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I was the first to responded to an add he had JUST posted 20 minutes earlier. I told him I would take his snake. He called and confirmed. He didn't know how to ship so I said I would find someone to pick-up. This was late in the night. The next morning I left him a message that I had someone to pickup the snake by noon and I needed his info for payment. He texted me late that night saying he had sold the snake to someone else earlier. I call that bogus. If you deal with this nut, don't trust what he tells you. He changes his mind even after he has made a commitment.
 
I don't know about anyone else , but its seems to me No $ no done deal . ive missed many deals because of the same thing and i understand it's just business.
 
I would think though that the OP could have been given the courtesy of a day or 2 to get someone to pick up the snake, though. It sounds as though the OP had someone the day after responding who could pick up the snake for him. I imagine he was going to either give the "pick up person" the money to pay for the snake or he was going to find some way, possibly paypal to get him the money.
I mean, if I was selling something and someone said "Yes, I want it, " I would keep it for a couple days and say "you have X amount of time to get me the money before it goes back up for sale" And in the meantime I would tell others who respond that "It is being held for someone pending payment, but if it falls through would it be ok if I got back to you? "
 
Especially if the snake's owner called and confirmed that he wanted it. To me that would be selling the snake out from under the person who originally said they would buy it.
 
First to pay gets the snake, he found a local buyer...after all he did tell you he could not ship.

Is this really a worthy BOI bad guy thread?
 
yup it is !!! It's called YOUR WORD !! Use to be whata business was run by, now it's run by hte quickest buck !!!! If they agreed on the transaction at night and the snake was sold by morning then that is F-up period end of story no way to look at it and NOT see it's F-up.
 
bbacdok said:
The next morning I left him a message that I had someone to pickup the snake by noon and
I needed his info for payment.
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Have you notified him of this thread? I'd like to hear his account of the situation.
I agree with Bob that if a seller expressly says he will hold a snake, that's what should happen. Many vendors require a deposit or payment, but if you say you'll hold for a specified period, you've given your word.
But, did that happen here? I don't know, one way or the other.
It sounds to me as if the agreement might have been conditional, dependent on finding someone to pick up.
Otherwise, when y'all talked on the phone, you could have gotten his information and paid him then. Obviously this was not a cash deal, or you wouldn't have needed his info. It was not a money order deal either, as you already had his name. If it was a Paypal deal, you could have paid as soon as the alleged confirmation took place, but as I said, perhaps the deal hinged on you finding someone to pick up. I'd like to hear his side.
I'm not going to even go through putting a third party at risk for getting them to pick up an animal that is not legal to possess in New York City.
 
Give me a break here. Everyone SHOULD know by now that first to pay gets it.
If you, yourself don't run your sales this way that's fine. But when you are buying something from someone else, you should figure this is their policy. At the very least discuss it at length.

Bob talking about someone's word, and how that's how business "used" to work...that's exactly it. It USED to work that way. That is until every one of us started getting the window shoppers. The "Oh, I will send payment tomorrow"...tomorrow comes...NO payment. Give me a break...

Good luck with your bad guy thread:rolleyes:
 
Well, for those wondering about payment, I did offer paypal. He said he wasn't set up. I told him during our phone call to text me his address and I would shoot a money order to him first thing. Again in the morning I asked for it several times via text and voice mail. Still no response. For those of us in the legitimate business world, your "word" is what is used to conduct business. (I'll make a note not to do business with those of you who put the "all mighty dollar" above that).
As for shipping his concern was not knowing how to ship. I understand that and have dealt with it before. I told him I could send him everything he needed, so all he had to do was box up the animal and drop it off at a Fed-Ex. After receiveing a text from him at 10:30am the next morning regarding not feeling comfortable about shipping, I let him know that I was still trying to find someone to pick up for me. By noon that had happened and I left that in a voice mail and text. I did not hear back from him even after leaving several text throughout the day. I called him at 8:30pm to no answer. Followed immediately by a text saying he had sold the animal earlier and forgot about letting me know till later.
I saw on his "cages" add that it was posted at 6:00 am that morning. He had long sold the snake out from under me and was to coward to say so. If you consider this ethical business then good luck in pedaling your wares. I'll stick to the honest, trustworthy individuals in this business who give it respect and a "good name"!!
 
bbacdok said:
As for shipping his concern was not knowing how to ship. I understand that and have dealt with it before. I told him I could send him everything he needed, so all he had to do was box up the animal and drop it off at a Fed-Ex.
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How can you comfortable persuading someone to ship that doesn't feel comfortable shipping?

Your constant insults to the seller reeks of arrogance. I think he dodged a bullet.

Please provide proof that he commited the sale to you.
 
bbacdok said:
Well, for those wondering about payment, I did offer paypal. He said he wasn't set up. I told him during our phone call to text me his address and I would shoot a money order to him first thing. Again in the morning I asked for it several times via text and voice mail. Still no response. For those of us in the legitimate business world, your "word" is what is used to conduct business. (I'll make a note not to do business with those of you who put the "all mighty dollar" above that).
As for shipping his concern was not knowing how to ship. I understand that and have dealt with it before. I told him I could send him everything he needed, so all he had to do was box up the animal and drop it off at a Fed-Ex. After receiveing a text from him at 10:30am the next morning regarding not feeling comfortable about shipping, I let him know that I was still trying to find someone to pick up for me. By noon that had happened and I left that in a voice mail and text. I did not hear back from him even after leaving several text throughout the day. I called him at 8:30pm to no answer. Followed immediately by a text saying he had sold the animal earlier and forgot about letting me know till later.
I saw on his "cages" add that it was posted at 6:00 am that morning. He had long sold the snake out from under me and was to coward to say so. If you consider this ethical business then good luck in pedaling your wares. I'll stick to the honest, trustworthy individuals in this business who give it respect and a "good name"!!
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You won't be doing business with a lot of people then.

Have any proof of all your alleged claims?
 
That is abuse of the system.

Labeling him a scammer, leaving a negative review and a negative BOI to boot??

I don't blame him for going to a local sale if he was uncomfortable shipping. Sounds like you need to hop down off that high horse of yours and un-bunch your undies.
 
Focal X said:
Wait. You left him a negative review and you didn't even complete a transaction with him AND declared him a scammer.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/traderratings.php?u=96150
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My God, dude. Grow up.

You never gave him any form of a deposit to hold the animal. He's not obligated to do anything for you at that point. You tried pressuring him into things he simply was not comfortable doing. I do not blame him for making an easier sale.
 
Wow... I have to agree with Nick and Autumn on this one... I don't feel comfortable shipping and don't feel comfortable receiving a shipment because of all the negative things that happen... hence why we drive 16 hrs sometimes to get a snake. Point being, you didn't set EXACT information in stone, you wanted him to ship and he didn't want to, you were TRYING to find someone to pick it up and he found someone local and sooner... this kind of thing happens all the time... if anything maybe you people would learn that a deposit goes a long way, and if not a deposit, then having an exact set date/time/place is always a good thing to help you with your transaction process and to cover your arse in the event that things go bad... yes I do think the seller should have been courteous enough to say "I have found someone local that can pick up sooner" but either way, he definately isnt a scammer. He didnt take your money and run, and I think that this thread as well as the negative trader rating shows what kind of person you are.. someone I will avoid.
 
That was wrong to leave a negative review and a bad guy thread when you haven't even done business with the guy. Should have been more of an information thread, but what's done is done.

I stand by what I said before about if he called you to confirm the sale then he should have kept the snake for you because money orders do take a few days to get somewhere. Generally you know within 5 or 6 days if it's coming or not. I don't know how far apart you live-but mailed payments can arrive anywhere from 2 to 7 days after being mailed. You can also do express mail if a seller is worried that the money won't arrive, and that way you can ask for delivery confirmation and you'll get a tracking number to give the seller. I've done that before.
However, I would not be comfortable having someone ship a snake who doesn't know how to do it properly.
You really should have gotten his information during the phone call when he confirmed the sale, and told him what day the money order would be going out. I always try and keep in touch with sellers when I am buying something. Frequently my e-mails are only "Hey, payment's going out X day. Let me know when it arrives, please"
 
I think alot of people will avoid you now, after you did that. Wonder if one of the mods can remove bogus trader ratings...
 
One thing that bothers me besides the obvious is that you are willing to try to force a seller to ship when they say local pick ups only. When I see a good deal and it says "local pick up only" and I'm not that local, I continue to shop elsewhere.

This could have easily been a real bad guy thread if he shipped it and it arrived DOA.

Bottom line, in this economy, money does talk.

I'm under the impression that a trader rating should be left for no business being conducted? :shrug01:

And one more thing, the seller has been a member here for 4 days, did you look him up here before attempting to buy something from him/her?
 
bbacdok said:
If you consider this ethical business then good luck in pedaling your wares. I'll stick to the honest, trustworthy individuals in this business who give it respect and a "good name"!!
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I can't also help but to take offense to this so I am throwing the BS flag.

A brief search of your posts show numerous inquires on ad's held by members with absolutely no feedback and/or completely new (even one guy with a -1 rating). In fact, it appears you even purchased from a member who threatened to throw his snakes in a freezer if they didn't sell because he was done with reptiles. "Good name?" :shrug01:

When it comes to NyBully24, it also appears that his two current ads clearly states "Must come to pick up! I'm in the New York area." Was this also in the ad that you inquired on?
 
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