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Opinion On Panacur!!

You are right Vince , but after specifically posting I have fecals performed , and will treat myself UNLESS the animal appears sick . Also that any animal that appears fine will get ONLY a fecal and NOT go to the vet . Marcia then decides to state or imply that I have not had fecals performed and was just treating a $1200 Mack Snow without having any idea if he even needed it .

That is the furthest from the truth! Yes I am VERY defensive about UNTRUE statements being made about me since it seems to be a custom around here .

Biggest point i made is NOT stressing the animal when i can much more easily give them meds myself but AFTER finding out there is something to treat by fecal float performed by the vet . Please someone tell me who brings every single animal to the vet for no apparent reason ? Fecals for every animal , definately , but if an animal is healthy why stress it ? Why pay unneeded expenses ?

I happen to KNOW that i can treat my own animals just fine, after fecals, with the help of a vet (Marcia was more help in this case though) so no reason to pay extra for 'appointments' .
 
I don't see what's she is twisting.
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She is bringing up something from the past , e-mail between us that states exactly what i have said here . That is :

1 Had a 'bad fecal' , did not bring the animal in as he seemed perfectly normal .

2 Was told i needed to make appointments to dose him (not only once) and also for more fecals .

3 Did not see any good reason to stress the animal or to pay extra to have the vet do it .

4 Told the vet I had the meds and he didnt offer any help . Now i see its probably due to it coming back to him .

5 Had to ask someone and Marcia was willing and was very helpful .

Now in the 'drama' that played out here , she stated or implied .That i did not even have fecals done and was more or less shotgun treating a $1200 gecko , something i dont even do w/ a $50 Gecko.

Now she is stating the same and it IS NOT TRUE ! So shouldnt i be at least somewhat upset by this ?

She twisted what was told to her in our exchanges and of course brought the info out at "the best time "(sarcasm) . During the Dan bashing thread .

So now just because she WAS nice , and was a great help to me ( still am thankful for that ,but not for this ) , im supposd to ignore all of this and just kiss her a$$ ? When she is again making false and harmful statements ?
 
Let me just a couple more things if you don't mind...

On this gecko which I am going to ASSume is the Mack Snow. Did you ever have an final fecal done after you completed his treatment? If you didn't I suggest having one done. Was he ever quarantined or since he was positive did you just treat your entire colony?

Thanks for being willing to post so much info.

Joyce
 
Dan, I have just re-read this entire thread and at no point did Marcia ever say you refused to take your Mack to the vet:

Golden Gate Geckos said:
I'm sorry Dan, but you are full of it. I spent a LOT of time last March advising you on administering the proper doseage and how to determine medication concentrations of Panacur paste because you would not take your newly acquired Mack Snow back to the vet!!!
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And you have said many times and just said AGAIN that you did not take the leo to the vet and did not want to take him back when asked:

groovygeckos said:
1 Had a 'bad fecal' , did not bring the animal in as he seemed perfectly normal .

2 Was told i needed to make appointments to dose him (not only once) and also for more fecals .

3 Did not see any good reason to stress the animal or to pay extra to have the vet do it .
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So Im not sure what the problem is, you are admitting to the exact statement that was made.
 
Not a problem , like ive said i have nothing to hide , parasites can happen to anyones animals .

Yes Juneau has passed follow up fecals .

Yes he was always (still is) kept seperate from all but the small group of CT`s i placed him with .

By most peoples response , No he was not 'quaranteened' per say because i paired him with a few females .

But those females and the male have been seperate from other geckos .

There was never any changes in the females and have passed fecals also .

I really think there was never an infection and the vet was taking me for a ride. Sure it would have got into the CT group if there had been something , but who knows .

I have a different area, and different rack alltogether for each group from each breeder . There is a JMG rack , a Hot Geckos rack , a Tremper rack , then the big breeder-rack with the ones ive had the longest are mixed but they were all checked out first .
 
groovygeckos said:
1 Had a 'bad fecal' , did not bring the animal in
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groovygeckos said:
No he was not 'quaranteened'
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And you're going to sue Marcia for libel? LMAO. You're a bag of hot air. You just admitted to enough facts here that I would NEVER buy an animal from you. If I were a gambling man, I would bet that the same would hold true for others as well. :toiletcla
 
"Dan. I guess what I still do not understand is why you wouldn't be willing to pay $40-50 to identify what type and treat your $1,000+ gecko for parasites."

That is what was said along with another implication or two .

I paid to have a fecal done on a healthy looking animal , was told he needed treatment and that they would do it , which included office visitS for dosing and for more fecals .

So it was allready identified and i had the means to treat him more cost effectively that is all .

The other thread there was also the same type of statement made .
 
See wasn't that easy, and you did not sound defensive at all in that post.

Parasties can happen to anyone and I honestly have never taken any of my leos to the vet, I HAVE taken in random samples. I had a positive for pins last fall from 1 of the randoms taken in, so the next set I marked which set up they came from, it was only 1 of the breeder setups (I had 40 gallon breeder tanks then) and still only 1 positive out of the 5 that were in that set up.

I then asked a breeder (name does not matter) how to dose the panacure because of the same reason as you, my vet wanted $40 for each dose and multiple visits to give them. I gave the doses myself and took in samples from that tank only for 2 rechecks which both came back clean. I have the basic books and online pages bookmarked but I wanted to be sure of how to does the leos without spending $40 each 2-3 times on 5 leos. Its not that I don't care about them and its not really even the money.

The fecal came back pins and they were properly treated by me at a lower cost.
 
Ahhh Jim you seem to cut out the true meaning of what was said with your hack job of a quote .

It is allready known that i put my CT`s with my Mack without much of a QT period due to excitement and yes stupidity .

That was my mistake it has been accepted as such and i have paid the ultimate price of burying my own small Leo-biz . Isnt that enough ?

Does that mean that my other animals arent quaranteened from day 1 and kept seperately ?

I dont think so !

Sure i took a risk , sure it wasnt a good choice , but do i really need to be constantly reminded ? As if it wasnt bad enough I am caring for all of my animals i will probably never be able to sell ! Its depressing enough to see the reminders everyday in my racks ...Thank You very much
 
Well Wendy , you are just as 'guilty' as i am then . LOL

Even $30 for a fecal Xs how many geckos i have is ALOT !

So sure i was thinking about the others too , and the cost for visits,fecals,meds,more visits and more fecals was just NOT even possible .
 
Well Dan, I am not exactly just as "guilty" as you, different story but as for fecals I take them in not the leos so on that ONE part, yes, I am just as "guilty" lol

My vet also only charges me $4 per fecal if I take in 20 or more at a time and thats never a problem around here, so I can get all of my fecals for the price of 2 office visits alone. I (my family) have also used the same vet office since my first pet as a child so they know that I care deeply for my animals and have never had a problem with knowing that I give my dogs their own shots other than rabies and order their HW online ad a discount.

If any were ever diagnosed with anything other than pins or needed expert vet care for an injury or illness, they would be at the vet in a heart beat!
 
OK im sorry to interupt but this post was about panacur and peoples opinions? Anyone got a opinion on panacur dosage? I decided to go with panacur as a screening twice a year as a precaution, but now need a dosage calculation. And dan im sorry for the reputation downer, didnt mean to start this argument.
 
groovygeckos said:
Ahhh Jim you seem to cut out the true meaning of what was said with your hack job of a quote .

It is allready known that i put my CT`s with my Mack without much of a QT period due to excitement and yes stupidity .

That was my mistake it has been accepted as such and i have paid the ultimate price of burying my own small Leo-biz . Isnt that enough ?

Does that mean that my other animals arent quaranteened from day 1 and kept seperately ?

I dont think so !

Sure i took a risk , sure it wasnt a good choice , but do i really need to be constantly reminded ? As if it wasnt bad enough I am caring for all of my animals i will probably never be able to sell ! Its depressing enough to see the reminders everyday in my racks ...Thank You very much
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You are entirely responsible for it as you just said. So why the BS threat of legal action against Marcia? That's what my complaint was. You hadn't a clue what the legal definition of libel was but you were going to thump your chest all over her. I called you on it because guess what? You deserved it. Then you leave me a negative and call me an "Asshole" for setting the record straight? Cry me a river you pathetic little man. And don't make threats that you can't back up.
 
OK im sorry to interupt but this post was about panacur and peoples opinions? Anyone got a opinion on panacur dosage? I decided to go with panacur as a screening twice a year as a precaution, but now need a dosage calculation.
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Pat, according to my vet AND Dr. Roger Klingenberg, the proper dosage for Panacur is 25-50 mg per kg of body weight. You can calculate the dosage this way:

(dose x weight)
concentration

First, determine the weight of the gecko and convert that to kilograms using this formula:

1 kilogram (kg) = 1,000 grams

So, if a gecko weighs 50 grams, that is the same as 0.05 kilograms.

Now, let’s say you have a drug with a concentration of 100mg/ml, and the prescribed dose is 50mg per kilogram of weight, (50mg/kg). Using the formulas from above, it comes out to be:

50mg (dose) x 0.05kg (weight) = 2.5 divided by 100 (concentration)

This means the proper dose of this medication for a 50 gram gecko is 0.025ml.
 
And another thread goes ugly on the leopard gecko forum.

Marcia has been a GREAT help to many people on here. She helped me with starting out, with slurry feeding a small leo in dire need and also sold me my first tangerine! Who now has produced some of her own kind that are in the incubator :)

I really plan on having my stock be the best I can make it, and a lot of my things will probably come from Marcia ;)
 
You should notice, however, that I wasn't talking about what most reptile owners hope to gain from the book. My original post was in response to the folks here who were attempting to do their own fecal tests at home. You basically just said the same thing I did about the book being a good general source, but it doesn't suffice for those relying on it to learn about parasite identification.

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This can be fascinating study for those that are interested in identifying particular species and life stages of parasites. But, for purposes of treatment, this much detail is superfluous. Most reptile owners are more interested in the treatment aspect rather than the taxonomy of a parasite or describing its developmental stages.
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Originally Posted by coyote
Most reptile owners are more interested in the treatment aspect rather than the taxonomy of a parasite or describing its developmental stages.
 
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