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Bad Guy Nicole Norton (Howlin Gale' Dragons)

First off i sent you a pm notifying you of this BOI matter

also the only "slip" you put in the box was your biz card

where did i state i wanted my money back i simply wanted to return your dragon no big deal and yes i got some nice looking yellows out of the clutch but was expecting so much more.

fordgalaxy500 8:46 am
(8:46:47 AM): he sired ONE clutch for me out of a Het Hypo female I ha daround 6-7 Hypo babies

Heck I did not Guarantee his Hypo side I only told you I had two clutches sired by him from het hypos females and I got hypos in both.

you told me 1 now your telling me 2 females

Yes i did say kiss my a$$ because i got taken and i had a right to voice well in this case type my opinion
 
Nicole, Nicole, Nicole,

You stepped this up by sending Paul an IM about "destroying" him. You didn't think he would post it? Now look who's business is destroyed>Yours. Most people gave you a chance after the Ed debacle and you showed your true colors.
I'm thinking that Ed broke up with you, not the other way around.

Randal Berry
 
Paul, when did you purchase the dragon? Did you by chance save a copy of Nicole's ad?
Did she, in fact, include a written disclaimer as to his "probable" genetics?
I purchased this dragon on sept 11 09, no at the time i did not know you could save ads and to be honest i can't remember what the ad said word for word. Only thing that came in the box was her business card.
 
Please destroy me i have a lot of friends on here to back me up.

I conduct business in what i like to think a proper manor and my customers love me for it.
 
Yeah, I figured as much, Paul (re: just the business card).
That Nicole would suddenly start including genetics disclaimers with a shipment did seem a stretch.

Kinda like the, "he sired ONE clutch" ... "I only told you I had two clutches sired by him".

And, Nicole ... just for future reference ... I don't think you intimidate ANYONE with your threatening emails/PM's. He's not an idiot posting a BOI thread about you. YOU are the only one who continually makes YOU look immature and unprofessional. Nicole "pass the buck" Norton.
 
Nicole, I'm not going to bash you as I'm sure there will be plenty of that to come.You should really take a min. to think before you respond to people be it in a PM , e-mail, w/e.Try to not be so damn defensive all the time and maybe take an offensive stand for a change.

You get all up in arms about Paul wanting his money back and he never once stated that.The best thing for you to have done in this situation is take a deep breath,think threw the whole situation and try to come to reasonable agreement with Paul.(Myself, I would refund him his money)Your business decisions are yours and yours only,but don't you think if you made this right by Paul he would do business w/you in the future and quite possibly spend a great deal of money with you.

Your "The whole worlds out to get me" Defensive attitude sucks for lack of a better term and is probally costing you more than you know.

He bought a dragon to breed out the genetics.First clutch he got nothing so he tried again with the same results.He didn't get what he paid for regardless of when he purchased it( takes time to breed them ya know)the genetics he paid for didn't prove out.

Doesn't matter what he was sold to you as, YOU sold him that dragon.Maybe you should sit back and think about it from Pauls perspective and then work something out with Paul.
 
Really Paul your are being this immature and you can't even tell someone you put a BOI up? :NoNo: A friend of mine called and told me

Well this is simple this will be a single post I will have nothing to do with this little temper tantrum as Paul has proved to me the he is unable to act like an adult and he expects me to give him his money back on a dragon that he fully knew everything on,has had for a LONG time, and re sold? I Don't think so I NEVER Guaranteed he would produce Translucent's because I had NO Translucent or Het Translucent's Females to prove it and I told you right out before hand that I would NOT Guarantee his Translucent side to you because of this. Do you think I would have sold him to you as cheap as I did if I told you I proved both sides of his genetics out? Heck No!

Paul bought a Yellow Double Het Male from me he has been throwing tantrums over it all a sudden for the past week funny part is all he could do was tell me how wonderful the dragons babies are. Now he is saying I lied about genetics because it isn't producing Translucent's well guess what Paul he was sold to you EXACTLY as he was sold to me a Yellow Double Het he proved out his Hypo said for me TWICE to Het Hypo females I did not have Translucent's at the time thus making it impossible for me to prove the Trans and you where CLEARLY Told this. I told you that he was sold to me as a Yellow Double het that he produced Hypos both times I bred him to my Het Hypo females that I can not tell you if he would or would not reproduce the Translucent gene as I was unable to prove it with the females I had at the time.

It is very simple Paul you where told exactly what he was exactly what he produced for me and that I did not know how strong his Translucent side was as I never had a chance to prove it. I am sorry you must act this over this you had full disclosure on the dragon you told me you understood that I was unable to prove both het lines out due to females I had at the time and you said that was fine and you purchased him. I find it funny that now WAY past you having him and having bred him many times as you have told me that you want to try to start something? Fishy


YOU WHERE GIVEN NO GUARANTEE WHAT SO EVER THAT HE WOULD REPRODUCE HIS TRANSLUCENT SIDE

Heck I did not Guarantee his Hypo side I only told you I had two clutches sired by him from het hypos females and I got hypos in both.


Also I never said I got him from Dragonz Whispesr nice try though I bought him from a friend :rofl: NOT a pet store who got him from Dragonz Whispers she bought him from a clutch produced by two Belgium Hypo Translucent's do you enjoy twisting peoples words around and lying to others like Dragonz Whispers about it? :NoNo:


Also why don't you tell everyone about the foul language? Telling me to Kiss your @$$ and what not you seem to leave that out; very convenient. :rofl:

It's simple Paul you are just having a tantrum over something you know you have no right to you are pounding your chest and venting on the BOI, Why? What do you have to gain by lying to everyone?



Don't Worry Tinman I did turn over a new leaf this is a bunch of hooey started by Paul because I will not bend over backwards and give him money when he knew what he was getting :rolleyes:, I even put a SLIP in the box that came with the dragon as I do with many with a listing of Guarantees. The slip was along these lines also at the time I had a different health/satisfaction guarantee

Dragon: Drago
Genetics: Yellow Double Het (Probable)

Guarantees

- 72 Hour Health
- 48 Hour Satisfaction
- I can not Guarantee This dragon will reproduce his lines as he was sold to me as a double het I did not breed this dragon myself.

If you have any questions or concerns please contact me at [email protected] or call my Cell.


When I sell a dragon I did not breed myself I make it VERY Clear on all packing slips.


I've said my part this is all I have to say Paul is twisting everything around to suit his needs and try to make me look bad. Paul seriously you know your lying through your teeth dose it make you feel better to do so? :rolleyes:

So after the first b.s paragraph i decided to stop reading what you typed. kinda like when i stopped listening to you on the phone and i said i had to go just so i could stop talking to your LYING BUTT!!!

There is no temper tantrum here. The man bought a yellow double het. No "poss het" here is there???that you supposedly proved out. SO look ed clark junior. Paul produced multiple clutches from that male. Crossed him to trans het hypo and double het females. and produced no hypos and no translucents... SO whats the deal with that. AND then how you handled the situation LMAO. new leaf my rear end.
I THINK Paul handled the situation quite maturely. I mean how many times does he have to cross your b.s. double het, to other dragons and not produce a single visible trait.
Damn Nicole you could have offered him a hypo trans or hypo het trans, OR SOMETHING. you didnt offer to make it right, you basically told him to pee off, didnt you?
So whats getting destroyed on the b.o.i.??? YOUR REPUTATION AGAIN!!!

LOL you though he was going to get destroyed on the b.o.i., for what???? Posting a thread he should have along time ago?!!! The people who are in the right, usually dont get slammed. Why do you think people are always jumping on your butt??? because your in the wrong. you have been on the b.o.i. 4 times this year. starting with Justin, then Sheena, then ed now with paul.... hum...HUM.....HUM.......

anyone see a repeat pattern????
 
I purchased this dragon on sept 11 09, no at the time i did not know you could save ads and to be honest i can't remember what the ad said word for word. Only thing that came in the box was her business card.

One of the mods may be able to find it even if its deleted i think??? i know Harold un deleted a classified ad in one of nicole or ed's bad guy thread.
 
Nicole, I'm not going to bash you as I'm sure there will be plenty of that to come.You should really take a min. to think before you respond to people be it in a PM , e-mail, w/e.Try to not be so damn defensive all the time and maybe take an offensive stand for a change.

You get all up in arms about Paul wanting his money back and he never once stated that.The best thing for you to have done in this situation is take a deep breath,think threw the whole situation and try to come to reasonable agreement with Paul.(Myself, I would refund him his money)Your business decisions are yours and yours only,but don't you think if you made this right by Paul he would do business w/you in the future and quite possibly spend a great deal of money with you.

Your "The whole worlds out to get me" Defensive attitude sucks for lack of a better term and is probally costing you more than you know.[/QUOTE]

He bought a dragon to breed out the genetics.First clutch he got nothing so he tried again with the same results.He didn't get what he paid for regardless of when he purchased it( takes time to breed them ya know)the genetics he paid for didn't prove out.

Thats right he didnt wanna call you a LIAR, which you are! He tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and waited to hatch more dragons, so he knew when he called you out, it was for certain!!! I knew it was b.s. when he let you know the FIRST time and your response was he was sold to me that way and that's how i am selling it? Then you told him, " you bought a good young breeder. i sold you a good breeder so thats, that!
Doesn't matter what he was sold to you as, YOU sold him that dragon.Maybe you should sit back and think about it from Pauls perspective and then work something out with Paul.

:iagree:
 
Really Paul your are being this immature and you can't even tell someone you put a BOI up? :NoNo: A friend of mine called and told me

Well this is simple this will be a single post I will have nothing to do with this little temper tantrum as Paul has proved to me the he is unable to act like an adult and he expects me to give him his money back on a dragon that he fully knew everything on,has had for a LONG time, and re sold? I Don't think so I NEVER Guaranteed he would produce Translucent's because I had NO Translucent or Het Translucent's Females to prove it and I told you right out before hand that I would NOT Guarantee his Translucent side to you because of this. Do you think I would have sold him to you as cheap as I did if I told you I proved both sides of his genetics out? Heck No!

Paul bought a Yellow Double Het Male from me he has been throwing tantrums over it all a sudden for the past week funny part is all he could do was tell me how wonderful the dragons babies are. Now he is saying I lied about genetics because it isn't producing Translucent's well guess what Paul he was sold to you EXACTLY as he was sold to me a Yellow Double Het he proved out his Hypo said for me TWICE to Het Hypo females I did not have Translucent's at the time thus making it impossible for me to prove the Trans and you where CLEARLY Told this. I told you that he was sold to me as a Yellow Double het that he produced Hypos both times I bred him to my Het Hypo females that I can not tell you if he would or would not reproduce the Translucent gene as I was unable to prove it with the females I had at the time.

It is very simple Paul you where told exactly what he was exactly what he produced for me and that I did not know how strong his Translucent side was as I never had a chance to prove it. I am sorry you must act this over this you had full disclosure on the dragon you told me you understood that I was unable to prove both het lines out due to females I had at the time and you said that was fine and you purchased him. I find it funny that now WAY past you having him and having bred him many times as you have told me that you want to try to start something? Fishy


YOU WHERE GIVEN NO GUARANTEE WHAT SO EVER THAT HE WOULD REPRODUCE HIS TRANSLUCENT SIDE

Heck I did not Guarantee his Hypo side I only told you I had two clutches sired by him from het hypos females and I got hypos in both.


Also I never said I got him from Dragonz Whispesr nice try though I bought him from a friend :rofl: NOT a pet store who got him from Dragonz Whispers she bought him from a clutch produced by two Belgium Hypo Translucent's do you enjoy twisting peoples words around and lying to others like Dragonz Whispers about it? :NoNo:


Also why don't you tell everyone about the foul language? Telling me to Kiss your @$$ and what not you seem to leave that out; very convenient. :rofl:

It's simple Paul you are just having a tantrum over something you know you have no right to you are pounding your chest and venting on the BOI, Why? What do you have to gain by lying to everyone?



Don't Worry Tinman I did turn over a new leaf this is a bunch of hooey started by Paul because I will not bend over backwards and give him money when he knew what he was getting :rolleyes:, I even put a SLIP in the box that came with the dragon as I do with many with a listing of Guarantees. The slip was along these lines also at the time I had a different health/satisfaction guarantee

Dragon: Drago
Genetics: Yellow Double Het (Probable)

Guarantees

- 72 Hour Health
- 48 Hour Satisfaction
- I can not Guarantee This dragon will reproduce his lines as he was sold to me as a double het I did not breed this dragon myself.

If you have any questions or concerns please contact me at [email protected] or call my Cell.


When I sell a dragon I did not breed myself I make it VERY Clear on all packing slips.


I've said my part this is all I have to say Paul is twisting everything around to suit his needs and try to make me look bad. Paul seriously you know your lying through your teeth dose it make you feel better to do so? :rolleyes:

You are trully pathetic Nicole. It doesn't matter one bit if he was given a guarantee. Unless you gave him a possibility of not being het your word was what apparently caused him to buy from you. Even if he doesn't own the dragon anymore you owe him some money.

You really need to take up breeding artificial flowers or something. Maybe pet rocks.
 
Well there's no disputing that ad. He is clearly listed as a double het. I guess I know who is wrong here now. Not even because he didn't produce any hypos(who's to say what Paul did), but just because you have blatantly lied about this.
 
Dragon: Drago
Genetics: Yellow Double Het (Probable)

Guarantees

- 72 Hour Health
- 48 Hour Satisfaction
- I can not Guarantee This dragon will reproduce his lines as he was sold to me as a double het I did not breed this dragon myself.


Heck I did not Guarantee his Hypo side I only told you I had two clutches sired by him from het hypos females and I got hypos in both.

Please read the BOLD text i high lighted, did you or did you not prove him? i see 2 different answers here???
 
nicole in a way u voided your own guarantee when u said that he was proven to be het for hypo in your ad not poss het for hypo. But thats just how i see it youll just change your TOS like u always do when u have a problem with a customer
 
To be honest i'm not worried about the money or getting another dragon, It's the POINT i'm trying to make and i believe it has been MADE!!!

Now more of the reptile community can see how misleading and non business like HG dragons runs there "Company"
 
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