Inquiry ***nvp*** on this site as well as BP.Net

[ToshaMc]

Michael -- I have gotten the copies of the 08s from Grant -- I was asking if you had any proof of who you purchased them from -- paypal transactions, canceled checks, email address, phone number, etc. - you were able to contact the same guy a year apart how did you go about doing this? As well the paperwork from the animal you bought last year which Grant did not have. As well photo evidence of the morph breeders that these animals were bred to would be stellar.

Thanks.

 

[critical bill]

Also I do still have the fake paperwork! no I will not post it up as it is relevent to my previous post,but if you need to see them email grant.

When was it that you first learned you were scammed?

 

[***nvp***]

I learned the lav's where fake the day I talked to grant, saturday I belief. The deal with "the guy" was all done in person with cash, which I regret now, I do have contact info, but like I said this info will not be posted on the forum and please keep it this way. contact sam leam for contact info if you do not believe me , if he decides he wants to share this info. And honestly I'm not a picture guy my wife takes all the pictures taht are taken in my house and I'd keep it that way, I have been breeding leopar gecko's for several years, the only time I take a pic of an animal is if I plan to post it on a forum or something, and that's the way I have always done things, like I said I'm new to the whole aspect of a paper trail when it comes to animals and breeding! Thats why I never contacted grant when I first got the fake cert's as I just assumed they were real! If I would have called this whole situation could have been avoided.Theer were no papers on the first animal nor any of the others I have bought from him, besides the fake het' pieds there was papers with them which I traded for all at the same time.

 

[ToshaMc]

Why would you withhold the contact information of someone that scammed you If you were indeed scammed don't you think it would be a benefit to yourself and the community to find said scammer and perhaps bring him to justice -- how many thousands of dollars are you out now that you know they are all fakes and you don't want to post this guys contact information?

Seriously?!?!?

Look at it from the other side for a minute -- you have been trying to sell fake hets -- you have no pictures, no proof, no contact information to back up your story of being scammed and you don't want to share what little info you do have.

 

[Deborah Stewart]

I learned the lav's where fake the day I talked to grant, saturday I belief.

Saturday yet

Subject:
RE: Message about: Lessers, Mojaves, Cinnamons - Eating Rats and Ready to Go!

From:
michael spradlin <[email protected]> (Add as Preferred Sender) ?
Date: Sat, Oct 04, 2008 10:50 am
To: [email protected]
Hello jeff, sorry for the confusion but they were not produced by grant but damed by one of his 100%hets and sired by an RDR lavender albino, we were looking at around 1200-1400 trade value.Thanks very much..Michael

Do you have pictures of those animals???? Do you have pictures of your breeder pastel???

I am curious what are your TOS when it comes to trades, do you require people to ship first?

 

[Otter_23]

When you paid, was it cash or check? I thought you mentioned earlier that you had traded for them with all your co-doms.

 

[***nvp***]

No I normally ship first becuase I have no rep at all. As far as pics go you must have not read the thread in it's entirerity, and as far as sharing info, I give you the contact in which you can get the info, you to must have not read the thread if I do so it WILL ruin what we have going, just be patient people it will all come out in due time, in the mean time if I weer a scam why would I call someone from my unblocked number and complain becuase of what they have written about me, why would I post up my real name and address? why would I continue to post, and not just disappear? Why would I be completely cooperative with the others that have been scammed as well? Why would contact everyone affected and tell them I was sorry and all trades are off?And tell them why. why would I have sent the fake papers to grant for verification of there authenticity? And if I am a scammer whom have I scammed? And for what, please tell me? These are some of the things that you should ask yourself before just aimlessly posting what your feeling, I understand there is alot of anger as I myself am very angry, I do understand that some of what I have said "sounds fishy" but I have offered logical and truthful explanaitions to each situation, without revieling usefull info that if it gets out it will affect the outcome drastically.Please just bare with me people.And contact sam, if wants to tell you the info he will, but I must urge you to not post it up on this or any other forum until we tell you, and at that time I have alot of info to post.

 

[***nvp***]

yes I have traded and paid cash, traded for codom's for the 1.1 het lav's and 1.1 het pieds, cash for the first 0.1 het lav, Please read the thread, I have detailed all of this info.

 

[ToshaMc]

Sam was not the one caught selling fake hets you were -- the burden of proof is therefore in your court.

Good luck!

 

[***nvp***]

correct and in due time justice will prevail

 

[Deborah Stewart]

Why would contact everyone affected and tell them I was sorry and all trades are off?

Obviously you did not , since you sent that email the same Saturday you supposedly learn they were fakes

I learned the lav's where fake the day I talked to grant, Saturday I belief.

From:
michael spradlin <[email protected]> (Add as Preferred Sender) ?
Date: Sat, Oct 04, 2008 10:50 am
To: [email protected]
Hello jeff, sorry for the confusion but they were not produced by grant but damed by one of his 100%hets and sired by an RDR lavender albino, we were looking at around 1200-1400 trade value.Thanks very much..Michael

Now don’t you think one of the first person you would have contacted that Saturday would have been one of the last person that inquired that SAME day?

Also can you actually prove that you contacted people about this?

Did you email them?

Not accusing you of anything here just trying to understand because I must say I am a little confused!

 

[jluman]

Why would contact everyone affected and tell them I was sorry and all trades are off?And tell them why.

Just for the record, I haven't been contacted by Michael since this thread was started. Any potential dealings with this guy are definitly off.

 

[shrap]

Too many quality honest sellers out there to even bother with this kind of wishy washy crap.

 

[***nvp***]

"Paul McIntyre" <[email protected]> "Garrick DeMeyer" <[email protected]> "Chuck" <[email protected]> "Quality first Pets" <[email protected]> "Art In Scales" <[email protected]> these are some of them there are more like I said everyone I did not get to I'm sorry, but this thread told you.. And I didn't find out until around 4pm ask grant ! Again people please just chill out, becuase this thread will go on for ever until we figure what will happen and how to the people involved, So like I said before, just keep on blasting away guys and gals, I'm in it for the long hual!! Thank you very much...Michael Spradlin

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

"Paul McIntyre" <[email protected]> "Garrick DeMeyer" <[email protected]> "Chuck" <[email protected]> "Quality first Pets" <[email protected]> "Art In Scales" <[email protected]> these are some of them there are more like I said everyone I did not get to I'm sorry, but this thread told you.. And I didn't find out until around 4pm ask grant ! Again people please just chill out, becuase this thread will go on for ever until we figure what will happen and how to the people involved, So like I said before, just keep on blasting away guys and gals, I'm in it for the long hual!! Thank you very much...Michael Spradlin

I honestly do not see anyone bashing. I see people asking honest to goodness questions of you and I see excuses instead of answers.
In fact, maybe I am just stupid but your rambling posts do not make sense to me at all. I am the only one?

I have read them more than once and they make no more sense now than the first time I read them.

Just looks to me like you are talking and double talking and saying a whole lot of nothing

JMHO

 

[ToshaMc]

And I didn't find out until around 4pm ask grant !

Original email from Grant:

--- On Sat, 10/4/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: WTF?
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 1:42 PM

Your response:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: WTF?
From: michael spradlin <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, October 04, 2008 12:12 pm
To: [email protected]

Just so you understand -- no one is going to "chill" -- you have tried to sell fake hets - that isn't something this industry takes lightly. You're stories are inconsistent and far fetched and coincidentally you have zero supporting evidence.

Just out of random curiosity how much did you pay in cash for the het last year? And why wouldn't you ask for proof of genetics? You've been breeding geckos for years -- do you have any references that can be verified?

 

[Royal Morphz]

Michael i have a request that if you choose to do may help you out a bit take your ID and put a taped piece of paper over your address and you dl number then with your name showing have a picture taken with you holding it up next to your face but make sure your name is visible i ask this to help you out if you are telling the truth see we know what Matt/allen williamson look like and this will further prove you are really who you say you are now this is just me trying to help you prove your case so please take it in the manner iive given you

 

[***nvp***]

PM sent to tim

 

[StickyTongues]

Ok people, I have been at work all day that is why I have not responded, this is my first season on my own the previous 2 season's were with me loaning out my females to other people and them loaning there's to me,and just throwing the animals together for a few months! Not really understanding what I was doing, As far as the origins of my animals, well they were all bought from the same guy whom has turned out to be fruadulant, so I only know what I was told, which I'm sure it was all lies,I have contacted everyone that I have tried to make trades with and told them about the situation, and how the animals were phony's, if I have missed a couple I am sorry. I did produce some animals earlier this year from a snake that I had bought from the guy mentioned, bred it, then before the eggs hatched, I traded for another pair not knowing that they were fraud as well, he had paper work and everything, I don't have a clue who paul williams is it was supposedly the guy he got them from! this all stems to the other incidents coming from my area and we have some things in the works, so if we could keep it down about that it would help greatly, contact sam leam for more info on that. After figuring out that my animals my have been all stolen animals (het pieds included)I have parted with all I have bought or traded with this person he now has them, after everything is said and done you will all see them, but like I said for now we are keeping it under the covers, I'm sure I will get blasted for all of this but right now it's what I have to do, so blast away! it will not hurt my feelings, I am not sure why my number comes back to new carlisle as I do live in huber heights.8178 mount hood to be exact zip 45424. The caramel albino that has sired my pastel is also from the partner of this guy/guys, whom until late last night I was unaware he was involved. This will all work out for me in the end and everyone that has yelled scammer and liar at me will for sure eat there words, and please don't take me for getting angry of hasty, as I do expect everyone to blast me for this post, but right now it's what I have to do to get all of this stuff finished and done and everything clear and out in the open! Thank you friends....Michael Spradlin blast away any other questions I will be glad to answer.

I just got a PM about this and just wanted to reply back. I did get an email from Michael about this. However, I had not had the time to fully digest everything. At Michaels wishes I will not post on here what was provided to me for the time being.

I've been in and out of the hospital for over a week now caring for a family member. Once I have time to sit down and review everything I will post what I find out.

 

[Deborah Stewart]

Michale I know you already have a lot to answer to but could you also explain those pictures of your Geckos which are also appearing here on Got herps or do you need to ask your wife since SHE takes the pictures?

YOUR pictures

Got Herps Pics

Got Herps aka JSReptiles aka LawReptiles aka AllenExotics

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117501

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116921

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117060&highlight=allenexotics

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116906