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Bad Guy Outback Reptile's Scam

I purchased 4 giant peppered roaches from outback at the white plains show jan 6th
as little as my purchase was im still very happy with it
 
I am definitly no fan of Outback, but let me ask the OP a question...Is your issue with the ad the price of the snake or the description? What if the same ad had a price of $500, or $250, would you still think they are scammers? What if they were selling the snake for $100?

Do you think people selling Dinkers are scammers?

If they spell out that it is not a proven morph, I think anyone with $2K or so to spend, is going to be educated on Balls and know what they are getting into. If they are not, a fool and his money....



Dave
 
In the above ad in no way did he say it was a genetic morph. I am not seeing where the problem is with that ad. Honestly if someone wants to buy and prove it out then by all means why not. If your willing to spend the cash then your willing to take the risk if it proves or not. As for the sav. story where are the emails, and proof.
 
This is because all you goofs are willing to pay exorbitant prices for ridiculous morphs(ball pythons,bearded dragons,leopard geckos,et. al.Breed rare species not morphs of beginner reptiles.I am sick of going to shows and seeing nothing but ball pythons.
 
This is because all you goofs are willing to pay exorbitant prices for ridiculous morphs(ball pythons,bearded dragons,leopard geckos,et. al.Breed rare species not morphs of beginner reptiles.I am sick of going to shows and seeing nothing but ball pythons.

Robert, you are discourteous and worse, you are trying to tell people what they should like. I forecast a difficult future for you here if you do not change your perspective.
Let people work with the reptiles they love, and you do the same.
 
This is because all you goofs are willing to pay exorbitant prices for ridiculous morphs(ball pythons,bearded dragons,leopard geckos,et. al.Breed rare species not morphs of beginner reptiles.I am sick of going to shows and seeing nothing but ball pythons.

I definitely know where youre coming from. As someone who is not interested in ball pythons either, I know the frustration that arises from their overwhelming popularity.
 
Robert, you are discourteous and worse, you are trying to tell people what they should like. I forecast a difficult future for you here if you do not change your perspective.
Let people work with the reptiles they love, and you do the same.

Even though it is far off topic I totally agree!


This boi post is 100% nonsense and there should be action taken against all people willing to slam another's name without a shred of evidence. Your opinion means nothing here and if you don't like someone or their ads just don't buy from that person!! There are tons of people around that offer similar items.
 
This is because all you goofs are willing to pay exorbitant prices for ridiculous morphs(ball pythons,bearded dragons,leopard geckos,et. al.Breed rare species not morphs of beginner reptiles.I am sick of going to shows and seeing nothing but ball pythons.

What does that have to do with anything? This is about Outback Reptiles, not your petty elitism.
 
Here is a post by Devin himself that states he brought his animal back to us and got his money back. (Would have been a month or two after he got the animal as well since he met us at the White Plains show in New York).

http://www.reptileforums.net/forums...annah-monitor-is-depressed&p=99048&viewfull=1

Our adds clearly describe the animals we sell and no W.C animal is listed as being a morph or genetic unless it is either a proven morph (i.e desert, yellow belly ghost, etc) that we have brought in from a shipment and know the animal is genetic.
The savannah in question was not a normal savannah the color on that animal was very visual, and even better looking in person. We bring in around 1500-2000 savannah monitors a year between babies and adults and have not seen any normal that have the colors of that animal.

This thread appears to be nothing more than a kid with questionable experience trying to start a pissing match, over something he had no clue about.
 
Devins post is absurd, he wasn't happy with his purchase, returned the animal, and he received his money back. So what is your beef with Outback? what happened lately to make you feel the need to slam a business?
 
I will just stop in here for 2 secs and let everyone on here know, Outback missed about a $4000 sale with me and a few buddies of mine due to the simple fact that "Josh" is a nasty, s.o.b!! I'm sorry, but I will not continue to give any business to someone who is rude for no good reason whatsoever! If anyone absolutely must get an animal from them, do yourself a favor and get assistance from anyone other than josh. Even if its the same company, save yourself the anger afterwards... Trust me:)
 
I will just stop in here for 2 secs and let everyone on here know, Outback missed about a $4000 sale with me and a few buddies of mine due to the simple fact that "Josh" is a nasty, s.o.b!! I'm sorry, but I will not continue to give any business to someone who is rude for no good reason whatsoever! If anyone absolutely must get an animal from them, do yourself a favor and get assistance from anyone other than josh. Even if its the same company, save yourself the anger afterwards... Trust me:)

Ok, post up some proof or take it back and apologize.
 
I would like to see the OP provide some evidence to back up their claim. Otherwise, it just sounds like a person opinion.

I will say that I have purchased animals from Outback Reptiles via Josh on quite a few occasions. Josh has never been nasty with me. I have always received courteous emails, even if he is busy and can only give a short reply, it has always been done professionally.

Kindest regards,

Amanda Rose
 
So he bought a pos Gravid sav that wasn't eating and then after a little amount of time decides she's not Gravid and puts her in with his monitor
Any one else see a problem with that
 
So he bought a pos Gravid sav that wasn't eating and then after a little amount of time decides she's not Gravid and puts her in with his monitor
Any one else see a problem with that

Yes. It sounds like there was no quarantine to speak of. If you get an animal that is NOT eating the last thing you do is add stress by placing it with another animal. Territorial stress is just one issue that would be added.

Amanda Rose
 
Yes everyone, that was awhile back, things have changed extremely here. If anyone from back then reads this, I apologize for being stubborn. The reason I waited two years was because I don't like starting things up like this. I mean Josh is threatening me with reporting me about selling native animals, when I indeed do have a permit and it is not his business, it's very unprofessional, instead of dealing with what I have been messaging him about he decided to bring up something he thought I was doing wrong. I wish I could provide the proof but now I realize it's just not worth it. If people like Josh want to do these things then more power to them. It is just upsetting seeing where the hobby is going. Outback is just notorious for these AMAZING animals they import and over price. I just know what it's like to get ripped off and wanted others to possibly see it... But a post I guess just isn't enough... :/ Sorry for bothering anyone... You can delete this if you'd like. I don't care anymore.
 
Yes everyone, that was awhile back, things have changed extremely here. If anyone from back then reads this, I apologize for being stubborn. The reason I waited two years was because I don't like starting things up like this. I mean Josh is threatening me with reporting me about selling native animals, when I indeed do have a permit and it is not his business, it's very unprofessional, instead of dealing with what I have been messaging him about he decided to bring up something he thought I was doing wrong. I wish I could provide the proof but now I realize it's just not worth it. If people like Josh want to do these things then more power to them. It is just upsetting seeing where the hobby is going. Outback is just notorious for these AMAZING animals they import and over price. I just know what it's like to get ripped off and wanted others to possibly see it... But a post I guess just isn't enough... :/ Sorry for bothering anyone... You can delete this if you'd like. I don't care anymore.

The post would be enough if you provided proof. If Josh posted a similar thread about you would you want us to just believe him, or ask him for proof?

If anyone could come on here and post bad things about other people the BOI would be pointless. :shrug01: If it's not worth it to post proof then you've just wasted everyone's time by even posting in the BOI to begin with.
 
Yes everyone, that was awhile back, things have changed extremely here. If anyone from back then reads this, I apologize for being stubborn. The reason I waited two years was because I don't like starting things up like this. I mean Josh is threatening me with reporting me about selling native animals, when I indeed do have a permit and it is not his business, it's very unprofessional, instead of dealing with what I have been messaging him about he decided to bring up something he thought I was doing wrong. I wish I could provide the proof but now I realize it's just not worth it. If people like Josh want to do these things then more power to them. It is just upsetting seeing where the hobby is going. Outback is just notorious for these AMAZING animals they import and over price. I just know what it's like to get ripped off and wanted others to possibly see it... But a post I guess just isn't enough... :/ Sorry for bothering anyone... You can delete this if you'd like. I don't care anymore.

What if I came on here, and just got a wild hair up my :censored: one day and decided that your prices are too high and that obviously means you are scamming people. And so I post a bad guy thread about you, telling everyone that you are scamming people. But I don't have any proof that you are scamming anyone, oh no, everyone just has to trust me on that one. And now your name is tarnished forever (because posts can NEVER be removed from this forum) all because I was having a bad day and decided to take it out on you.

That is exactly why you have been criticized here. NOT because of WHO you are accusing, but rather, how you are going about it, and your flawed reasoning for doing so.

I think that you do not understandwhat it actually means to scam someone. If you buy a 100% het albino snake, and later you breed it and it becomes evident that you were intentionally sold a normal, you have been scammed.

If you place an order for a snake, and you send money to the person, and they never send you the snake, you have been scammed.

If you send money to a person in nigeria who is claiming they are of royal blood and will be able to pay you back an exhorbitant amount of money... you have been scammed.

If I want to sell a ball python that is "exceptionally pale" I can charge whatever I want for it. I have not claimed it to be anything, other than.. "it looks cool". I can ask $5000 for it, or I can charge 50. Whether or not someone ACTUALLY buys the snake at $5k, is depending on if there is a person with cash they are willing to gamble at the possibility of proving out a morph. As long as the person who buys it, receives what they paid for, they have not been scammed. Maybe they are stupid, or maybe they just bought a very subtle morph and will hit the lottery. It isn't anyone else's business to care about.

To be honest, to the right person, maybe a normal female that is THAT pale is worth that to someone. If I were trying to produce the best of the best, to add some really good genes to my pastels, or my mojaves, or my chocolate covered strawberry vanilla cupcake snakes, then I would consider adding something like that to my collection. The higher quality your stock is, the better your offspring will be. Breeding a high quality pastel to a really bright, and pale hand selected normal, will likely yield cleaner, more beautiful babies than if you breed it to just any old thing. People have been doing this with carpet pythons for a long time. Quality is key! Something I wish more BP people would notice. But that's not the point here...

I am not saying it is RIGHT or that I agree with some of the things people try to pull off as "possibly a morph" and I do dislike when I see greed driving the number of "possible new morph"'s through the roof.... but if there are gullible / extra hopeful people out there willing to pay, there will always be people to sell to them. That isn't scamming, it's just not entirely ethical in many people's eyes.
 
That BP you guys are discussing has the light shining right about it. You can see the bulb reflecting off the scales lol

I'm not down-talking them or giving them kudos. And they don't have good customer service IMO. They aren't particularly willing to answer your question all the time depending on what they are in my past experience when I thought of dealing with them.
 
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