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so my parents have had boas before so care and supplies and everything i pretty much got covered..

but now that i actually got my snake i figured i should learn what he is..

BORN FROM A KAHL ALBINO X SALMON HET KAHL ALBINO.

im curious what kahl is? i know its like not compatible with sharp strains? but what part of the species is sharp or kahl? and isnt t+ another ?

also curious what het means? ive seen anywhere from triple het to 66% het and idk what exactly its referring too.

and then what is a kahl albino? would that be a snake that wasnt named like a salmon or red tail?

idk all these questions may seem like newb questions but ive tried searching around a bit without finding what im looking for so i figured itd be easier to just come here and ask.

any help is appreciated, links or pictures are even better :yesnod:
 
:thumbsup: Welcome!

so my parents have had boas before so care and supplies and everything i pretty much got covered..
Old and outdated stuff can be dangerous,double check everything
and get up to speed on BCI husbandry

but now that i actually got my snake i figured i should learn what he is..

BORN FROM A KAHL ALBINO X SALMON HET KAHL ALBINO.
Does it look albino or hypo or wild type(normal)?

im curious what kahl is? i know its like not compatible with sharp strains? but what part of the species is sharp or kahl? and isnt t+ another ?
Kahl is named after the founder Pete Kahl
Kahl and Sharp are reconized albino strains
No comment on the T+,research it more and come to your own conclusions

also curious what het means? ive seen anywhere from triple het to 66% het and idk what exactly its referring too.

Het is a marketing term used to inflate product value,they are either het
for the gene or they are not,also research this and come to your own conclusion.(I gave mine)

and then what is a kahl albino? would that be a snake that wasnt named like a salmon or red tail?
Again,after Pete Kahl

idk all these questions may seem like newb questions but ive tried searching around a bit without finding what im looking for so i figured itd be easier to just come here and ask.

Cant possibly learn anything in a day,even if you could the lack of experience only leaves you with knowledge.
Knowledge with out application puts you back at square one.

any help is appreciated, links or pictures are even better :yesnod:
 
im curious what kahl is? i know its like not compatible with sharp strains?

Kahl is also known as the original strain of albino. There are two albino strains, not including the T+ (tyronese positive), and it's thought sharp strain may be a t+ because t+ x sharp creates a phenotype called paradigm, I won't get too much into that because there are other people that know more about it than I do. There is a ton of great info about them here: http://www.basicallyboas.com/secret.html

I don't want to confuse you, so I am only going to talk about sharp and kahl.

A breeder named Peter Kahl (http://www.pkreptiles.com/) purchased one of the first albino boas that were imported from Colombia. You can read about the history here: http://www.pkreptiles.com/informationterms/articles/albinoboas.asp

He was able to breed that boa to a normal female creating hets since albino is a recessive gene. He went on to prove out the gene creating the first captive born albino boas. Descendent of those boas are known as original strain or Kahl strain.

Later on, another breeder named Brian Sharp (http://www.briansharp.com/) got his hands on another imported albino. He proved her out and it turned out that his strain of albino was not compatible with the kahl strain. So those boas are called sharp strain. There is a history of the sharp strains here:
http://www.blumenboas.com/sharpstrain.htm

So there is your Albino Boa 101.
:)

also curious what het means?

Het means heterogeneous and describes the genetic inheritance of certain trains that can be either recessive, dominant or co-dominant. instead of me trying to stumble and explain this stuff, check out this link:
http://www.vmsherp.com/LCGenetics101.htm

and then what is a kahl albino? would that be a snake that wasnt named like a salmon or red tail?

Now you know what a kahl is, an albino. Salmon is a line of hypomelenistic boas (hypo boas). The salmon line was established by a breeder named Rich Ihle (http://www.salmonboa.com/) and you can read about the history of the salmon boas here: http://www.salmonboa.com/about.html There are other lines of hypo boas, the other main line is orange tail (OT). A lot of people have worked with hypos through selective breeding to create their own lines like abbys, cherrys, etc. Basically a salmon boa is a hypo boa.

Now when you say 'red tail'.. well there's a mess. Most boas you see in the trade are Colombian boas or Central American boas, also known as 'common boas'. In the pet stores, they are sold as 'red tail boas' simply because it sounds nicer than common boa. These boas fall under the species name: Boa Constrictor imperator (BCi). There are another group of boas under the species name: Boa Constrictor constrictor (BCc) and these are known as "True Red Tail boas" and include boas from the locations of Surinam, Guyana, Peru, Brazil, etc. So 'red tail' isn't a morph or type of boa unless you are talking about BCc. These two subspecies can be interbred but usually that is avoided. You can read more here: http://www.boa-constrictors.com/en/Boa_constrictor_subspecies

There are also insular island localities of BCi, like hog isle, crawl cay, etc, you can read more about those here: http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/boas_island.htm

Has your brain exploded yet?
:D

So back to your original question:
BORN FROM A KAHL ALBINO X SALMON HET KAHL ALBINO.

what does your boa look like? One of the parents was an albino and the other was a hypo that carried the recessive albino gene. So the babies would be either sunglows (expressing both of the hypo and albino trait), hypos, albinos or normals. If you have a photo, I'm sure we could help you figure out which type you have.

Hope this info helps! Enjoy your new boa!
-April
 
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damnn thats a lot of info.
ill deff check some of those links out
EXTREMELY APPRECIATED :D

as far as a picture
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any more info anyone has will be appreciated


final question of what i might call him?
a kahl het hypo albino?? born from a kahl albino x salmon het kahl albino
 
DH means Double Het. Because it carries the visual hypo gene, and one copy of the recessive albino trait (need 2 copys of the gene to be a visual albino) It's known as a "double het sunglow"

a sunglow, is a visual albino and the hypo trait combined.
 
You can leave in the name Kahl if you want, but that's just specifying the strain of albino that it is.

Also, het isn't a marketing strategy so a person can make more money. Poss het isn't a marketing strategy either. Since there are litters where all the phenotypically "normal" animals are not hets, but 50-66% of them are, they are in fact, possible hets.

Chris
 
DH sunglow is actually a somewhat confusing term, when you first look at it.
DH - double het - says that it is heterozygous for two things. The albino is easy - one parent was a visual albino, so all of the babies in the litter are het albinos. The double part doesn't make sense - it is a quirk of the boa breeders (because that terminology in similar circumstances is not used with other species - but that's okay; because many other species have their own naming anomolies that don't make sense to breeders of different types). Hypo is an incomplete dominant trait in boas, not recessive....but there is a heterozygous form. That would be your snake - it received the hypomelanistic trait from one parent. If both parents had contributed that trait, it would make a homozygous - or super - hypo.

Actually, I don't think it is "okay"...it makes genetics, and understanding morphs unnecessarily confusing when somebody uses a name that is already accepted as meaning one thing to label something else. ie "ghost" was the combination of hypomelanism and anerythrism in snakes long before that name was applied to the BP and bullsnake morphs that are not that combination. (Admittedly, those groups have started to see the light, and have begun moving toward correction...but the misnomers are still commonly used)
 
It helps to understand that "het" does not mean a hidden trait as it is commonly used in the hobby. Het means "literally" that the two genes paired together are NOT identical genes. Your Hypo gene is paired with a WT (Normal) gene, and the albino part is paired with a normal gene somewhere else in the chromosome, so it is het at two loci.

I think. My mind ain't been too focused lately and I've popped out a few blunders. LOL
 
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