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Bad Guy Pat Kline - snared99

snakesareawesome said:
If the animal died a day after arrival, taking it to a vet would have been incredibly unlikely to help. I've taken many reptiles to vets before they were very ill and it is still hit or miss. If it's a bacterial infection and you're willing to give it meds while waiting on the culture to come back, odds are they can fix it, but it's viral I doubt they are going to be any help.
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I do agree with your train of reasoning here. The one reason to take it to a vet is to have a professional report on the animal stating its health.

If the animal was sick and it did in fact die shortly after arriving, the vet report would have been very solid evidence to stand on when trying to get a refund.
 
Donald C said:
If the animal was sick and it did in fact die shortly after arriving, the vet report would have been very solid evidence to stand on when trying to get a refund.
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A necropsy would also help. Yes they are expensive but if someone with more experience than I had said that the critter might be sick with a contagious illness you can bet I'd get it done.
 
It is possible the dragon showed no symptoms of being ill before being shipped, shipping is stressful and stress can cause an illness to present itself when there were no indications it was sick.
I recommend having a necropsy performed, especially since you have other dragons. Illness can spread quickly through them. The symptoms you described could be a few things, all are very contagious.

Provided proof is shown that the animal is dead, a full refund (including shipping) is due. A customer should never be responsible for a seller sending out an ill animal.
 
At first reading this I believed snared99 was in the wrong. But I have to say to the op you never even gave him a chance to make things right before starting a claim and bashing him on Facebook. You need to at least give the seller a chance to make it right before writing bad reviews. Which I do think he would of, considering he offered a refund and there still has not been any proof the dragon was even sick or did die. The OP had plenty of time to write bad reviews and have people write up a bad guy BOI but could not post a single pic of the dead dragon? That seems odd IMO and even if the seller was wrong I feel the buyer went about everything the wrong way and should of just accepted the refund she was offered.
 
Repeated requests for more information and pictures from the OP have been ignored. I have no doubt the dragon is/was ill or in distress, the one picture shows a very distressed dragon.
 
I didn't finish my thought before I hit enter.

The OP never gave the seller a chance to rectify the situation before posting bad guy posts everywhere. Those actions are enough for me to never sell to the OP, for if something goes wrong, they will not give you a chance to fix it.
 
Snake-Queen said:
I didn't finish my thought before I hit enter.

The OP never gave the seller a chance to rectify the situation before posting bad guy posts everywhere. Those actions are enough for me to never sell to the OP, for if something goes wrong, they will not give you a chance to fix it.
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Exactly for example sometimes things happen during shipping. If that did happen i wouldnt just start writing bad guy posts i would try to work it out with the seller first. I dont think the op went about doing this the right way.

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Snake-Queen said:
Repeated requests for more information and pictures from the OP have been ignored. I have no doubt the dragon is/was ill or in distress, the one picture shows a very distressed dragon.
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I have a very hard time identifying the sick/distressed beardie as the one that seller sent. The single picture of the OP posted makes it very difficult to compare with the seller's picture of the animal.

That, combined with the lack of responses by the OP to prove her allegations don't sit well with me. I smell the distinct odor of a drive-by BOI smear attempt. I could be wrong, but the lack of responses is highly suspicious to me.
 
Donald C said:
I have a very hard time identifying the sick/distressed beardie as the one that seller sent. The single picture of the OP posted makes it very difficult to compare with the seller's picture of the animal.

That, combined with the lack of responses by the OP to prove her allegations don't sit well with me. I smell the distinct odor of a drive-by BOI smear attempt. I could be wrong, but the lack of responses is highly suspicious to me.
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I agree, her picture doesn't show any identifying pattern to compare with the picture the seller provided. The color is roughly the same, but that isn't conclusive evidence.

I got the same drive-by feeling as well.

There hasn't been enough proof provided to make a conclusion, other than the buyer jumped the gun.
 
No picture of dead animal, no refund deserved. Period. Not to mention that Pat Kline already tried to refund her.
 
So...you thought that it would be ok to purchase a new animal without having the means to take it to the vet if you had to...the animal arrived and at first seemed fine but went downhill quickly, but you didn't take it to the vet and it died. Pat offered a refund for the animal without seeing any proof that the animal has perished, but you want the shipping refunded as well? To add to all of that, unless I am reading things incorrectly, you didn't even give the seller a chance to make things right before plastering things all over social media and filing a claim through paypal. I also hope that you are new to the hobby because there are a few things that you didn't do that you should have simply to cover your own behind in case of things going south which clearly they have. I'd personally have a real problem at this point both buying from Pat as well as selling to you, Andie. I really feel for you, but to be honest, almost everything written and displayed here by you is very subjective and there really isn't much proof of anything, and this board doesn't consider one's words enough, especially with most of the supporting "evidence" coming from facebook or a talk with the boyfriend. I do hope that both parties can end this amicably and that you learned from this experience. If the animal was shipped ill then that is quite shameful and a disgusting practice to say the least, but how can we know that at this point when a necropsy isn't going to be done to at least identify what happened here? What a dicey situation. Hopefully you at least didn't have this dragon anywhere near other animals in your collection for the short time it was present.
 
why do people own animals if they cant afford a vet visit. setting up a gofund me page for your animals vet bills is ridiculous. i see it more and more in the hobby. sorry but your vet bills are no one elses responsibility but your own.
 
Treasures said:
why do people own animals if they cant afford a vet visit. setting up a gofund me page for your animals vet bills is ridiculous. i see it more and more in the hobby. sorry but your vet bills are no one elses responsibility but your own.
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Couldnt agree more i really hate when i see that

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Treasures said:
setting up a gofund me page for your animals vet bills is ridiculous.
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We have no proof that the critter is dead. One possibility that has not so far been discussed is that the entire issue from gofundme to full refund was a money making ploy and the dragon is sitting healthy somewhere ready to be sold after it was attempted to be pimped out as a money making machine.

I'm not saying this is what happened, but we are not getting much proof here.
 
Yeah, something is definitely fishy. Lots of things documented at first, but when actual proof is requested the OP disappears. Why would someone post a thread, then bail on it like that if everything was on the up and up? It also looks like the seller tried to do a good thing and offer a refund but the OP wasn't interested. Not looking legit for the OP right now...
 
Because people to continue to believe they can just create a boi, say whatever, get whatever they want, and ride off into the sunset no questions asked. When that doesn't happen they backpeddle or run for the hills.
 
Andy_G said:
So...you thought that it would be ok to purchase a new animal without having the means to take it to the vet if you had to...the animal arrived and at first seemed fine but went downhill quickly, but you didn't take it to the vet and it died. Pat offered a refund for the animal without seeing any proof that the animal has perished, but you want the shipping refunded as well? To add to all of that, unless I am reading things incorrectly, you didn't even give the seller a chance to make things right before plastering things all over social media and filing a claim through paypal. I also hope that you are new to the hobby because there are a few things that you didn't do that you should have simply to cover your own behind in case of things going south which clearly they have. I'd personally have a real problem at this point both buying from Pat as well as selling to you, Andie. I really feel for you, but to be honest, almost everything written and displayed here by you is very subjective and there really isn't much proof of anything, and this board doesn't consider one's words enough, especially with most of the supporting "evidence" coming from facebook or a talk with the boyfriend. I do hope that both parties can end this amicably and that you learned from this experience. If the animal was shipped ill then that is quite shameful and a disgusting practice to say the least, but how can we know that at this point when a necropsy isn't going to be done to at least identify what happened here? What a dicey situation. Hopefully you at least didn't have this dragon anywhere near other animals in your collection for the short time it was present.
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Pat sent pics with and without flash, shipped on time, communicated promptly and even offered a refund without proof, so I wonder why you would have a "real problem buying" from pat? Would you elaborate please?
 
chongorojo said:
Pat sent pics with and without flash, shipped on time, communicated promptly and even offered a refund without proof, so I wonder why you would have a "real problem buying" from pat? Would you elaborate please?
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Certainly. It would be a "pour over" from a previous thread which I have linked to on the bottom of this post showing certain levels of unprofessionalism on his behalf in retaliation to a 3 star review on his business page coupled with in my opinion incorrect labelling on boxes. If a buyer has had a legitimately bad experience and posts a fair review about the seller with the seller at least partially being at fault, it's not appropriate for the seller to chastise the buyer in my opinion. His name appearing twice in a somewhat negative light(although not necessarily warrantedly so) in a short time is a bit of a red flag to me but it is much more due to the bad handling of the review. Nothing more then that and certainly nothing personal as I do my best to remain objective.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2024114#post2024114 My post is #72 in this thread.
 
GoFundMe pages for vet bills? For a bearded dragon? Is this a real thing now?

If you have that little money that you have to ask strangers for a couple hundred dollars for a vet visit, you have NO BUSINESS even OWNING ANY animals, much less buying new ones!

This whole thing stinks. I don't believe the OP's version of events at all.
 
I just completed a transaction with pat. Bought 3 adult bearded dragons. Didn’t have any issues. Pat held them for a week for me after I selected them (had to get paid) Waited for appropriate temps to ship.. and they where all sent in a styrofoam padded box, in reptile bags with heating pads...

We kept in constant contact until they arrived this morning, I had a smooth experience over all I’m sorry this happened with your dragon but Pats a pretty stand up guy. Funds get held by PayPal until the claim is resolved.. so he literally wouldn’t be able to refund you unless you resolve the problem.

Is this something that could have happened from outside temps when the dragon was shipped to you maybe? I just put mine in their enclosures about 45 minutes ago. Waiting on them to heat up and get active:- but so far they seem pretty healthy.
 
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