OukanJordan/Sadisticmuffin/Stephanie Hawkins BADGIRL

[SadisticMuffin]

Maybe if you answer the question, it will go away and you can get back to what you think really matters?


Worth a shot.

I have answered every question given to me, and some times answered them more then once.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Im afraid thats not how it works. Ive spoke to quite a few people who ship snakes regularly. If one dies its the buyer's responcibility to prove this. Not the seller's. Since the snake left the seller's property safe, alive, and packaged properly. All garentees are void. Check any major breeder's site. I promise you 90% of them will have the same thing stated in the Terms and Condition section of thier site. Elements beyond my power during transit I can not be held accountable if his snake arived dead. If it acctually did.

I'm afraid that is NOT how it works. Any breeder worth their name would guarantee live arrival. This site is made up of mostly breeders. All but a very few don't guarantee live arrival by FedEx but guarantee by other shipping companies.

Clauses usually are put into terms to protect against abuses. You can't tell me that any BIG breeder would ship a snake and the buyer that was there to sign on the first delivery attempt and did nothing wrong, that the seller would tell a customer they are SOL. They would make it right and come to some resolution with their customer if they wanted to stay in business.

I recently turned down a good deal from someone who refused to guarantee live arrival even though he was able to produce a few good references.
I wouldn't do business with anyone that doesn't offer some form of live arrival.

In this case and with trades in general, it is always important to discuss what should happen if anything goes wrong beforehand. It would save a lot of headaches. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear any of these things were discussed.

And your absolutely right that FedEx doesn't guarantee live arrival. I look at it as a cost of doing good business as a seller to take care of any problems that arise that my customers aren't responsible for.

 

[SadisticMuffin]

By the way to clear up the name thing. Oukan is my given name, Stephanie is english for Oukan, I use it a lot cause people dont know how to pronounce the name right. Hawkins is my maiden name, Jordan is my married name.

 

[hum707]

Maybe if you answer the question, it will go away and you can get back to what you think really matters?


Worth a shot.

How can you believe somebody after they fill your ears full of lies? You can't hear anything but lies. If you look on the link of the photos you can see clearly that in some of the photos I peeled the skin part way so you could see why it looked like a different snake.

 

[KelliH]

I can not garentee that they were or that they were not. I dont have the box, I dont have any papers to conferm this. I am willing to admit to that. But weither he sent his snakes to me via usps, fedex, ups, or santa clause doesnt really matter, considering my shipping is the one that is important at this time and not his shipping. I never once complained that he did a poor job at shipping. I found the snakes he shipped to be shipped just fine. So that is none the matter here.

Well, it kinda does matter, mainly because you accused him of commiting a federal offense by shipping snakes via the United States Mail. I just thought it might be a good idea to clear it up. Thanks.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

I can not garentee that they were or that they were not. I dont have the box, I dont have any papers to conferm this.

when I was willing to do whatever it took to satisfy him. I offered to ship the snakes he sent me back and I offered to pay him back.

We have the tracking number that Shows the animals were left at YOUR doorstep from Him.

If you are willing to do whatever it took to satisfy him, WITH the proof that has now been posted, why arent you speaking to him about just that.

Its not his fault the Hog died. you got what you traded for, and he did not. Compensation is in order here. You sent your snake out knowing full well the risks of shipping, as did he, unfortunately your snake did not make it. Be it Your error in how you packaged your snake, or the carriers, it really makes no difference. YOU sent that snake out knowing the risks. therefore you accept said risk, and are at fault.

 

[SadisticMuffin]

I'm afraid that is NOT how it works. Any breeder worth their name would guarantee live arrival. This site is made up of mostly breeders. All but a very few don't guarantee live arrival by FedEx but guarantee by other shipping companies.

Clauses usually are put into terms to protect against abuses. You can't tell me that any BIG breeder would ship a snake and the buyer that was there to sign on the first delivery attempt and did nothing wrong, that the seller would tell a customer they are SOL. They would make it right and come to some resolution with their customer if they wanted to stay in business.

I recently turned down a good deal from someone who refused to guarantee live arrival even though he was able to produce a few good references.
I wouldn't do business with anyone that doesn't offer some form of live arrival.

In this case and with trades in general, it is always important to discuss what should happen if anything goes wrong beforehand. It would save a lot of headaches. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear any of these things were discussed.

And your absolutely right that FedEx doesn't guarantee live arrival. I look at it as a cost of doing good business as a seller to take care of any problems that arise that my customers aren't responsible for.

I didnt say that all shipping companies dont garentee, I said all but pretty much Delta Dash dont. Which is true. Ups, DHL, and Fedex dont.

I agree we should have discussed some sort of "what if" issues but we did not. That I can blame myself for partly. I was not thinking clearly and forgot to include that much in our conversation.

This isnt the first time I shipped and having such good luck in the past I suppose it slipped my mind to acctually consider the fact the snake might arive dead. I defently will keep this in mind every time I send another snake to someone.

I still feel that despite the fact he claims it is dead. That none of it was my fault and if it is acctually dead I shouldnt be held accountable for it.

I DID try to refund him the hognose's asked price as well as shipping. Since I was selling the snake for $300 shipped. I also offered to send his snakes back. And he refussed both. He only wanted to demand I give him more.

 

[Abish]

How can you believe somebody after they fill your ears full of lies? You can't hear anything but lies. If you look on the link of the photos you can see clearly that in some of the photos I peeled the skin part way so you could see why it looked like a different snake.

No worries, mate. I think the photos are of the same snake. I was only telling her that people would be more willing to listen to 'her side' if they felt like she was being forthcoming with her answers.

 

[Cat_72]

Seriously I feel like everyone is avoiding the questions that really matter and instead is poking daggers at me from every angle that doesnt matter. Just to keep from looking at the fact that I tried my best to satisfy this person, right from the get go.

WHAT exactly did you do to try to satisfy your customer?? From what I have seen, all you have done is lie about how they shipped the snake, and deny that it is the same snake (when anyone with any common sense can see that it IS the same snake).

 

[SadisticMuffin]

We have the tracking number that Shows the animals were left at YOUR doorstep from Him.

If you are willing to do whatever it took to satisfy him, WITH the proof that has now been posted, why arent you speaking to him about just that.

Its not his fault the Hog died. you got what you traded for, and he did not. Compensation is in order here. You sent your snake out knowing full well the risks of shipping, as did he, unfortunately your snake did not make it. Be it Your error in how you packaged your snake, or the carriers, it really makes no difference. YOU sent that snake out knowing the risks. therefore you accept said risk, and are at fault.

Are you people not reading? Ive repeatedly posted this, here let me put it in caps and bold lettering, maybe then you will realize I did try to take responcibility.

AS SOON AS HE TOLD ME THE SNAKE WAS DEAD, I OFFERED THE WORTH AND SHIPPING FEE ($300) AS WELL AS I OFFERED THAT OR THE SNAKES HE SENT ME TO BE SENT BACK. BUT HE REFUSSED BOTH OFFERS AND DEMANDED OUT OF ME SOMETHING ELSE. SOMETHING I COULD NOT GIVE HIM. WHEN HE DID NOT GET WHAT HE WANTED HE DEMANDED I GIVE HIM MORE THEN WHAT THE SNAKE WAS WORTH SHIPPED OR HE WOULD SUE.

Seriously who really is the bad guy here?

 

[hum707]

Well, it kinda does matter, mainly because you accused him of commiting a federal offense by shipping snakes via the United States Mail. I just thought it might be a good idea to clear it up. Thanks.

Ya I thought I was going to prison Stephanie. You were going to call the authorities and turn me in for something I didn't do!

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Are you people not reading? Ive repeatedly posted this, here let me put it in caps and bold lettering, maybe then you will realize I did try to take responcibility.

AS SOON AS HE TOLD ME THE SNAKE WAS DEAD, I OFFERED THE WORTH AND SHIPPING FEE ($300) AS WELL AS I OFFERED THAT OR THE SNAKES HE SENT ME TO BE SENT BACK. BUT HE REFUSSED BOTH OFFERS AND DEMANDED OUT OF ME SOMETHING ELSE. SOMETHING I COULD NOT GIVE HIM. WHEN HE DID NOT GET WHAT HE WANTED HE DEMANDED I GIVE HIM MORE THEN WHAT THE SNAKE WAS WORTH SHIPPED OR HE WOULD SUE.

Seriously who really is the bad guy here?

Then offer the snakes, since you know the Hog is yours, and IS dead. And be done with it.

If your name means anything to you, and an honest reputation, then you will do the right thing and work something out so that the both of you are happy, and RID of this disaster.

 

[SadisticMuffin]

Ya I thought I was going to prison Stephanie. You were going to call the authorities and turn me in for something I didn't do!

Im sorry Im not like you. I didnt threaten you with such things.

 

[SadisticMuffin]

Then offer the snakes, since you know the Hog is yours, and IS dead. And be done with it.

If your name means anything to you, and an honest reputation, then you will do the right thing and work something out so that the both of you are happy, and RID of this disaster.

I did he even refussed them here in this thread. Did you not see it were he said he didnt want the snakes? All he cares about is getting money out of me.

 

[Abish]

Brian, would you reject the return of your snakes as a resolution?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I didnt say that all shipping companies dont garentee, I said all but pretty much Delta Dash dont. Which is true. Ups, DHL, and Fedex dont.

I agree we should have discussed some sort of "what if" issues but we did not. That I can blame myself for partly. I was not thinking clearly and forgot to include that much in our conversation.

This isnt the first time I shipped and having such good luck in the past I suppose it slipped my mind to acctually consider the fact the snake might arive dead. I defently will keep this in mind every time I send another snake to someone.

I still feel that despite the fact he claims it is dead. That none of it was my fault and if it is acctually dead I shouldnt be held accountable for it.

I DID try to refund him the hognose's asked price as well as shipping. Since I was selling the snake for $300 shipped. I also offered to send his snakes back. And he refussed both. He only wanted to demand I give him more.

There is a difference between a shipping company offering live arrival (which they don't except for Delta) and a seller offering live arrival.

I can only tell you what I would do.

If I was satisfied that my snake perished in transit, I would ship his part of a trade back. If I really wanted to keep the snakes bad enough I would offer to purchase at a fair price that we could agree on. It's a trade so the other person is entitled to nothing more than to receive the animals back in the same condition as he shipped them.

Now, if I wasn't sure the snake was dead I would want proof and/or my snake back.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Brian, you traded for a snake, not cash. You are, in my opinion, only obligated to your snakes in return and nothing more, nothing less.

The shipping back to you, should be paid BY you. That is only fair.

 

[SadisticMuffin]

There is a difference between a shipping company offering live arrival (which they don't except for Delta) and a seller offering live arrival.

I can only tell you what I would do.

If I was satisfied that my snake perished in transit, I would ship his part of a trade back. If I really wanted to keep the snakes bad enough I would offer to purchase at a fair price that we could agree on. It's a trade so the other person is entitled to nothing more than to receive the animals back in the same condition as he shipped them.

Now, if I wasn't sure the snake was dead I would want proof and/or my snake back.

-bangs head on desk-

 

[DaveyFig]

No offense, but the shipping would not count in any deal. just the vaule of your snakes/bi colored hog.

I would think that in this case shipping would factor into the total value, as Stephanie had her animal posted for 300 shipped. The other end of the deal had a value of 325, and shipping was paid on top of that.
If Stephanie doesn't cover the initial shipping cost, and the cost of return shipping, then Hum707 here is basically paying $80 to be in the same position he started in. Why should he have to be in the hole to have his snakes back? He didn't do anything wrong. His animals arrived alive. His snakes didn't die in shipping. I think anyone would be pissed to have to pay $80 to be in the same place they were before they even made the first email to offer a deal. I know it sucks for Stephanie to have to pay all that shipping, but it was HER snake that died in shipping.
If you still think he shouldn't be reimbursed for shipping, I have a deal for you!
Send me $80! We can cut fedex right out of the deal. I will let you keep your snakes , so they don't have to go through any stress from shipping. I wont ship anything to you, and will just pocket the $80. You'll still have your snakes, you'll only be out a shipping fee, and I will be money ahead! Everyone wins! That's fair right?

 

[critical bill]

Packageing tape she rolled into a ball. I dont think my child is stupid enough to choke herself to death with tape.

This is what you said on RTB.

"I had Fedex pick the package up from my house. I didnt have any tape on me. Well I did.. but my 3 year old decided to make a ball out of it to play with when I wasnt looking hehe."

Your child isn't stupid.....you are. You even laugh about it. You are a crappy mother and you are a crappy business person.

Anymore excuses and lies?