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Phoenix worm vs silk worm ?

I prefer silk worms, they're easy to hatch yourself, and they're a lot more bang for your buck feeding wise. Only down side is that they poo a lot and the mulberry food can be a pain. Usually if I get Phoenix's they arrive half dead, just never really had luck with them.
 
Hi again future illinoisian ...lol, anyway back on subject, I ordered 600 Phoenix and should be here wednesday so hopefully there not 1/2 dead !!! That would not be cool! Unfortunately my lil guy is only around 4-5" rite now and I could not find the silk worm in a small, so I decided to wait on the silk worm till he's a lil bit bigger. I have read that the Phoenix worm is the best nutritional value of all do you know If this is true? Also who did you order your Phoenix that arrived 1/2 dead from?
Thanks Alex
 
Hello!
You could probably do mediums for a smaller dragon, the smalls are really small, and it's pretty much impossible for them become impacted on silkworms. I've ordered them through Ghanns and CoastalSilkworms, even picking them up at a local shop they seem to die pretty quickly, hope you have better luck.Found a chart of comparisons.. http://www.chameleonsnorthwest.com/nutrition chart.jpg
 
Silkworms are great, but they eat a LOT. You either need mulberry leaves or the food they sell with the worms. Excellent nutritional value though. You're not that far from me (St. Louis), mulberry trees grow like weeds here. You should be able to scout some out in your area.
 
Yes my father actually has a large mulberry tree in his front yard so I could go there an get as many leaves as I want. Do you know a local place to get silk worms so I don't have to order them ?
 
If there's anyone local, I haven't found them yet. Unfortunately, you have to pay overnight shipping because the they will die after 2 days in the heat. Since you have access to a tree, don't order any pre-made food. It really increases your shipping cost because it's heavy (like Play Doh). Just throw a handful of leaves on them every day. They pretty much eat non-stop!
 
Silkworms are a great food source and if you have a ready source of mulberry leaves, thats even better. If they don't bother you, I'd recommend starting a very small colony of dubias (10 gallon tank size). They are very easy to keep, dragons love them, and would be a great 'co-feeder' with your silkworms.
 
I actually bought 50 mixed dubia last tuesday to try an start my own colony, been feeding dry cat food an mustard greens. I looked at them today an several were white from molting I guess. But ya kinda got off the subject ...lol but thanks for the advice.
 
Got them today!!!

So the Phoenix worms came today(2 days late) and the smalls are extra small, I think I should have got medium..lol BUT they were at least all alive well atleast what I can see. And so far my beardie has ate about a dozen or so, not quit as many as I was expecting....BUT he does seem to like them so I guess so far I'm gonna give the Phoenix worm a thumbs up(altho there pricey an a lil slow on shipping) they seem to induce a pretty good feeding response and are easy to prepare due to packing not sticking too bad.
 
both are good repti worms are smaller and better for younger dragons and silks are good to add to the mix as a stable variety is best there are at least 6 worms you could use heres some nutritional facts

( silk worms) 1:2.4 calcuim to protien /calcuim is 63.8%Contain an enzyme called serrapeptase, this has properties that make calcium absorption more efficient, can reduce inflammation, pain and best of all it can break down arterial plaque.

repti worms or pheonix worms

Phoenix Worms
1.52:1 calcuim to protien
17.3% protien
9.4% fat

Butterworms
16.2%pro
5.2% fat

hornworms
46.4mg/100g sample. They are also low in fat, 3.07%, and have no chitin or exoskeleton so your animal has no worry of impaction.

superworms
1 ; 18 calcuim to protien
17.4% calcuim
17.9%fat

waxworms
1:7 calcuim to protien
15.5 calcuim
22.2fat
 
Phoenix worm update.

So as far as I can tell my bear die still likes crickets over these Phoenix worms. Don't get me wrong he's eating the worms just not as often or as many as the crickets, I bought 600 and probably have only fed about 100 or so? Hopefully he takes to them maybe the mediums will trigger a better response???
 
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