Bad Guy Phil Robbins and Jeremy Hargett ( jsh reptiles )

[Chris Kennard]

Oh no no...he (invertebrates manager) was too busy for a few days to help with the shipment. Sounds like a good excuse to me (wink, wink). Nothing more to see here folks. Move along now...

 

[filenamex5100]

i think i originally told both phil and Jeremy to stop talking. seems Jeremy was smart enough to not dig himself a deeper hole.
phil just keeps digging. haha

Lucille ....good idea on the new thread with miamicracker in the tittle. that has now been created and linked directly to this thread.

 

[Chris Kennard]

The partners are stearing clear of posts from Mr. Walker, myself and others with valid questions. Seems like Elvis has left the building.

 

[Chris Kennard]

i think i originally told both phil and Jeremy to stop talking. seems Jeremy was smart enough to not dig himself a deeper hole.
phil just keeps digging. haha

Lucille ....good idea on the new thread with miamicracker in the tittle. that has now been created and linked directly to this thread.

Seems the convenience of a "partnership" is the ability to pass the the torch. "Never sold anything to anyone, anywhere", was enough for me to form an opinion early on. Pass that torch bro. You guys are in this together. Let's save the best for last...

 

[Pasodama]

He did not. He referred the 1 person that asked, to me. I in turn explained what happened. And that was that. If this little troll would not have started running his mouth and marking false claims, Jeremy would have referred him to me also but didn't have time as the troll want from 0 to 100 within seconds of his "sting".

From the posted conversations, between Jeremy & the OP, Jeremy *did* refer the OP, to you, in the beginning. Prior to going on, further, with what he had for sale (allegedly, A. togolensis).

Yes I am. Just like he is the tortoise and turtle manager. (I don't really know much about them).

You didn't read the whole thread did you. Both of these were explained in the links to AB where I TOLD EVERYBODY THE 50 THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TOGOLENSIS WERE NOT TOGOLENSUS INCLUDING THIS LITTLE TROLL.

I did read the entire thread.
The conversation, between Jeremy & the OP, took place about one week after you posted the info that you have in all caps (above). A post you had made, on AB, after, as you stated, having opened the box and viewed it's contents (which, according to you, were just more H. hottentotta instead of any A. togolensis).

Since you have disassociated yourself from Jeremy (&/or having done business with him), by your answer to my question/s, then you are throwing Jeremy under the bus as being a liar and, perhaps, scammer.

Clearly, Jeremy stated he purchased the scorps, as A. togolensis, from you.
Also said that the paperwork stated the scorps were A. togolensis (so that is what he is selling them as).
Jeremy also admitted that he had offered A. togolensis, to another individual, prior to the the OP.

I suppose, according to you (via your answer to me), Jeremy must have lied to the OP and acted on his own.
Since that is the case, I wonder why it makes no sense that Jeremy referred the OP to you ... or that you said Jeremy would have referred the OP to you.

Yep, things to ponder.

....

 

[Chris Kennard]

Deb, I truly wish I had your eloquence! That being said, Only one claimed partnership and disassociated himself from this deal from the get go and passed the torch. The supposed invertebrates manager and "damage control" spokesperson. Both silent now. Both guilty? I'm on the fence with little benefit of the doubt.

 

[filenamex5100]

If i recall right, the comminucation i had with jeremy (which all took place on the same day) was the same day i talked to phil about togolensis still being offered for sale. If it were me in phils positions, i wouldve launched an investigation right away to find out more details and i wouldve asked the person emailing me to provide more details so i could get it fixed....rather than getting upset about a real issue that my name was involved in.
If by chance you trully did order the adds for togolensis to be removed and one was forgotten about, that couldve been handled in a better way with a "sorry about that....ill take care of it".

Its all too fishy and like someone said earlier.....the reason things happened so fast and the reason no togolensis were sold is because i opened my big mouth right away before anyone could purchase any (to my knowledge).
Anyone that knows anything about androctonus would be pretty excitd to see togolensis on US soil being offered for sale. Alot of those peoples logic and caution would go out the window due to excitment of getting a really rare scorpion at any price. Thats a recipe for alot of dissapointed buyers.

Im even shocked that since you started a thread on ab about togolensis and knew how rare they are that you or anyone else would even offer them for sale at $30 each. Even if they did arrive as togolensis, theres no way you would let them go for $30 each. Seems to me that the perfect scam would be to offer something that is really rare but offer it for a price that you could quickly make a buck but not ask too much where novice or beginner collectors couldnt afford...no matter how rare they are. Your mistake was offering a really really rare species that caught my attention right away and i knew it was going to be togolensis. Ive got news for you....if my german collectors dont have a species....that means noone else has that species. This was fishy from the first moment i saw the word togolensis in the original thread on ab.

As far as im concerned, 5the debate is over.
By phils own admission, either he and or jeremy are at fault and started a scam. Phil, rather than providing a reasonable explanation and calling names to anyone asking for facts, has buried himself and jeremy.

one of you lied to me and thats enough to cause this reaction.

 

[yeloowtang]

Well this was an interesting read for sure, can't say I believe is explanation much either, not that he will care.. but I also don't believe he got a couple and decided to keep them..
bellow is a copy paste from two last posts on an arachnid forum, dated Oct
16th . What I see here is him telling everyone that he didn't get any of the rare togolensis.. had he received any, even a couple, he would have been way to happy to share with everyone that he got some and will be keeping them.. just another lie..


Oct 15, 2016 #12


Miami Cracker

Miami Cracker

Arachnosquire

76 0 246 South Florida



sorry guys, going through 300+ scorps is tedious. I have what is supposed to be the togolensis set to the side (54 of them) will get to them tomorrow.
On a side noye I have over 200 Hottentotta hottentotta. :happy: Some just gave birth. so.......yeah.........I will post a for sale ad soon....lol.

Miami Cracker, Oct 15, 2016

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Oct 16, 2016 #13


Miami Cracker

Miami Cracker

Arachnosquire

76 0 246 South Florida

Alas it was not meant to be. As soon as I opened the box all I saw was more H. hottentotta.
Dude swears he has togolensis but whatever. anywho.............who wants H. hottentotta?

 

[filenamex5100]

I knew this whole situation was going to be a very confusing read. partly because in a way, I'm like a middleman that got involved because of suspicions I had. that maybe caused me to be a little unorganized and flying by the seat of my pants.

I want to say that I'm glad some of you were able to read and keep up and draw the right conclusion. I would assume how flagrant is in the eye of the beholder.
I do want to say that I'm greatful that others looking from the outside chimed in. you guys and gals had no vested interest in the matter and I feel that makes a big difference in making a judgement call.
id still like to know why phil said I got scammed so I'm butt hurt about it (or whatever words he used). I didn't buy, and never have, purchased or had any dealings with phil or Jeremy that I can recall. that being said....id rather live with the question as to why he asked that rather than deal with him coming in here again and name calling. that's a win win to me.

anyone reading this that purchased any scorpions from phil or Jeremy since mid October 2016, please chime in and share your experience in detail and please provide pictures of the scorpions you purchased (specially if you purchased them as anything from the genus' Androctonus and/or Hottentotta). that's important because you may not have the scorpion you think you have which could pose a safety risk to you and others.

 

[Bayshore_pets]

So I would like to enlighten everyone here..... I think this is a case of miscommunication at its finest....
I myself actually imported these scorpions under MY federal permit for Jeremy...I actually did 3 separate importations during this time out of Ghana and Togo..I was the one who "requested" 500 androctonus togolensis for venom extractions....
Now, with that said..... What I requested and what we actually received were two different things...They were labeled and packed as Androctonus ssp....WHICH was wrong...All 3 separate scorpion shipments were in fact hotentotta... I spoke with USFW and declared these as THE WRONG SPECIES, as well as declared to them that they were packed not within IATA standards....My recourse was letting USFW know that I was NOT happy with my exporter and that I will NEVER again order scorpions from this individual in Africa ever again....USFW requested photos of the packing and pictures of the actual scorpions that arrived...(they were concerned that there may be emperor scorpions in the shipment, which there was not).
At the end of the day, ALL 3 shipments of "androctonus" were in fact identified and verified by ME as hotenttota, and I subsequently made Jeremy aware of this AFTER he had already placed an ad for them to sell(he actually thought they were androctonus, no crime there, honest mistake)....subsequently he did the right thing and took the ad down....I do not know who Phil is, and I only authorized Jeremy to collect the shipment from my broker in Miami after clearing customs..So phil is most likely someone who Jeremy maybe sold too as well or maybe its his business partner, idk and I don't care...what I do know is that if someone purchased these scorpions from Jeremy and they thought that they were androctonus, then they as well would most likely sell them as androctonus... This is a rookie mistake and SHOULD NOT happen, HOWEVER clearly it does! These scorpions were not represented maliciously or even with the intent to defraud anyone....It was a case of mistaken identity that did not get handled as fast as you would have liked....unfortunate...
I see zero reason to bash someone for this....

 

[Chris Kennard]

So I would like to enlighten everyone here..... I think this is a case of miscommunication at its finest....
I myself actually imported these scorpions under MY federal permit for Jeremy...I actually did 3 separate importations during this time out of Ghana and Togo..I was the one who "requested" 500 androctonus togolensis for venom extractions....
Now, with that said..... What I requested and what we actually received were two different things...They were labeled and packed as Androctonus ssp....WHICH was wrong...All 3 separate scorpion shipments were in fact hotentotta... I spoke with USFW and declared these as THE WRONG SPECIES, as well as declared to them that they were packed not within IATA standards....My recourse was letting USFW know that I was NOT happy with my exporter and that I will NEVER again order scorpions from this individual in Africa ever again....USFW requested photos of the packing and pictures of the actual scorpions that arrived...(they were concerned that there may be emperor scorpions in the shipment, which there was not).
At the end of the day, ALL 3 shipments of "androctonus" were in fact identified and verified by ME as hotenttota, and I subsequently made Jeremy aware of this AFTER he had already placed an ad for them to sell(he actually thought they were androctonus, no crime there, honest mistake)....subsequently he did the right thing and took the ad down....I do not know who Phil is, and I only authorized Jeremy to collect the shipment from my broker in Miami after clearing customs..So phil is most likely someone who Jeremy maybe sold too as well or maybe its his business partner, idk and I don't care...what I do know is that if someone purchased these scorpions from Jeremy and they thought that they were androctonus, then they as well would most likely sell them as androctonus... This is a rookie mistake and SHOULD NOT happen, HOWEVER clearly it does! These scorpions were not represented maliciously or even with the intent to defraud anyone....It was a case of mistaken identity that did not get handled as fast as you would have liked....unfortunate...
I see zero reason to bash someone for this....

How do you know they weren't misrepresented maliciously? Do you know Jeremy personally? Have you read this thread? And why does Phil refer to "my African exporter" as if he is the one with the connection? Oh that's right, you don't know Jeremy's partner.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Oh and, what took you so long? Three plus months? Does somebody have another shipment coming in?

 

[Chris Kennard]

And another thing, USFW was concerned about emperor scorpions in the shipment and trusted you to take photos for them?

 

[AllisonLeigh]

So I would like to enlighten everyone here..... I think this is a case of miscommunication at its finest....
I myself actually imported these scorpions under MY federal permit for Jeremy...I actually did 3 separate importations during this time out of Ghana and Togo..I was the one who "requested" 500 androctonus togolensis for venom extractions....
Now, with that said..... What I requested and what we actually received were two different things...They were labeled and packed as Androctonus ssp....WHICH was wrong...All 3 separate scorpion shipments were in fact hotentotta... I spoke with USFW and declared these as THE WRONG SPECIES, as well as declared to them that they were packed not within IATA standards....My recourse was letting USFW know that I was NOT happy with my exporter and that I will NEVER again order scorpions from this individual in Africa ever again....USFW requested photos of the packing and pictures of the actual scorpions that arrived...(they were concerned that there may be emperor scorpions in the shipment, which there was not).
At the end of the day, ALL 3 shipments of "androctonus" were in fact identified and verified by ME as hotenttota, and I subsequently made Jeremy aware of this AFTER he had already placed an ad for them to sell(he actually thought they were androctonus, no crime there, honest mistake)....subsequently he did the right thing and took the ad down....I do not know who Phil is, and I only authorized Jeremy to collect the shipment from my broker in Miami after clearing customs..So phil is most likely someone who Jeremy maybe sold too as well or maybe its his business partner, idk and I don't care...what I do know is that if someone purchased these scorpions from Jeremy and they thought that they were androctonus, then they as well would most likely sell them as androctonus... This is a rookie mistake and SHOULD NOT happen, HOWEVER clearly it does! These scorpions were not represented maliciously or even with the intent to defraud anyone....It was a case of mistaken identity that did not get handled as fast as you would have liked....unfortunate...
I see zero reason to bash someone for this....

Thanks for the info, where you would have a pretty clear paper trail, since you had disputes related to the shipment, can you provide us the dates that the shipment arrived as well as the date you alerted Jeremy that they were not what you had ordered? Did he have them in hand prior to you verifying them?

 

[Bayshore_pets]

In response to your questions Chris Kennard...
#1) I know they were not represented maliciously because I read your thread and the screenshots, and spoke with Jeremy as well, and these are MY personal perceptions.
#2) Yes, I know Jeremy personally....I have imported some African shipments for him and we have also bought and sold to each other numerous times over the years.
#3) Yes, I read this thread, as confusing as it was I tried to make sense of it..
#4) I can only assume that Phil used the verbage "My African exporter" as to not confuse, involve, implicate, or otherwise complicate the forgoing issues that had surfaced....Phil probably saw the African exporter as strictly his contact because those shipments were being directly handled by Jeremy with myself being involved as little as possible as the actual permit holder, I'm not even sure if Phil knows I exist..lol..
I spoke with Jeremy and Phil IS his partner and his insect consultant. I knew Jeremy had an insect consultant but never asked his name before...
#5) It took over 3 months because I rarely IF EVER pull up the BOI and look at it, I suspect this BOI is used more nowadays as a bashing game now, rather than what it was originally intended for, I think it becomes complicated with all the various personality conflicts, and I am too old to honestly deal with the BS..(I typically use word of mouth via my business associates for finding out if someone is legit or I need to vet someone..Its way more personable to talk to someone in real life or even a phone conversation versus texting, emails, or classified ads) and I rarely post to fauna and rarely use this site to promote my sales as well.....(If I ABSOLUTLEY need to move animals to I will post to this site or others, otherwise my vetted clients know what my inventory is and how to get ahold of me if they need something, I have found that it's much more "drama free" that way..
I have tried to get away from selling directly to the public, because of instances exactly like this..
I prefer to offset my costs of importing via selling to other wholesalers and let them liquidate directly to the public or other dealers... We only sell what we will not use for our venom lab....
#6) I can only answer for myself, that I or my company will no longer be importing from this African exporter any longer due to several factors; quality of specimens, number of specimens that were prepaid for vs. what actually arrived, and misrepresentations of animals in the shipping annex. I am fairly certain without conviction however, that Jeremy feels the same way about this exporter...
I have no need for any more importing at this time...We have all the specimens that we need at this time, so maybe in 2018 we will import another shipment from Central or South America...I'm not sure yet... there are a lot of variables to consider as the year goes on...

 

[Chris Kennard]

In response to your questions Chris Kennard...
#1) I know they were not represented maliciously because I read your thread and the screenshots, and spoke with Jeremy as well, and these are MY personal perceptions.
#2) Yes, I know Jeremy personally....I have imported some African shipments for him and we have also bought and sold to each other numerous times over the years.
#3) Yes, I read this thread, as confusing as it was I tried to make sense of it..
#4) I can only assume that Phil used the verbage "My African exporter" as to not confuse, involve, implicate, or otherwise complicate the forgoing issues that had surfaced....Phil probably saw the African exporter as strictly his contact because those shipments were being directly handled by Jeremy with myself being involved as little as possible as the actual permit holder, I'm not even sure if Phil knows I exist..lol..
I spoke with Jeremy and Phil IS his partner and his insect consultant. I knew Jeremy had an insect consultant but never asked his name before...
#5) It took over 3 months because I rarely IF EVER pull up the BOI and look at it, I suspect this BOI is used more nowadays as a bashing game now, rather than what it was originally intended for, I think it becomes complicated with all the various personality conflicts, and I am too old to honestly deal with the BS..(I typically use word of mouth via my business associates for finding out if someone is legit or I need to vet someone..Its way more personable to talk to someone in real life or even a phone conversation versus texting, emails, or classified ads) and I rarely post to fauna and rarely use this site to promote my sales as well.....(If I ABSOLUTLEY need to move animals to I will post to this site or others, otherwise my vetted clients know what my inventory is and how to get ahold of me if they need something, I have found that it's much more "drama free" that way..
I have tried to get away from selling directly to the public, because of instances exactly like this..
I prefer to offset my costs of importing via selling to other wholesalers and let them liquidate directly to the public or other dealers... We only sell what we will not use for our venom lab....
#6) I can only answer for myself, that I or my company will no longer be importing from this African exporter any longer due to several factors; quality of specimens, number of specimens that were prepaid for vs. what actually arrived, and misrepresentations of animals in the shipping annex. I am fairly certain without conviction however, that Jeremy feels the same way about this exporter...
I have no need for any more importing at this time...We have all the specimens that we need at this time, so maybe in 2018 we will import another shipment from Central or South America...I'm not sure yet... there are a lot of variables to consider as the year goes on...

Thank you for the response. So who actually knew or dealt with the African exporter? Also, whether managers or partners, it sure seems like there is ZERO communication between them. You have dealt with Jeremy "over the years", yet it seems you knew nothing of Phil and he knew nothing of you. By the way, was USFW satisfied with the photos? Just trying to connect all those pesky little dots.

 

[filenamex5100]

If jeremy dealt directly with you, why would he tell me that if i had further questions about the scorpions that he would forward me to his invertebrate manager?
If you and jeremy were the initial folks involved in the import and sale from you to him, why does he have hardly no knowledge of the scorpions but was so ready to collect payment?? Still seems very fishy to me. Im not implicating you in anything and frankly dont care until i need to.
The boi serves a great purpose. Its only a bashing game when people start to be deceptive and ignorant. Its still a huge concern to me that a medically significant scorpion was being advertised for sale. If it was a "mixup", which i highly doubt, thats one thing. But to do on purpose could borderline criminal in the event someone was hurt.

Jeremy not knowing anything about the scorpions and referring me to phil is asinine after you said your complete and total dealings were with jeremy. It makes no sense to me still.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Julie, if you could just clear one thing up I will bother you no more. You obviously checked out the whole shipment and stated that the animals in question were in fact "identified and verified by me as Hotenttota". You knew the labels were incorrect. Did you make Jeremy aware of this and if not, why?

 

[Bayshore_pets]

In response to Mr. Chris Kennard and Ms. Allison Leigh
Yes USFW had informed me when the shipment arrived that they had limited personnel to actually unpack the scorpions and inspect because, I am assuming the way that they were sent would have been dangerous to their officers to unpack, idk...(ALL scorps were packed in 1 bag together!! completely NOT adhering to IATA or Federal standards) Emperor scorps are now a CITES insect and I had not had emperors on our annex sheet, and apparently "some" African exporters send emperors as mislabeled scorps (when I told my exporter that these were NOT the correct species, the exporter told me that "ALL SCORPIONS are the same there" I emphatically informed him that that does not fly with US regulations and that he cannot send species he is not familiar with...to which he said he would send the correct species on the next shipment..(which didn't happen either)..
Yes, the USFW "trusted" that I send pictures to them once the animals were received and unpacked carefully by Jeremy's personnel.(I kept in close contact with the USFW and my customs broker while this process was going on and provided them ALL information that they requested, we have always had a transparent relationship with state and federal officials)..We have had no previous federal or state violations, so I can only assume that USFW took this into account when determining the outcome of the animals that arrived into the port of Miami on this particular importation.
For dates when this shipment came in or any other questions concerning this shipment I imported for Jeremy, you should direct your questions to the U.S. fish and Wildlife Service..This is public knowledge...just ask them..
Our Wildlife inspector that day was Ms. Witherwax, 3701 NW 82nd Avenue, Unit 1, Doral, Fl, 33166
USFW importation/exportation (404)679-7195, Local USFW office in Miami (305)526-2620

and Yes, Jeremy had them in hand prior to me verifying what had been shipped. I authorized Jeremy to collect this shipment from my broker in Miami and unpack the animals at his facility. Jeremy "thought" that these were in fact Androctonus simply because he went off of the CITES, and trophy permits from the exporting country and had no reason to believe otherwise that the exporter was incompetent....

 

[Chris Kennard]

In response to Mr. Chris Kennard and Ms. Allison Leigh
Yes USFW had informed me when the shipment arrived that they had limited personnel to actually unpack the scorpions and inspect because, I am assuming the way that they were sent would have been dangerous to their officers to unpack, idk...(ALL scorps were packed in 1 bag together!! completely NOT adhering to IATA or Federal standards) Emperor scorps are now a CITES insect and I had not had emperors on our annex sheet, and apparently "some" African exporters send emperors as mislabeled scorps (when I told my exporter that these were NOT the correct species, the exporter told me that "ALL SCORPIONS are the same there" I emphatically informed him that that does not fly with US regulations and that he cannot send species he is not familiar with...to which he said he would send the correct species on the next shipment..(which didn't happen either)..
Yes, the USFW "trusted" that I send pictures to them once the animals were received and unpacked carefully by Jeremy's personnel.(I kept in close contact with the USFW and my customs broker while this process was going on and provided them ALL information that they requested, we have always had a transparent relationship with state and federal officials)..We have had no previous federal or state violations, so I can only assume that USFW took this into account when determining the outcome of the animals that arrived into the port of Miami on this particular importation.
For dates when this shipment came in or any other questions concerning this shipment I imported for Jeremy, you should direct your questions to the U.S. fish and Wildlife Service..This is public knowledge...just ask them..
Our Wildlife inspector that day was Ms. Witherwax, 3701 NW 82nd Avenue, Unit 1, Doral, Fl, 33166
USFW importation/exportation (404)679-7195, Local USFW office in Miami (305)526-2620

and Yes, Jeremy had them in hand prior to me verifying what had been shipped. I authorized Jeremy to collect this shipment from my broker in Miami and unpack the animals at his facility. Jeremy "thought" that these were in fact Androctonus simply because he went off of the CITES, and trophy permits from the exporting country and had no reason to believe otherwise that the exporter was incompetent....

Wait, what? Why did you have to wait to send pics to USFW til after Jeremy recieved his shipment? Lastly, how many scorpions did you personally send that were not Hotenttota?