Of all the caca deals on this site it seems to me that not only are these scamboogarists all obviously bad guys, but venues like paypal are bad guys as they have no backing of their buyers, no control of their money passing through, and seem to have very little info on the people holding accounts with them, thy hold multiples of my credit cards, and personal money accounts, it seems much safer to do certified mail as at least you can get scammers for fraud with results, - Damien Friesz
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PAYPAL bad guys
- Thread starter dvf1973
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thanks!
i try, lol, i just hate seeing all of these hopeless situations,as i am involved in two as of now, i wonder if we all sent this stuff to the ifcc with info on paypal being such a bunch of <font color=red>[bleep]</font>s, they would eventually get it and question paypals antics, maybe i should look into a new forum, link it everywhere, it could be for everyone in any industry based soley on venues like ks, paypal, and others whom dont back us the consumer, damien friesz
i try, lol, i just hate seeing all of these hopeless situations,as i am involved in two as of now, i wonder if we all sent this stuff to the ifcc with info on paypal being such a bunch of <font color=red>[bleep]</font>s, they would eventually get it and question paypals antics, maybe i should look into a new forum, link it everywhere, it could be for everyone in any industry based soley on venues like ks, paypal, and others whom dont back us the consumer, damien friesz
Rob @ RK Reptiles
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Damien,
I am sorry that you are having problems with some less than honest people but their actions has nothing to do with Paypal. Paypal is a service to allow payments. They are no responsible for the sellers actions. I have been using Paypal since it's inception and have only run across one time where we had a problem. I paid a person in Connecticut money for a LapTop computer. Well that person never sent the computer. Paypal froze their account when I filed claim but were only able to recover part of my payment. I have filed suit charges against the person through their local Police Department and Local DA's office. Paypal is no different than any of the other online payment services. They allow the payments to be made for yours and the sellers convenience. If you don't like using paypal for payments then just sent a Postal Money order which is Mail Fraud if the person cashes it without sending the goods.
Also this thread is better off in the General discussions forum rather than on the BOI. I sure the Webslave or one of the Moderators will probably move this to the better suited location.
I am sorry that you are having problems with some less than honest people but their actions has nothing to do with Paypal. Paypal is a service to allow payments. They are no responsible for the sellers actions. I have been using Paypal since it's inception and have only run across one time where we had a problem. I paid a person in Connecticut money for a LapTop computer. Well that person never sent the computer. Paypal froze their account when I filed claim but were only able to recover part of my payment. I have filed suit charges against the person through their local Police Department and Local DA's office. Paypal is no different than any of the other online payment services. They allow the payments to be made for yours and the sellers convenience. If you don't like using paypal for payments then just sent a Postal Money order which is Mail Fraud if the person cashes it without sending the goods.
Also this thread is better off in the General discussions forum rather than on the BOI. I sure the Webslave or one of the Moderators will probably move this to the better suited location.
maybe so
although i do agree completely, if the are a venue for the tranportation of funds,i feel they should have better retainers on their consumers as this is all to common of a problem, i dont think we shouldnt have them i do think they need better holds on the sellers as this is a great way for scams to take place, i too have followed thruogh the legal process but if say maybe paypal could archive everyones legal residence info, identification info such as drivers licenses, birth certificates,etc not publically but privately,so if this situation arises they could actually help, their answer to me in my scandle was "we have concluded this case and have finalized the transaction" thats bull caca, they got me nothing , how could they close the case if i never,or the other two in this case got nothing back? thats bad policy, i have read the tos and it doesnt give them the right to opt out for"just because" reasoning does it? it says they cant be responsible, and again i agree, but they could certainly do more. damien
although i do agree completely, if the are a venue for the tranportation of funds,i feel they should have better retainers on their consumers as this is all to common of a problem, i dont think we shouldnt have them i do think they need better holds on the sellers as this is a great way for scams to take place, i too have followed thruogh the legal process but if say maybe paypal could archive everyones legal residence info, identification info such as drivers licenses, birth certificates,etc not publically but privately,so if this situation arises they could actually help, their answer to me in my scandle was "we have concluded this case and have finalized the transaction" thats bull caca, they got me nothing , how could they close the case if i never,or the other two in this case got nothing back? thats bad policy, i have read the tos and it doesnt give them the right to opt out for"just because" reasoning does it? it says they cant be responsible, and again i agree, but they could certainly do more. damien
turtle world
New member
"Paypal bad guy " and you have no reason
If you don't agree with paypals terms
why did you sign with them.
I hope you read the terms before
you signed up.
They are only a service provider
and nobody forces you to use them.
I think they giving a great service, I can
take credit cards without have to get a
setup and pay quite a bit of money for it.
I like that nobody I pay through paypal
ever knows my credit card number.
I also think Rob is right and this should be in
the General discussions forum.
George Ullman
If you don't agree with paypals terms
why did you sign with them.
I hope you read the terms before
you signed up.
They are only a service provider
and nobody forces you to use them.
I think they giving a great service, I can
take credit cards without have to get a
setup and pay quite a bit of money for it.
I like that nobody I pay through paypal
ever knows my credit card number.
I also think Rob is right and this should be in
the General discussions forum.
George Ullman
diamondback1
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I have never had a problem transfering funds with paypal after hundreds of transactions thus far. I do however have a question. Does anyone know for sure whether transactions for livestock are permitted by paypal? I have made numerous transactions in the past with no problem but have recently heard that paypal does not allow this.
and again
yes as i have said i have read the tos i do understand, i still feel they could be better providers and i do use them and assume i will contunue although i may be more agressive with my sellers as i dont have much trust left in me, if it belongs in a better place fine,not the issue,put it there, the issue is simple, they do not follow up with these cases, they do not have good reliable info on the sellers or buyers, damien
yes as i have said i have read the tos i do understand, i still feel they could be better providers and i do use them and assume i will contunue although i may be more agressive with my sellers as i dont have much trust left in me, if it belongs in a better place fine,not the issue,put it there, the issue is simple, they do not follow up with these cases, they do not have good reliable info on the sellers or buyers, damien
Rob @ RK Reptiles
ballpythonmorphs.net
Transactions on livestock are permitted as long as the transaction does not violate federal or local law. The spells it out clearly in their TOS. Also if you purchase paypal's money back guarantee when making a payment it does not pertain to livestock.
yup
i did see that, i am more talking about before these transaction, myself requesting this info,i,e, licenses,proof of address,phone numbers that kind of stuff, its just such a vulnerable place to be, i understand theres risks in buying from some people, its a shame, how could they possibly close an open case?sorry we couldnt do anything for you, case closed?damien
i did see that, i am more talking about before these transaction, myself requesting this info,i,e, licenses,proof of address,phone numbers that kind of stuff, its just such a vulnerable place to be, i understand theres risks in buying from some people, its a shame, how could they possibly close an open case?sorry we couldnt do anything for you, case closed?damien
dwedeking
Member
Damien,
PayPal is just a conduit for the funds. It would be like asking the envelope company to cover your transaction because you used their envelope to mail a check.
Credit cards provide security for the buyer but not out of the goodness of their hearts. They reap huge rewards by charging the buyer an interest rate (most people do not pay off their credit cards each month) and also charging the seller transaction fees and percentages as well.
PayPal has a protection program, and while it does not cover the conditiion of livestock I believe it covers no-delivery of goods. Do you choose this option when paying?
For us Paypal is just a tool (a useful tool by the way) with no good or bad. The scumbags that stole your money are where the bad guy blame belongs.
PayPal is just a conduit for the funds. It would be like asking the envelope company to cover your transaction because you used their envelope to mail a check.
Credit cards provide security for the buyer but not out of the goodness of their hearts. They reap huge rewards by charging the buyer an interest rate (most people do not pay off their credit cards each month) and also charging the seller transaction fees and percentages as well.
PayPal has a protection program, and while it does not cover the conditiion of livestock I believe it covers no-delivery of goods. Do you choose this option when paying?
For us Paypal is just a tool (a useful tool by the way) with no good or bad. The scumbags that stole your money are where the bad guy blame belongs.
W.Wedeking
Cult Sex Symbol
I have to agree with Rob here. PayPal is just a payment service. It is plainly stated in their terms of service what they can and can't do.
As both a seller and a consumer, I have to say that both the sellers and buyers first and best line of defense to keep from getting "ripped off" is THEMSELVES. It seems there are far too many people out there who pass over a company/services TOS without looking and understanding what it means.
The kind of protection you are looking for is offered by credit card companies. Paypal is not a credit card company, it is more like writing a check from your bank account. If you pay for something, don't get it and the check has already been cashed, there is nothing the bank can do about it. The same with PayPal. If the money isn't there, there isn't anything they can do except shut down the account.
As both a seller and a consumer, I have to say that both the sellers and buyers first and best line of defense to keep from getting "ripped off" is THEMSELVES. It seems there are far too many people out there who pass over a company/services TOS without looking and understanding what it means.
The kind of protection you are looking for is offered by credit card companies. Paypal is not a credit card company, it is more like writing a check from your bank account. If you pay for something, don't get it and the check has already been cashed, there is nothing the bank can do about it. The same with PayPal. If the money isn't there, there isn't anything they can do except shut down the account.
sorely disagree
you can not possibly tell me that paypal wount be a better place if they offered better security, they do get a handsom profit as i believe its 3 percent off the top, yes its a good venue, it still could be better, i am going after the bad guys, thats not completely relavant to the case, its simply that paypal said because they couldnt get jack the case was closed, thats still caca no matter what perspective you are coming from, they said nope no money case closed, thats not very helpful, they wouldnt share any info on the parties involved, and again i have read the tos as i have done hundreds of transaction through them, they have the ks attitude towards rip offs, not our problem, i am a customer of theurs as they do make a profit from me, they could leave the case open- forever if thats what needs be, would that make issue for them, no, it would just be that, damien
you can not possibly tell me that paypal wount be a better place if they offered better security, they do get a handsom profit as i believe its 3 percent off the top, yes its a good venue, it still could be better, i am going after the bad guys, thats not completely relavant to the case, its simply that paypal said because they couldnt get jack the case was closed, thats still caca no matter what perspective you are coming from, they said nope no money case closed, thats not very helpful, they wouldnt share any info on the parties involved, and again i have read the tos as i have done hundreds of transaction through them, they have the ks attitude towards rip offs, not our problem, i am a customer of theurs as they do make a profit from me, they could leave the case open- forever if thats what needs be, would that make issue for them, no, it would just be that, damien
Rob @ RK Reptiles
ballpythonmorphs.net
Another way of protecting yourself through paypal is do not send money to someone that is not verified. If they are verified you get their verified address from paypal when you make payment. That in itself gives you a little more security as if something does happen then you know exactly where to go and get them. Another security measure is only use credit cards when making payment (not debit cards). This way you will have the security that the credit card offers you as well.
dwedeking
Member
It would be a better service if they didn't charge me 3%, made the products for me and put them in the box for shipping (I'll handle the label part 
) but reality needs to set in. They are not an investigation firm. They just allow you to send money (unless you pay the extra amount for the protection service, did you?).
) but reality needs to set in. They are not an investigation firm. They just allow you to send money (unless you pay the extra amount for the protection service, did you?).W.Wedeking
Cult Sex Symbol
No, they aren't going to share any information with you on the parties invovled, it is called "Privacy". Legally they are bound by this and so are all other companies that provide the same type of services, including banks and credit card companies.
You will have to persue legal/criminal action and through that, they will give the information. This is the only legal way they can.
Just because the case is closed on their end doesn't mean you have to close it on your end. They have simply said "this is where our responsibilty ends". Yes, it is unfortunate they couldn't get your money back for you, but they aren't the ones who took it. You have the names of several people with the same situation as yours, I believe you could all file a lawsuit at the very least.
You will have to persue legal/criminal action and through that, they will give the information. This is the only legal way they can.
Just because the case is closed on their end doesn't mean you have to close it on your end. They have simply said "this is where our responsibilty ends". Yes, it is unfortunate they couldn't get your money back for you, but they aren't the ones who took it. You have the names of several people with the same situation as yours, I believe you could all file a lawsuit at the very least.
i believe
these guys were actually that, i do have everything on them one could need, they have, and are being investigated by detectives, it should be like this
drivers license number-
ss#-
dob-
bank account tracking number-
bank account number-
home address-
buisiness address-
buisiness phone-
home phone-
other phone-
buisiness license number-
web address-
email address-
these are things i would gladly use in a verification form, being im an honest person, its not public, but for investigation it would help, as alot of us/ are hobbyest obviously not all of this info could be available, but alot could, this means little as i dont work there, just a thought, damien
these guys were actually that, i do have everything on them one could need, they have, and are being investigated by detectives, it should be like this
drivers license number-
ss#-
dob-
bank account tracking number-
bank account number-
home address-
buisiness address-
buisiness phone-
home phone-
other phone-
buisiness license number-
web address-
email address-
these are things i would gladly use in a verification form, being im an honest person, its not public, but for investigation it would help, as alot of us/ are hobbyest obviously not all of this info could be available, but alot could, this means little as i dont work there, just a thought, damien
oh and
i am seeking legal council in fort dodge, it will take time and money, the partys involved have been informed, and will not forward myself or the other victims their legal councils info, so this may take some time, they have been reported to every possible place, as a legal crimal claim ive been informed i should seek civally first so as to get my money back, once idicted federally or by the state for criminal charges i wont see anything, well atleast until they are finished with the first process, as we all know that can take eons, damien
i am seeking legal council in fort dodge, it will take time and money, the partys involved have been informed, and will not forward myself or the other victims their legal councils info, so this may take some time, they have been reported to every possible place, as a legal crimal claim ive been informed i should seek civally first so as to get my money back, once idicted federally or by the state for criminal charges i wont see anything, well atleast until they are finished with the first process, as we all know that can take eons, damien
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On the topic of pay pal
I just accepted a 3500 charge from a guy in Germany for snakes. I am to ship the snakes to an unconfirmed us address where they will be sent on at a later date to the buyer (supposebly allong with other animals that are waiting for export).
My question is this, since he is not a us resident, I am not protected by pay pal on this transaction. I have had the money for over a week, and it has been deposited to my regular bank account. I just spoke with pay pal, and they tell me I cant get any protection from a chargeback. What would you guys do. I still have the animals on hand, and am currently asking the buyer for a written gurantee of no charge backs (basically asking him to state that IF a problem occured it would be handled by me and not pay pal). So far the buyer seems ok with the idea, but seems a bit annoyed I dont trust him after he sent all that money.
What would you guys do. I am just trying to protect myself. When I told him I would accept pay pal, I didnt know he wasnt confirmed, and that since he was out of the country I wouldnt get protection. However pay pal got there 150$ service fee, so a refund would cost me 300$ off the top if I just backed out. What to do what to do.
Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
402-934-9906
I just accepted a 3500 charge from a guy in Germany for snakes. I am to ship the snakes to an unconfirmed us address where they will be sent on at a later date to the buyer (supposebly allong with other animals that are waiting for export).
My question is this, since he is not a us resident, I am not protected by pay pal on this transaction. I have had the money for over a week, and it has been deposited to my regular bank account. I just spoke with pay pal, and they tell me I cant get any protection from a chargeback. What would you guys do. I still have the animals on hand, and am currently asking the buyer for a written gurantee of no charge backs (basically asking him to state that IF a problem occured it would be handled by me and not pay pal). So far the buyer seems ok with the idea, but seems a bit annoyed I dont trust him after he sent all that money.
What would you guys do. I am just trying to protect myself. When I told him I would accept pay pal, I didnt know he wasnt confirmed, and that since he was out of the country I wouldnt get protection. However pay pal got there 150$ service fee, so a refund would cost me 300$ off the top if I just backed out. What to do what to do.
Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
402-934-9906
dwedeking
Member
1. Learn from this. A disclaimer about accepting paypal from confirmed users only. (doesn't handle this situation but hopefully will help fix the next one). If you do a refund via their refund button they will return their (paypal's) fee. The only issue is if he places a complaint with paypal before contacting you.
2. I'd move the money out of that account in case of issue. PayPal can freeze your account and tap into the bank account your paypal account is tied into but only for the amount that is left in the bank account. This will protect you from tying up that $3500 if there is an illegitimate claim filed but won't protect the status of your paypal account.
2. I'd move the money out of that account in case of issue. PayPal can freeze your account and tap into the bank account your paypal account is tied into but only for the amount that is left in the bank account. This will protect you from tying up that $3500 if there is an illegitimate claim filed but won't protect the status of your paypal account.