Opinion On Panacur!!

[snared99]

hahahah...lol good one vince.. for the record i have never seen his wife

 

[aliceinwl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by coyote
Most reptile owners are more interested in the treatment aspect rather than the taxonomy of a parasite or describing its developmental stages.

I think that what Olivia was getting at is the fact that parasites can look very different depending on what stage of life they are at. In order to appropriately treat them, you need to be able to identify them. The ability to identify them is partially dependent on being able to recognize them at all their developmental stages.

-Alice

 

[Monte]

Is it just me, or don't you get a little "itchy" when someone starts talking about parasites?

Are those phantom itches, or cootius parasiticus?

Just wondering (and scratching).

 

[coyote]

Yes. And, no.

I think that what Olivia was getting at is the fact that parasites can look very different depending on what stage of life they are at.

Granted. This is definately true.

In order to appropriately treat them, you need to be able to identify them. The ability to identify them is partially dependent on being able to recognize them at all their developmental stages.
-Alice

Here I disagree. All one needs to implement appropriate treatment is to identify one lifestage form. Predominantly this will be either eggs or cysts. When diagnostics are done to check for evidence of internal parasites there are certain routine methods used. Fecal float, centrifugation of a slurry, direct smear and direct smear of cloacal/rectal swab. The lifestages that one can expect to find with these methods provide ample evidence for the identification of what parasites are present. Only one form need be present for diagnosis. Treatment is the same regardless.

 

[coyote]

Is it just me, or don't you get a little "itchy" when someone starts talking about parasites?

Are those phantom itches, or cootius parasiticus?

Just wondering (and scratching).

Only when we are talking about externals.

 

[Manhattan Herps]

the only way this could get uglier is if someone posted a picture of my wife.

OUCH, thats bad...

eh, i'm staying out of this one...

 

[Xelda]

All one needs to implement appropriate treatment is to identify one lifestage form. Predominantly this will be either eggs or cysts.

Not necessarily. Depending on the type of parasite, different stages may be present in fecal samples. I think anyone who's serious about doing tests at home for their animals should be prepared to identify all of those stages, lest they miss something they weren't prepared to see. Understanding the life cycles is key because that's how you'll know what actions to take in dealing with the parasite. It'll give you a better understanding of how your animal got infected, how you should go about treatment, what's going on inside your animal's body (therefore what symptoms to expect), and what kinds of follow-up measures are necessary. It's one thing to blindly follow instructions from a book, but when given the opportunity to learn more, why not take it? A $7 book can only go so far in replacing a qualified vet. You certainly get what you pay for.

When diagnostics are done to check for evidence of internal parasites there are certain routine methods used. Fecal float, centrifugation of a slurry, direct smear and direct smear of cloacal/rectal swab. The lifestages that one can expect to find with these methods provide ample evidence for the identification of what parasites are present.

You're assuming that all the parasites one has to be prepared for are intestinal. There are other types of internal parasites that make their living off of other organs within the host, rendering any type of fecal test useless.

 

[coyote]

Xelda,
How about I just tell you you are right and drop this topic that is going nowhere?

 

[Xelda]

Xelda,
How about I just tell you you are right and drop this topic that is going nowhere?

Why bother arguing with people in the first place then if it's not going to take you anywhere?

 

[Ross Payan - LA]

Not sure if this has been mentioned about the Panacur, but there is another "over the counter" option. You can find liquid under the brand name SafeGuard at any feed store. Look for the "goat sized" bottle, as the one for cows is around $100. Leos will usually lap it right out of the syringe with minimal resistance.

 

[Ross Payan - LA]

Not sure if this has been mentioned about the Panacur, but there is another "over the counter" option. You can find liquid under the brand name SafeGuard at any feed store. Look for the "goat sized" bottle, as the one for cows is around $100. Leos will usually lap it right out of the syringe with minimal resistance.

**And of course make sure you dilute, dose properly, etc..., etc..., etc...**

OT: We just brought our new kitten to the Vet. Poor thing is on an IV, Oxygen Mask, and heavy antibiotics =( We adopted her from the local shelter a few days ago that was over-run with evacuee animals from all the damned hurricanes. Most expensive Ally Cat ever, hehe. Anyways, during the course of our discussion he told me that Panacur is now the preferred treatment for giardia? Anyone else heard anything about treating giardia with Panacur? Just curious I guess.