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Ok, another dieing leo

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I have another leo that is dieing from whatever this disease is. They just stop eating and slowly fade away over a few monthes. They refuse to eat, they act like their brains have turned to mush, their tails get very skinny then their middles, their eyes seal shut and when I pull them open they are dead. I have taken them to the only exotic animal vet in my area and she cannot help me. She wormed him. I am tired of losing $300 lizards. I am trying to force feed this one but he doesnt want to cooperate. Can anyone give me any advice. My phone is 281-360 -8452 or my work is 281-442-1860.
I have tried calling the one person on this forum whom I have spoken to in the past but she will never answer the phone or return calls.
 
What do their stools look like? I'm no vet, so I am not going to try and diagnose your problem. Sounds like it could be anything from Coccidia to Cryptosporidium. Are the geckos in your collection housed together? Do you keep other reptiles? Whole collections of geckos have been wiped out by keepers that also have Bearded Dragons due to cross contamination caused by Coccidia that their Beardeds had, and were not bothered by, but that the geckos could not tolerate. I would suggest quarantining your entire gecko collection and adhere to ultra strict husbandry practices until you can determine what is afflicting the geckos.
 
what are the symptoms of this desease and what can you do about it. I have no beardis and they have not been around any that I know of. One of them that died would fall over on its side anjust lay there like it couldnt get up for a while then it would get up but it died weeks later.
 
for something like that, would an anti protozoan cure it? I game all my babies a dose of something I can't remember, but it's an anti protozoan for fish that I bought from a pet store that keeps them on hand. It started with "Met". The vet said it was a good move since it would help the appetite as well and now I'm seeing some improvement...oh is it ok to give a sick leo carnation instant breakfast vanilla?
 
never give a leo human food. never. theyre digestive system isnt built like ours. and me, id never give something i had for my fish to my leos. i know that some fish cant even handle it and that its also very dillute din the water as opposed to direct oral givings. ive bred tropical fish for years. Im assuming you mean Metronidazole was the medication?
 
perefalcon said:
for something like that, would an anti protozoan cure it? I game all my babies a dose of something I can't remember, but it's an anti protozoan for fish that I bought from a pet store that keeps them on hand. It started with "Met". The vet said it was a good move since it would help the appetite as well and now I'm seeing some improvement...oh is it ok to give a sick leo carnation instant breakfast vanilla?

Metronidazole, also known as Flagyl, while effective against some protozoans is worthless against others. I'm not a proponent of "shotgun medicating", better to determine the cause of the problem and then deal with it as opposed to giving your leos a variety of meds hoping to hit the right one.... :)
 
I believe that would be Metronidazole,also known as Flagyl.But...how do you know how much to give a gecko? I have never used this myself and would be afraid of giving too much and doing more damage than good.
Robin
 
Never say never.....

The NY Gecko said:
never give a leo human food. never. theyre digestive system isnt built like ours. and me, id never give something i had for my fish to my leos. i know that some fish cant even handle it and that its also very dillute din the water as opposed to direct oral givings. ive bred tropical fish for years. Im assuming you mean Metronidazole was the medication?

Tom, I think your statement regarding human food may be a bit short sighted. many a herp has been saved and nursed back to health with the help of high protein baby food, pedialyte, etc..... I would be very interested in seeing the documents and reference material that led you to make the statement "never give a leo human food. never. theyre digestive system isnt built like ours." ;)
 
Hi James-

Question: Did the vet do a fecal, and if so, what parasite(s) did she find?

Sorry I haven't called you back, I have been through a lot the past few months and sometimes it takes me a few days to check voice mail and return phone calls. Feel free to email me anytime, or you can call me on my other phone 682-472-6296.
 
Metronidazole, also known as Flagyl, while effective against some protozoans is worthless against others. I'm not a proponent of "shotgun medicating", better to determine the cause of the problem and then deal with it as opposed to giving your leos a variety of meds hoping to hit the right one....

Agree 100%. Also James, you may want to consider having a necropsy done on the dead gecko. That will tell you exactly what is going on.
 
Gecko_Den said:
Tom, I think your statement regarding human food may be a bit short sighted. many a herp has been saved and nursed back to health with the help of high protein baby food, pedialyte, etc..... I would be very interested in seeing the documents and reference material that led you to make the statement "never give a leo human food. never. theyre digestive system isnt built like ours." ;)
no documents. i just know that humans have a very more robust and different working digestive sysem as oppossed to reptiles. which is why i wouldnt give my leos anything meant for, especially given the stuff that i eat. i use products made for pets whenever my leos stop eating. i made my own slurry using hills A/D high protein pet food, mized with water so its easier to go down and some of sandfires leo ICB. the one relished it and the other said fack string bean i aint having it. well he did have it and that was the end of that. its ust my personal opinion that any food item for humans should be left totally out of the equation.
 
I agree that is a short sited view... especially considering you are using Hills A/D which isn't formulated for reptiles....(not that it shouldn't be used) As previously mentioned a great many leopard geckos have had their lives saved and been rehabilitated with diets containing pedialyte and baby food. Just because something is "made" for humans doesn't mean its something that can't be handled by another species. There is NOTHING scientific to back that up. Yes, there are a lot of things that we eat that should never be fed to a reptile....but that does not mean that EVERYTHING we eat is bad for reptiles...
 
Ok that crypto pic looks eggzactically like the leos that have died. what do I do now, can it be cured? Next ? can humans get it? because I got sick around the time I got the first leo that died. My guts hurt,I felt terrible, I had a sore throat that would not go away and I had no energy at all.
 
The NY Gecko said:
no documents. i just know that humans have a very more robust and different working digestive sysem as oppossed to reptiles. which is why i wouldnt give my leos anything meant for, especially given the stuff that i eat. i use products made for pets whenever my leos stop eating. i made my own slurry using hills A/D high protein pet food, mized with water so its easier to go down and some of sandfires leo ICB. the one relished it and the other said fack string bean i aint having it. well he did have it and that was the end of that. its ust my personal opinion that any food item for humans should be left totally out of the equation.

Tom, I'm not looking to "pile on" here, but really just because HILLS A/D is made for "Pets" does not mean it is o.k. to give to your leopard geckos. By the way, the digestive system of cats and dogs are also "much more robust" and "different working" than reptiles. For the sake of comparison here are the ingredients for the Hills A/D food:

Water, poultry liver, chicken, corn flour, casein, fish oil, sodium tripolyphosphate, guar gum, taurine, minerals (calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, magnesium oxide, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, thiamine mononitrate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

Here are the ingredients of a jar of Beech Nut Stage 2 Chicken and rice dinner: carrots, water, finely ground chicken, peas and rice.

Much less extra ingredients in the baby food, which isn't a bad thing, I would rather add the vitamins and minerals that were needed specifically for my herp rather than having to wonder how much of the contents of the pet food are harmful to my gecko.
:)
 
Ok that crypto pic looks eggzactically like the leos that have died. what do I do now, can it be cured? Next ? can humans get it? because I got sick around the time I got the first leo that died. My guts hurt,I felt terrible, I had a sore throat that would not go away and I had no energy at all.

I believe the type of crypto that reptiles get is a different species than the type humans can get. Did your vet tell you what parasite(s) were found, if any? Also, what type of medication did she give you to treat the illness?
 
turtlebuyer said:
Ok that crypto pic looks eggzactically like the leos that have died. what do I do now, can it be cured? Next ? can humans get it? because I got sick around the time I got the first leo that died. My guts hurt,I felt terrible, I had a sore throat that would not go away and I had no energy at all.

James, did you even read the all of the links I gave you, or just look at the pictures? ;)

Info below is from the Dr. Gecko link I provided earlier.

"Cryptosporidium is also a coccidian parasite but it is extremely pathogenic. One must use extreme caution when dealing with this parasite as it can be very easily transmitted to humans where it can cause disease.

Please click HERE for a detailed medical discussion on: Proliferative Enteritis in Leopard Geckos (Eublepharis macularius) Associated with Cryptosporidium sp. Infection

Cryptosporidium has a direct life cycle and can easily threaten the health of any reptile that comes into contact with it. It is believed to be spread by exposure to food, water and the environmental items that have been contaminated with feces containing the sporulated oocysts shed by other reptiles. It is highly contagious!

Common Symptoms:

The symptoms exhibited will vary from gecko to gecko and will depend on the severity of the problem. Cryptosporidium can cause severe irritation to the intestinal walls of a leopard gecko. The symptoms could include:

* Anorexia
* Regurgitation
* Diarrhea
- can include mucus in the stools
- can include cottage cheese-like stools
* Depression
* Listlessness
* Weight loss
* Dehydration
* Failure to respond to therapeutics.
* Death

Diagnostic Methods:

There are several different techniques available to your veterinarian to help determine the possible presence of cryptosporidium. These could include:

* Complete physical examination.
* Detailed patient history and overview of husbandry.
* Fecal exams.
- It may be possible to identify the oocysts on direct smears.
- Acid-fast stain technique is preferable.
- Several fecal samples may be required until you have a positive identification.

Treatment Options:

At the moment, there is no known cure for Cryptosporidium although there has been a great deal of success in the past using Trimethoprim-Sulfadiazine administered PO (orally) to stabilize a reptile.

Supportive care is essentially all one can do at the moment for an infected gecko. This could include the use of fluid and electrolyte therapy, as well as nutritional supplementation.

The prognosis for an infected gecko is poor and euthanasia may ultimately be necessary depending on the severity of the problem. Some leopard geckos can live for several months after being affected while others may live for several years before passing away.

When dealing with medical problems such as cryptosporidium, proper personal hygiene, quarantine and disinfection techniques are absolutely necessary. Treating the gecko alone without treating the environment will NOT eliminate the problem! As with other parasites, it is recommended that you wear gloves while handling the infected gecko."

And yes there is a form of Crypto that affects humans, in 1993 Milwaukee was hit especially hard when it's water supply was infected.


Crypto in water supply
 
Why yes, I do believe I did read all 3 of the links :) just kidding :) and I appreciate it because it sounds like what is wrong with this leo. I asked about humans because I was wondering if anyone had known anyone who had gotten it and they might know the symptoms of that said person. The vet said she could not get a fecal, obviously cuz it didnt poop cuz it wont eat. I am feeding it my version of Marcias goop, what I could remember last night, and I will make hers tonight. When it poops I will take it to the vet. Kelli, I guess my remark was a bit snippy I apologise
 
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