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Bad Guy Paul Moyer of Monster Reptiles in PA

The snake's death could be from the toxic effects of the pest strip. Especially in an enclosed tote.
OTOH, over heating ("baking") could be another possible cause. We do not know how the snake was transported, etc. An enclosed tote does/can become hotter than outside temps. Even more so if sunlight is hitting the tote (thus, the reason that you should not allow direct sunlight to be hitting a non-insulated container, without cool pack/s, during hot weather). We also do not know if the snake was ever left in a vehicle without the AC running.
Although not a common thing, water intoxication/poisoning could have been another cause. Drinking too much water, at once (rather than slowly & over time), can cause an electrolyte imbalance. Especially in a dehydrated animal/person. Electrolyte imbalance can lead to certain negative conditions (to cells, &/or the heart, &/or the brain, &/or the lungs, etc.) and even, eventual/possible, death.
There are too many unknowns, as far as these three possibilities, husbandry, etc., to really know who is actually at fault.

A necropsy would, certainly, need to be done. Despite what has been said, there ~has~ to be a medical/veterinary/research facility that would perform a necropsy.
The downside is that the longer time goes by, prior to a necropsy being done, (even with refrigerated specimens) the harder it becomes to pinpoint a cause of death (due to too much deterioration/autolysis). So, "time is of the extreme essence" for a necropsy. Although, a proper preservation fluid (short term) can allow added time for a necropsy, with positive results, to be performed.

At this time, without more info/facts or a necropsy, I just do not see anything that can place definitive blame on either of the involved individuals. The actions of either party could have led to the cause of death.

However, that said, "Angel's" behavior sure does not lend much credence toward his claims/s nor for anything favorable to come his way.
 
So because my brother is banned from here, is ok for a member of this site to scam him

That is not the point. The point is, if you are banned, then you are no longer welcome to USE this site for any purpose whatsoever. Especially the BOI. And especially THROUGH someone else.

It really STINKS when you have to sleep in that bed you made, doesn't it?

Also, I want to note here that videos linked from another site are grudgingly permitted simply because there is really no other way to present that information. But they will be acceptable ONLY when they are supplementary evidence and supporting PRINTED words made in posts within threads, and cannot be used as the sole method of presenting a case on the BOI. Quite simply, with a linked video, ALL of the statements and evidence made in that manner can just vanish in the blink of an eye, by the person or persons posting such videos on the source sites, which neuters the reason for the "engraved in stone" rules about posting set in place in this forum. As such, any future videos of that nature not supported by typed posts from the PRINCIPAL parties will simply have to posts deleted as being hearsay and unsubstantiated by demonstrated ownership of those statements made.

Sorry, but I believe that this is necessary to do to try to retain the integrity of the BOI, and to keep necessary evidence and statements related to such issues.
 
Rich's post notwithstanding, I'm tired of dealin.g with this crap every time one of their bans expires. The continuous cycle, the utter disregard for our rules, and the blatant circumvention of a ban all add up to one thing - I'm making both Angel's and Jesus' bans permanent.
 
Here's my take on this whole deal:
Don't threaten the opposing party as soon as something goes wrong; that immediately hurts your credibility & certainly will make it tough to get a refund or any other needed compensation. Acting like a civil & mature adult will help your case.

As for the cause of death, a combination of heat stress & dehydration can easily lead to the death of any animal in an enclosed space such as a Rubbermaid container (especially one with no air holes) in a car with no A/C and/or no windows open. Considering that the air inside a closed non-airtight large Rubbermaid will easily exceed the current outside temperatures by tens of degrees, I certainly wouldn't rule out a combination of heat stress & dehydration for this snakes death even if it occurred two days later. Ten minutes is all that it can take for even a perfectly healthy snake to die under those conditions although it will take a bit longer in a larger snake.

Rich's post notwithstanding, I'm tired of dealin.g with this crap every time one of their bans expires. The continuous cycle, the utter disregard for our rules, and the blatant circumvention of a ban all add up to one thing - I'm making both Angel's and Jesus' bans permanent.

Make sure that you use an IP address ban in the very least (if possible) in order to prevent any further accounts under false names.
 
Based on everything I have read, over the few threads Angel has started, I think you reap what you sow. Maybe you and reptiles do not mix well. It seems like everything is everyone elses fault. How about this; Buy your reptiles in person, bring your own containers to transport them in, or just you and your brother do trades amongst yourselves. Your act has grown so old, I mean OLD, boring, and I do not think anyone cares about your transactions anymore, good or bad. You have brought yourself to the point that VERY few get too, the point that even if you have been wronged, nobody cares. Time to take up Parrots like your dad...?

Dave
 
Whats the best diet for a drama llama????
PERMABAN...in high doses plz
and thx again hh, the less garbage we deal with the better.
 
Thank you so much Harold.


Rich's post notwithstanding, I'm tired of dealin.g with this crap every time one of their bans expires. The continuous cycle, the utter disregard for our rules, and the blatant circumvention of a ban all add up to one thing - I'm making both Angel's and Jesus' bans permanent.
 
Rich's post notwithstanding, I'm tired of dealin.g with this crap every time one of their bans expires. The continuous cycle, the utter disregard for our rules, and the blatant circumvention of a ban all add up to one thing - I'm making both Angel's and Jesus' bans permanent.

You are the best!
 
I must admit i dont like the third party posting myself. On that note, i might get crucified for this, but i personally have seen jesus setup and the snakes that were there.
I purchased a incubator from him last season, and he showed me everything while i was there. I have no affiliation with jesus or retics at all, but I can tell you as a Certified Vet Tech his setups were clean and the animals very well cared for. This was at a basic glance, but i didnt see any major issues.
I have no stake on either side of this issue, but I want to note that the animals I saw looked to be well taken care of.
 
i know this is off topic. but you dont think the snake could have gotten a type of BLOAT ? can you? i mean it states shes drank 7 bowls of water. ad she was being handled. all over the grass and outside. etc. maybe her stomach flipped.? and caused her some type of bloat? only a necropsy will tell. but its just an idea!
 
i know this is off topic. but you dont think the snake could have gotten a type of BLOAT ? can you? i mean it states shes drank 7 bowls of water. ad she was being handled. all over the grass and outside. etc. maybe her stomach flipped.? and caused her some type of bloat? only a necropsy will tell. but its just an idea!

That's a very interesting thought. Not sure it exists in snakes due to the way their stomachs are situated.
 
Yeah that may be true but too much of anything is not good! He shouldnt have given her bowls and bowls of water! Maybe water poisoning!? Who knows without a necropsy.
 
Ive dealt with paul before. He came to my house and got an adult pair of bloods and albino burm off me for a retic and a female burm. And even though i no longer own the retic the burms still upstairs as healthy as ever and the guy with the retic still had it about a month ago. I dont think it was on his end but like he said only an autopsy would tell the reasoning and if his fault he would have gave the snake back.
 
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