NOTE... THIS GOT POSTED IN THE MHD 7 WEEK HATCHINGS THREAD AND A COUPLE RESPONSES WERE POSTED THERE TOO. JUST WANTED TO MOVE IT TO THE PROPER PLACE IN CASE OTHERS WERE FOLLOWING ALONG...
OK vets............. Well as you know we went to the one near us. I think neither of us were too impressed. Well Ok maybe annoyed...he was pretty reluctant to actually do much. He didn't know the counts on the parasites, called back to the tech to see if she remembered! Then just said they were all too high to count. I don't know why they wanted us to come in!! We had to ask twice for him to go ahead and dose her while we were there. He pretty much said no the first time..! we finally were saying look she's here now,, lets get some meds in her!! Please! We asked many questions most of which he was pretty vague about. He didn't bother to really even try to be serious about giving us dosing amounts etc..He did check her (skin pull) for dehydration said she was a little but overall not to badly dehydrated at this point. He did weigh her. AND GOOD NEWS we must be doing something right cause she went from 61 to 68 this week. i thought maybe his scale was off or something but we weighed her tonight and she was 67.>>> THAT was right after she just did an enormous poo! Hooray! Finally! ( Happy about poo, seems so wrong! Lol) So we figured his scale was right on. we checked ours w/ nickels and it was right on too. She actually is showing the slightest bit of greenish tint back . She had sort of an olive greenish color around her collar going down over her shoulders and just a touch of it on her front legs when we first got her. We hadn't seen that since around the third day of arrival. She seems brighter in her eyes too.
Anyway we did get a couple tubes which have made the feeding thing sooo much easier for us and her. i can do it by myself in the am if I need to now .
I slipped her in a little black walnut/wormwood combo last night hoping it would do the trick and get her to go to bathroom. I was getting to the point if she didn't I was afraid to pump anymore food into her! So tonight when we got home was a nice surprise for us. So I got to feed her .
I gave her 2cc. of the carnivore diet, w/ the slightest amount of walnut/wormwood mixed in it , goldenseal, and a bit of multi vitamins and d3. I've been putting a little grapefruit seed extract daily for this week . AND 2 feedings they had some aloe juice, hoping to sooth her gut a little . That was before the vet. I usually give her a little spritz from my nasal mister of ionic silver, on her lips and just little into her mouth after feedings to help keep her mouth from getting infected or anything from all the abrasion of the force feeding. So far so good. it probably helps sooth her throat too if the tube is rubbing it any.
Anyway too bad the meds from the breeder didn't get here yet. Cause she was supposed to have some more meds the next two days in a row. Although its kind of OK in a way. because the vet wasn't clear about how much he gave her of any of the three meds!
The grapfruit seed extract, and goldenseal, and walnut/ wormwood mix are all things that kill parasites and help the body to eliminate them. So she's been getting that ever since . I'm hoping that will keep the numbers from ramping right back up real fast until we can resume treatment.
ANYWAY>>>
he finally said at one point well you can probably get more and better info. from people who are breeding them. he said he'd only seen about 6 or 7 of them ,,altho he thought this one looked really good and way better then any of the others he'd seen. ...Honest I guess ...But then followed that up w/... " you know honestly they all die" .............. He was sooo just UN motivated to help in a way. His staff was all excited and wanted to see the lizard, one picked her up and adored her for a moment etc.. But we were definitely on our own if we wanted dosing info. Among other things. And when we asked about the doses he did ,well he agreed to the amounts after Sylvia figured them out . We asked what about for the beardy. he said well I'd have to know her weight ,,we told him her weight ,and we got really no response w/ out further nagging. And since beardy is 125 and Montana is 67 he said just double it. And he was done. You know We remember wondering what the point was going to be to see the vet... but he did dose her which I wanted , I didn't want to wait any longer.
This is what he said about that aquarium verses the open air cage theory we keep hearing,, "That like Chameleons they need more moving air -being from the mountains. That chameleons can die from stagnant air after a long enough period. ,,, Also he said he didn't nec. agree w/ the intermitant dosing of panacur and or Albon that breeders do. He said its just killing the small ones and leaving the big ones and building resistance. I know thats true of Antibiotics. But these aren't Antibiotics ? Any Thoughts on that theory?????????? Anybody!
Then the vet from the St. Louis Show ( will Pm some thing about that) returned my call this am. By now I didn't have much to ask him anymore! But he basically repeated that theory.about the open air thing.. So apparently its a theory being passed around.
When we take things out of nature we don't know what exactly they really really eat or incidentally ingest, etc.. Many animals tend to eat or expose themselves regularly to very specific things that work as a medicine for them or a maintenance/and or prevention of parasites, or other sickness. Obviously they get and carry parasites in the wild but what keeps them all from dying from it? (I know stressing them /IE:weakens the immune system and all that and lets the little parasites get the upper hand etc..) But still you have to wonder. Its like the Hyacinth Macaws going to the side of river beds to eat chunks of clay, to cleanse or nuetralize the toxins from some of the poisonous and rotten foods they eat. I just wonder if the intermittant dosing w/ panacur etc.. might be working kind of like that just keeping the parasites to a liveable number. Maybe they have a natural remedy in nature we just don't know about that does the same thing.
When we get the meds , its supposed to have dosing info w/ it. So hopefully it will. But we may prey upon you's for assistance or double checking in that area. It scares us! Well, more me! I couldn't be more right brained if I tried sometimes! Numbers give me headaches, or the runs, or something... LOL..
Do you use parazap? it seems like a great thing. Also we saw some new stuff on the videos from the Daytona show ..that has I think (have to recheck) panacure and albon impregnated in food pellets . I read some different things about the parazap, people seem to be super happy about it. Saying their animals growth rates are amazingly better and diff. then the same age of lizards that don't get it. That their color, and appetites are better ,that they just generally get a lot bigger overall. The breeder says its good stuff, I guess its also advertised on the "Beautiful dragons" sight.
I've been giving the Beardy the same mixture of herbal things also to cut down her parasites. I haven't been seeing anymore blood for many days now.
We will have some comparison's to do when we get the breeders dosing. This vet said to give some stuff a lot more often and for longer duration then any of the books say, we have that Klingenberg book. (understanding reptile parasites) I would be more explicit but I don't know where the paper w/ the info is right now and don't remember which etc.. Goodnight G..
