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Pat Kane of Kane Zoological ... BAD GUY TO DO BUSINESS WITH!!!

Curioser and Curiouser

What was the name on the check?

If he's indeed a minor, then an adult somewhere is in control of that account, and should be well aware of the fact that there were bounced checks.

Don't be too sure about not being able to do anything to juveniles. More and more juveniles (especially 16 and over) are being charged as adults.

Someone needs to straighten out this young man and FAST!!

Where are the parents while this kid is getting away with theft?
 
The check says:

Kane Zoological
379 Fall River Ave.
Seekonk, MA 02771

and is drawn on Citizens Bank, Rhode Island

It is signed by Pat Kane
 
Pat probably just made up a company name much like Ricky Lewis did with J-Ville Reptiles "Incorporated." Sheesh.....not only can kids today be dishonest but they're obviously not very bright either.
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If he is only sixteen sounds like the parents aren't that bright, but again I can name a whole pile of the "older generation" that have pulled the same thing. Aside from the purpose of sueing him I don't think age factors, he's just another low life who wants to be a big business man.
 
Pat's attitude about this whole thing...

This is the E-Mail I just got from Pat:

"Posting on the BOI is not going to help when the company is out of business...this is the last month im in this building the business will be closed right after....I mean feel free...but I am just letting you know...

As soon as I get some money you will get some money.

Thank-You,

Pat Kane
401-230-0094

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the fact that he is out of business

does not diminish his obligations. He is personally liable, and that is the position I would persue.
 
The parents are the key. I work at a bank during the day. Contact the institution that the check is drawn on and ask for the branch manager. Explain the situation. Banks are very careful when it comes to minors signing on accounts. My guess is that the parents are the primary owners of the account and Pat, as a minor, is simply what is called a "convenience signer". I am betting that the bank will be more than happy to contact Pat's parents on your behalf. At the very least they can let you know if there are additional signers on the account.
 
Ray

If you haven't tried it already, a reverse lookup on that address brings up

Patrick & Stephanie Kane


1-508-336-0667

Sounds like the number he gives out is a cell phone and this one rings straight to mommy and daddy

Good Luck
 
Re: Pat's attitude about this whole thing...

COBRAMAN said:
This is the E-Mail I just got from Pat:

"Posting on the BOI is not going to help when the company is out of business...this is the last month im in this building the business will be closed right after....I mean feel free...but I am just letting you know...

As soon as I get some money you will get some money.

Thank-You,

Pat Kane
401-230-0094

PeoplePC Online
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wow so he has no money, yeah sure i'm sure he just sold what you sent him and pocketed the cash, then again he probaly had to payback some other people he ripped off too, your the second person i have heard of him taking over 2 grand from, then of course there are all the others for less amounts, can you provide proof? i mean if you could post proof on these boards here: www.arachnopets.com where for some unknown reason he is not banned?(i don't get it), then you would help clear up some stuff that has been going for the last 2-4 years with him, a lot of people on those boards have had problems with him... Jeff
 
hmm...

so he says he'll get you your money when he gets some money? it may just be me but I somehow think that will never happen, it will just be sent tommorow, or the day after, or there will be postal problems that weren't his fault. so he's getting out of the business, so what? I dunno about anyone else but I can't trust a thing that guy says, he's just that good of a liar. if he gets away with this it's only going to teach him that he can get away in all aspects of life. so he's only a kid, "show him some mercy, he learned his lesson" some might say; this kid ripped off countless people for thousands of dollars. it's just me, but to hell with his excuses, he wanted to play with the big boys huh? he can fall like the big boys fall as well. I would imagine that if you accept his deal to pay you back, it won't only take a serious amount of time to get it, but I highly doubt you'll get anything out of it in the end. "you'll get your money when I get some", what rubbish. he's doing the exact same thing he's famous for: prolonging you knowing he's full of crap, and making more time for him to come up with more excuses to eventually avoid you altogether. that's his reasoning: if he can get away with it for a long time, long enough to get you not to call or e-mail anymore, he's won, he thinks he's just dissapeared off your scopes. I hope this thing goes through and he gets what's been coming to him for some time now. he wants to get the respect of years of serious exotic pet supplying, but doesn't want to take responsibility when the sh*t hits the fan.
he's scared now I think, his game is up, he's beginning to realize that you can't dodge the bullet forever.
go through with it, if not for your lost money then for the countless others who lost cash to him as well.
 
I would send this loser an email

and let him know that you are getting together with other creditors and will force him into bankruptcy, or force the parents into a corner by going after their assets.............and dont forget the interest!
 
Re: I would send this loser an email

Becareful with how you talk/write with this kid or his parents. You are a debt collector now and you have to follow the Fair Debt Collection Act. If he complains to the FTC and they find in his favor, you will not only lose the money he owes you, but he can be awarded damages far greater than the amount of the debt.
 
Seems to have fired up the younger herpers here.... There are a number of responsible younger herpers. However, that is generally the exception to the rule. With age comes responsibility and wisdom, again there are exceptions to the rule. Each person regardless of age should be judged individually. I think the main reason the age was brought up was for legal/prosecution reasons rather than a dig at age. (in this case) Ray, if this person is a minor the accounts and business name would have to be his parents. Also, a ficticious name would have had to been applied for through the state. The bank would not have opened an account in a business name without a copy of this document from the state. Whoever, did all this would have had to be 18.........Call the state he's in and ask for the ficticious name documents or his bank. Even if the business is closed you can still collect on the debt. Especially if it was a DBA. Even bankruptcy will not protect them from a NSF check that will only help with open accounts. The other thing is that if the check was wriiten without funds in the account to begin with it can be considered another charge.
 
Mr. Thomas, I am not a debt

collector, although sometimes I wish I were. My posts are right on the money. I am certainly not going to be intimidated by someone who seems to have a substantial track record of beating people out of animals and leaving a trail of bad checks.

The information that I provide to help Robert should be persued. As a matter of fact I would get 1 attorney and have all the creditors provide all the necessary information to bring it to the attention of the attorney generals officec.

This is not an isolated situation! We are dealing here with someone who thinks they can get away with impunity. Forget the fact that he is a minor, he seems to know what he is doing. The intent is their.......................to steal. As a point of information, I without going into to much detail. Ive arrested youths for far less than what this LOSER is doing!
 
Sorry, I did not mean you as the debt collector but Ray.


KNOBTAIL said:
and let him know that you are getting together with other creditors and will force him into bankruptcy, or force the parents into a corner by going after their assets.............and dont forget the interest!
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But if he was to send the type of threats you posted above, Ray would be inviting a whole host of trouble. It is a violation of Federal Law to threaten somebody to collect a debt. I was pointing out to Ray that he needs to be careful how he handles this to avoid incurring any liability on his part.

Since you brought it up, I too have arrested juveniles for far less and also far worse. As a mater of fact, I have spent the last three years as a detective doing nothing but investigating fraud. Including the types of stuff this kid has pulled. You're not the only one on here Jerry.
 
Actually, Jerry the warning was for Ray as he is a debt collector now (maybe not as a full time profession, but in this instance that is how he is legally looked upon). If Ray were to convey your feelings in any communication with the little rat then it could hurt his case if it goes to legal review. I would agree with your outlook of the person and I would guess that Ray does as well. You just have to be careful with not letting your personal bias come across in communications. In your previous line of work I am sure you came across many people that did not deserve the right to trial and the soft punishment that we administer here in the US, but you still had to keep an appearance of indifference and professionalism so that they did not bring you down to their level, same situation here.
 
the information that I provided

are legal remedies, that can be persued by anyone. I understand that these references were meant for Rob, but depending on who the checks were made out to is going to determine any type of litigation and even if their are any criminal charges that would have to be looked at.

I dont know if the checks were made out to Rob or his business. Secondly, I dont know if Robs business is a corp. or is owned as an individual. It would help if a copy of the checks were posted.

Just out of curiousity Mr. Thomas, what police dept do you work for, and are you still employed by them?
 
Yes I am still employeed by my department. I won't post which one as I do not want to associate them with any of these threads. I've sent you a PM. Feel free to verify my information if you choose.
 
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