is worth, don't we?
 
Lets SET IT STRAIGHT

Ok I stated to that gentleman I would TRY to catch him some toads and I went toad hunting several times. Also no one can force anyone to purchase any animals. I would also refund any money if an animal i sold died in a resonable time frame such as a week or maybe two. Several months is not a resonable time frame. All the animals were healthy and feeding on Toads. You can order feeder toads all day long. Lets discuss the deal He purchased 14 CB Eastern Hognoses for like 180.00 Its not like he was robbed on the price. So anyone that has replied to this thread put your self in my shoes if you sold them and they were healthy and feeding and the person who purchased them from you starved them to death would you refund the money. SO on a side note everyone needs to be mad at him for starving them to death and ALL SO IT IS A KNOWN FACT 90% OF EASTERN HOGNOSES ARE TOAD EATERS. Also he knows that because he owns one. I still have the emails were I stated I will TRY TO CATCH YOU SOME TOADS not promised if that is needed.
 
Ok I stated to that gentleman I would TRY to catch him some toads and I went toad hunting several times. Also no one can force anyone to purchase any animals. I would also refund any money if an animal i sold died in a resonable time frame such as a week or maybe two. Several months is not a resonable time frame. All the animals were healthy and feeding on Toads. You can order feeder toads all day long. Lets discuss the deal He purchased 14 CB Eastern Hognoses for like 180.00 Its not like he was robbed on the price. So anyone that has replied to this thread put your self in my shoes if you sold them and they were healthy and feeding and the person who purchased them from you starved them to death would you refund the money. SO on a side note everyone needs to be mad at him for starving them to death and ALL SO IT IS A KNOWN FACT 90% OF EASTERN HOGNOSES ARE TOAD EATERS. Also he knows that because he owns one. I still have the emails were I stated I will TRY TO CATCH YOU SOME TOADS not promised if that is needed.
 
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