Bad Guy Philip Vena buy-axolotls.com

[ChameleonCans]

We shipped a 50 lot of axolotl to Philip Vena. He received them on Wednesday using two day shipping with FedEx. Today, Thursday, he has disputed the case on paypal saying that only 40 were shipped. On all of our shipments of axolotl we have sent more then the amount paid for. In this case we sent over 50 instead of exactly 50. Although $30 isn't worth escalating this into a huge deal it is enough of a problem that people should be warned about Philip Vena.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Were they shipped in separate primary containers within the larger secondary shipping container? Is there a possibility cannibalism was experienced? Just curious. I do not keep them now, but I remember as a kid that these things would sometimes consume their tankmates.

I hope everything gets resolved.

 

[ChameleonCans]

They were shipped in four groups of 13-14 per a bag. Although they are cannibalistic, it is very doubtful that 15 were consumed completely. My concern for others is the greed behind this buyer to ask for an additional $30 when 5-8 axolotl were given for free on top of the 50 ordered.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

I get you. I just figured I would ask because I knew them to get a bit vicious with each other and I was not sure how much so would be within reasonable bounds. Thanks.

 

[Kimfishepet]

I ordered just 5 axolotl from chameleon cans and received 7 healthy, completely intact axolotl. In my experience "cannibalism" occurs only when they accidentally bite off a limb or gill due to their tendency to snap at anything that moves. I also have not let my axolotl go hungry but I suppose if one were to cannibalize it's sibling completely there would have to be a great size difference in them for one thing. All 7 of mine were shipped in a single bag and I was actually quite surprised there was not a single toe missing

 

[axolotl_jake]

I purchased 50 axolotls from Chameleon Cans and not only did they add more than I paid for, all of them were in perfect condition when they arrived with full bellies.

It's really unfortunate that some people will dispute charges to get a better deal. It's even more unfortunate that paypal usually takes the buyer's side. I hope it all works out for you.

 

[Lucille]

Chris, can you weigh 40 and 55 axolotls, compare your figures to the shipping charge you paid, and perhaps use that as proof to Paypal that you sent at least 55?

 

[Kimfishepet]

That'd be awesome but I'm sure with all the other variables, the biggest being amount/weight of the water, it's probably impossible.

 

[axolotl_jake]

That'd be awesome but I'm sure with all the other variables, the biggest being amount/weight of the water, it's probably impossible.

This is true, it'd be impossible to distinguish the difference between a bag of axolotls and a bag of water going just by the weight. The amphibian community is supposed to be like a family but some people are not honest and will try anything to get ahead. The best thing to do is to warn others about dealing with this person to prevent it from happening again.

Although, anyone who reads through that website and has done any previous reading about axolotls will know not to deal with that person because the site is full of misleading and false information.

 

[ChameleonCans]

I wish I would have researched him but don't really have time to search backgrounds on buyers. Thanks for the kind words. Hope it works out but have some doubts that it will be sided in my favor with PayPal.

 

[Buy-Axolotls]

BAD GUY - Chris Van Aken - Chris Van Aken

Bad Guy - Chris Van Aken - ChameleonCans.com,

Please let me remind you that I won my Paypal dispute with you. listed below:

Chris Van Aken PP-002-927-971-128 Other

Chargeback
-$195.00 USD 1/28/2014 Case Closed 2/7/2014 View

Let me also remind you that you do not have a Guarantee Live Arrival, and that you intentionally try to kill the Axolotls by not putting any air in the bag.

You have a very bad history with Paypal.

Buyers beware of this sell Chris Van Aken - ChameleonCans.com

Philip Vena
Founder of Buy-Axolotls.com

We Protect Axolotls
www.Buy-Axolotls.com
4531 Cornell Avenue
Downers Grove, IL 60515-2609 USA
(Near West Side of Chicago)
Phone: 1-630-390-7070 (Landline)
Email: [email protected]
Axolotl Forum: http://Buy-Axolotls.com/phpbb

 

[Buy-Axolotls]

Bad Guy - Chris Van Aken - ChameleonCans

Buyers beware of this sell Chris Van Aken - ChameleonCans.com

Bad Guy - Chris Van Aken - ChameleonCans.com,

Please let me remind you that I won my Paypal dispute with you. listed below:

Chris Van Aken PP-002-927-971-128 Other

Chargeback
-$195.00 USD 1/28/2014 Case Closed 2/7/2014 View

Let me also remind you that you do not have a Guarantee Live Arrival, and that you intentionally try to kill the Axolotls by not putting any bag with out any air.

You have a very bad history with Paypal.

Buyers beware of this sell Chris Van Aken - ChameleonCans.com

Philip Vena
Founder of Buy-Axolotls.com

We Protect Axolotls
www.Buy-Axolotls.com
4531 Cornell Avenue
Downers Grove, IL 60515-2609 USA
(Near West Side of Chicago)
Phone: 1-630-390-7070 (Landline)
Email: [email protected]
Axolotl Forum: http://Buy-Axolotls.com/phpbb

 

[hhmoore]

Mr Vena, if you want to post Buyer Beware warnings about the OP, please do it in a thread about him...otherwise, just tell your side of things and show your proof.

 

[ChameleonCans]

We do not remember if we spoke to Mr. Vena on the phone to setup the order or through text. Either way, we do not have any more record of our conversations. We do not guarantee live arrival on shipments in which the buyer chooses two day deliver over next day. On all of our shipments we try to push the seller into using next day shipping which we offer live arrival. However, most people choose to save the money and select two day shipping over next day shipping. Mr. Vena chose two day shipping over next day shipping. The claim that we do not care for axolotl and "intentionally" try to harm them is incorrect. We wish Mr. Vena the best of luck with his axolotl but we will not be doing business with him nor would we suggest using his service to anyone looking to buy an axolotl.

 

[axolotl_jake]

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-$195.00 USD 1/28/2014 Case Closed 2/7/2014 View

I sincerely hope everyone who reads this thread understands the severity of your actions. First you claimed that 10 axolotls were missing out of your order from Chris, now you get back the full $195.00 refund? The axolotls you bought were $3 each, this is obviously a scam on your part. Even if you had been shorted 10 axolotls, it would only amount to $30 (I'm sure he didn't even short you 10 of them, but even if he had).

Just because you won a paypal dispute doesn't mean you were right. Paypal is a flawed system and shouldn't have even allowed this to happen because buyer protection doesn't cover the purchase of a live animal.

 

[Pasodama]

Chargeback -$195.00 USD 1/28/2014 Case Closed

You have a very bad history with Paypal

Well, you certainly will have a bad rep here. Especially if you do not send the OP at least $165 of what you received from Paypal.
Seriously? A full refund when all you alleged to be missing was 10 Axolotls out of 50!?
By getting a full refund, and if you do not send at least $165 to the OP, you have 40 "ill gotten" (what some would term stolen) Axolotls.

 

[laterob]

I'd be okay calling them stolen.

 

[Snakesatsunset]

That sucks Chris! Every Axolotl we have gotten from Chris has been excellent, and shipped professionally, as well as with PLENTY space, and clean water, and exactly as described animals.
Shame someone "wins" a dispute to get free stuff - sounds EXACTLY like what happened here.
If by a tiny chance you are missing "10" of them, then the money is not yours, deduct the ten and send the rest back.
By keeping it, it is considered THEFT in most peoples eyes.

 

[TeguBuzz]

As of right now, you are a thief. Philip, send the rest of the money back.

 

[BinxSundance]

Screenshot in post #14 says "charge back amount $30"

I don't think the OP lost all $195, just the $30.