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New Japanese silver patternless morph(Silverback)

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These guys are some of the first I produced, and still in the process of changing. The orange hypo/silver was solid orange up until about 2 months of age. The tail starts to change first, then back legs, front legs, torso, and lastly the head. The transluscent/silver was a yellow trans before he started to change. The transluscent gene removes white, and the silverback gene produces white/silver. As these two and others get bigger, I will post more pics. Enjoy!

Josh
 

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Thanks ED:)

I'm learning about this morph as I go along. When I aquired the origional silverback from Japan, he was about the same size as these two males. I was told he was about a year old. These guys are a little over 6 months old. The female(het silverback) I posted here a while back that looks pied, is now lavender/purple where she was white. A similar color to the silverback, but lighter because she is hypo. These may start off this white color until it covers their whole body, then change to silver.

Josh
 
They look great Josh. Very interesting that they 'lose' colour/pattern with time. This is definately a topic for genetics post graduate studies... Do they get 'lighter' after each shed or is it not dependant on the shedding?

We have hatched our first Witblits patternless for the season last week and our Witblits x OGG are hatching at this moment. Cant wait to see what comes of them.

Cheers

Jacques
 
Thanks everyone for the complements:)

Jaques- It looks like they turn white first, then silver. The color comes in even when the dragon hasn't shed out, but shedding does speed up the development for sure. When I put your witblits and the silverback side by side, they look like the exact same morph.

Josh
 
pdragon said:
Thanks everyone for the complements:)

Jaques- It looks like they turn white first, then silver. The color comes in even when the dragon hasn't shed out, but shedding does speed up the development for sure. When I put your witblits and the silverback side by side, they look like the exact same morph.

Josh
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I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of that :) Personally I'm more excited about the witblits, than the silverbacks. It just seems like there will be more potential, sense silverbacks sound like they just wash right over any color. Of course witblits might do that same thing, but sense they seem to have different shades it makes me think maybe they can be colored. Dunners dont really seem very cool to me at this point, but hopefully there is a super. I think beardie lovers have been needing some new morphs to pop up for a while now. I'm guessing bloodbanks pied turned out not to be genetic? Seems like we would have heard about some babies produced by now if it was genetic. I love pied animals, so I was really hoping they would get produced. I dont know who all bought witblits, but hopefully someone gets some babies produced in the states. I wonder what all will be around 20-30 years from now. albino, melanistic, marbled, striped, probably all kinds of stuff. To bad australia wont let us export oddballs from the wild to speed things up :(
 
I wouldn't jump the gun quite yet:) These morphs are still so new, we still have a ways before we will figure them out. Silverbacks by themselves may not be too impressive, but combined with other morphs, could unlock something new. I see potential with hypo silverbacks, possibly making a solid lavender/purple patternless dragon.

Now there is a third patternless morph called "zero's". I think these have the most potential because they look like a witblits with dark/partial eyes.

If I still had my witblits, I would definately post a pic of the two side by side. Witblits still need some work. I had issues in the past with my eggs not hatching. I aquired some new hets from another breeder that I will be combining with my hets in the near future. I want to make witblits as best as I can, before I start selling them. It took me 5 years of working with transluscents before I got them in the right directon.

Josh
 
I cant find anything online about zeros. Only someones beardie that is named zero. Do you have a link to anything about them, or haven't they even got that far yet to be posted about anywhere?

Good luck with the het pieds. I want pieds to happen so bad its not even funny.
 
are they sure its a genetic thing with the zero? The only thread/picuture I saw sounded like he just bought a silver traslucent from someone. Also, you can see darker areas down both sides of the back where the circle pattern thingies often are on beardies. This beardie shows what circle things I'm talking about. the lighter bits on this girls back http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291805
 
Hi guys

A few months ago someone from Germany sent me some pics of the Zero's. On the pics I received one could clearly see that they were not truly patternless! The sub-orbital stripe is clearly visible and the mottled back is quite obvious. I am sure that these would end up going patternless as they grow older. Just like the leucistics and Silverbacks.

I was asked if these were Witblits. I said that they are not, since Witblits is truly patternless from day 1! My comment was that they are Silverbacks (I made this conclusion from the comments I have heard about Silverbacks, I have never seen one in real life). I might be totally wrong about them being Silverbacks.

Josh perhaps you could comment whether they look more like Silverbacks sincew you have seen both Witblits and Silverbacks? They definately are not Witblits!

I heard a story that the Silverbacks (more correctly known as the Japanese Silverbacks) were actualy produced for the first time in Germany back in 2006/2007 and not actualy in Japan.

This would explain why a similar looking morph popped out in Gemany as those genes have lurked around for quite a while).

I see the post on the Kingsnake forum is made by 'ghostdragons'. I know the breeder from Ghost Dragons in Germany. If they are one and the same then I will contact him and ask for more info.

From what I heard is that the original breeder of the Zero's (He goes by the name 'Milo', I think) bred these by pure chance. Just like my Witblits, and most other morphs... He has no history or whereabouts of the parents of them. Apparantly he incubated a batch of eggs for someone and these popped out. It is also not yet proven of they are genetic or not.

It would be great for the patternless gene pool if these are the same mutation as Silverbacks (but not related) or at least compatible with Witblits. This morph holds great potential nontheless! Only thing is the price of the patternless dragons will drop quite quickly now.

We will have to work on a new mutation. My plans are to go for a solid pitch black dragon!
 
I love all of the new and exciting mutations! I have to say that so far I like the Witblits the most.
 
Honestly, zero's look more like witblits, just with dark/partial dark eyes. I was told the opposite, that zero's hatch completely patternless out of the egg. All three of these patternless could be/not be compatible, or you may get a completely different result combining them together. Time will tell on these guys. There needs to be some future breedings done to see what is going on with them.

Silverbacks have been around longer than 2006-2007 in Japan.

Josh
 
Kelli- It's crazy how many dragon mutations have popped up recently. Dragons are moving very quickly.

Josh
 
Kelli- It's crazy how many dragon mutations have popped up recently. Dragons are moving very quickly.

Josh
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I agree with your statement, but was curious as to how you think this will affect the future of bearded dragons and their market? Do you think that they will end up as ball pythons have with a plethora of genetic mutations being mixed together with a large percentage of the hobby keeping different morphs? Or similar to what has happened to hypos, translucents, and leatherbacks, with their prices leveling out relatively quickly (within 10 or so years I believe)?
 
All of the new morphs have made breeding exciting again for me. After 18 years of breeding bearded dragons, I was getting kind of bored...I have not been this stoked in a long time. Now there are a few newer recessive traits & dominant/co-dom traits, and the whole thing is really interesting for me. For the first time in a while, I can't wait to get up in the morning and look in the incubator! I'm anxious to get to the Super Show next month and see some of the new stuff...hopefully Josh won't be holding out :D
 
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