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This is the 4 hatchling to pipe way too early..... I dont get it...... All the ones born premature were all from the same female...... My sunglow..... All of my tangs have been hatching fine..... This really sucks...... Here is a pic....

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Gregg, that really sucks. Are they in the same incubator as the tangs?? I really do feel your pain man. Sorry.
 
Same incubator..... Even in the same container as some of the tangs that hatched already..... This sucks bad......
 
Man Gregg that is aweful! I had 2 from the same female do that but the others are OK so far. I hope the next ones do better for you!
 
Man Gregg, that is really aweful, I am really sorry that this is happening to you. I am crossing my fingers for you that the rest will be ok
 
Sorry to hear that Gregg. I know how you feel. I’ve had that happen to 3 already this year all from the male incubator and from the same female. Nature can’t be controlled though so it’s something that’s going to happen. . .
 
Thanks everyone.....

Xavier, I have one more egg from the hybino.... I just dont get it..... I check the temps and humidity every other day and the levels are perfect..... I just hope this is the end of the line for the bad luck.....

I do have a bunch of eggs that are doing well from my urban tangs..... Atleast I have them to look forward to...... Look like the het albinos will have to wait until next year....
 
gosh...

That's a real heartbreaker, Gregg. That really sucks... I'm sorry to see this. I have been having very similar problems, and have lost about a dozen hatchlings in the last 6 weeks or so like that. I figured it was due to a power failure where it was off for several hours, came back on for awhile and then went back off for another few hours. I have also had some deformities from my male incubator, all around the same time-frame.
 
There is still hope

Gregg M said:
Thanks everyone.....

Xavier, I have one more egg from the hybino.... I just dont get it..... I check the temps and humidity every other day and the levels are perfect..... I just hope this is the end of the line for the bad luck.....

I do have a bunch of eggs that are doing well from my urban tangs..... Atleast I have them to look forward to...... Look like the het albinos will have to wait until next year....
We'll one of the baby male albinos I told you about is looking like a hybino for sure......
 
thats sucks gregg, i feel your pain, i've had over 15 premies so far and i've lost over 20 eggs, good luck with the rest of them
 
On a lighter note, I had a scary start to the season (lost 3 or 4 in a row to deformities/premature hatching) and then every thing seemed to settle down. We've had about 30 good hatchlings in a row (fingers crossed!) now. Gregg, I hope that last hybino egg produces a beauty for you...but if not, like you said - those urban tangs are gonna be fun to watch hatch!
 
Sorry to hear that,it sucks when you do not know why it happens.

As soon as i can get wild caught into the states,it will be done.
 
Sorry to hear this...

We have had just a few hatch deformed, but have found that many more fertile eggs go full term without hatching (15-20%). Heartbreaking, with some of the killer crosses we have been waiting on. From our observations, I don't think this is due to incubation temps. For people producing for several years, have you seen an increase in deformities from year to year while using the same supplementation regimen? Everything else (husbandry techniques, diet, etc) has to be constant to get useful information here.

Otherwise, we could be dealing with an inbreeding phenomenom. Outcrossing to wild-caughts may help, but that solution is already at hand: just cross into high yellow or wild-type phenotypes as they are less likely to be inbred than some of the specialized morphs (SHTCT, stripes, etc).

Importing wild-caught leopard geckos is not a problem, and there are overseas dealers offering specimens in volume right now. At current prices, to make it worth their while, individual importers need to bring in a shipment of 500-1000 specimens. As breeders, we don't want to see importation of leopard geckos taking on a life...believe me. What we really need are a small number of wild-caughts with really different colors and patterns that could add diversity to our repertoire of existing morphs. Breeders would be willing to pay more for these specimens, but the volume will be relative low. Let's hope that some forward-thinking importer gets this message.

Matthew
 
inbreeding?

For people producing for several years, have you seen an increase in deformities from year to year while using the same supplementation regimen? Everything else (husbandry techniques, diet, etc.) has to be constant to get useful information here.
I have a hunch this may play in to this problem more than we know or are willing to admit. I have found that many breeders are reluctant to discuss their failures, whether it is fertility/hatch rates, percentages of deformities, or 'failure to thrive syndrome' in their breeder geckos. Many of us have worked very hard for years to establish our reputations, and the reptile community can be very cruel. I know it's not necessarily something I want to share with the world, but we could learn so much from each other by discussing these things!

A few years ago I switched from my supplementation regimen of RepCal Calcium w/VitD and Herptivite to Miner-All "O" and noticed a significant difference in fertility rates and egg shell quality. When I went back to my original supplements, this problem all but disappeared. Last year, I switched to the Sandfire Leopard Gecko Dust ICB, and had ZERO fertile eggs for almost 2 months until I switched back again! If I recall, there were several other breeders that experienced this very thing with the same product, but the problem was not proven to be associated.

This year, I have approximately 30% new (1st time) breeding stock, which can account for the beginning of my breeding season to get off to a slow start due to infertile eggs. Also, we took a trip to Mexico in February and the young fellow that took care of the geckos in my absence added water to the incubating egg medium daily and drowned about 10 clutches. Then, we had a severe power failure which I described in a previous post on this thread, which accounted for approximately a dozen more egg failures. I believe it was due to the incubation temperatures because these failures could not be associated with any particular breeder or breeding group, and seemed only to affect the eggs/embryos that were at a particular point in their development during the power failure.

I am not trying to be judgemental, but I do NOT practice inbreeding amongst my leos for the very reason that I fear this practice is becoming detrimental to the genetic strength of the species. I do not believe for one minute that RT has line-bred for nearly 20 years without out-crossing and hasn't experienced problems associated with inbreeding! Granted, I will never be one of the breeders out there that can claim the honor of developing any 'new' leopard gecko morphs, but I am to the point where I am more inclined to concentrate on the robustness of the offspring I my geckos produce. Perhaps I am just being paranoid, but I think genetic problems are more widespread than we might be aware of.
 
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