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I was just thinking today about how stunning a hatchling pied is but an adult generally tends to darken up pretty much. Still a good looking snake, but not nearly as much as a hatchling.

Then I got to thinking about what if you bred a pastel to a pied. Would the pastel influence cause the eventual pied offspring from such a project to retain good color into adulthood? And what of the eventual super pastel pied?

Just wondering mainly if this project has been undertaken and if so has any offspring been raised from them yet.
If the pastel influence carried into the pied line, they would be some awesome looking snakes.
 
I agree! ... Super pastel pieds will be AMAZING! ... Has anyone heard of pastels het pied?

-adam
 
From what I've heard...

There are more than a few people working on this project at the moment, but final results are probably at least a season or two away, and I must agree...they should be knock-out animals!! IMHO I feel the majority of smaller breeders would still rather see quicker results from their projects, and then after a few clutches, start crossing their Pieds with Pastels, Super Pastels, etc...it's obvious we've only scratched the surface with P' regius, and what the future brings will be out of this world!!
 
Pastel Pieds are at least a few breeding seasons project...but the formula is easy enough. Breed a Pied male to a Super Pastel female, making ALL offspring Pastel het for pied. Raise the females to breeding size, and breed back to daddy. Now you end up with a standard clutch breakdown....50%pastels 50%normals ALL pieds. Breed pastel pieds back to pastel het for pieds and get 25%superPieds 50%pastelPieds 25%normalPieds. Now this has taken about 4 (bare minimum) seasons, but now you have Super Pastel Pieds, meaning ANY pied you breed them with will produce ALL Pastel Pieds. The reason none are currently on the market was mentioned earlier though, smaller outfits need a quicker return on their initial investment. So they are not working on maybes and possibles they are cranking out Pieds if they can. This is why I suggest a pied male and super Pastel female, you can breed a male to multiple females and get pieds right along while working on this project. Good Luck!!! Of course all of this is just my thoughts on how to work on this type of project without losing you shirt in the process. Matt
 
Breed a Pied male to a Super Pastel female, making ALL offspring Pastel het for pied. Raise the females to breeding size, and breed back to daddy. Now you end up with a standard clutch breakdown....50%pastels 50%normals ALL pieds.
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This is inaccurate. The offspring would not all be pied, because the females are hets.
Statistics are pretty useless considering clutch size, and the fact you've probably only got 3-4 pastel females het pied from the initial breeding. Regardless, you would potentially produce pastels, pieds, and pastel pieds, as well as normals, but all of the offspring would not be pied. All offspring not displaying the pied trait would of course be het however.
Accomplishing this in four seasons is extremely optomistic.
 
Yes you are right, I wrote that during that time of day my whole house wants something from me. It would break down something like 50/50 on pieds as well at that point, so if you get lucky at least one would be Pastel Pied. Again you are right 4 years is optimistic, I was simply stating it would be no less than that. I have to say though, a Pastel Pied will be one of the most impressive morphs when it is done. I am glad to see I am not the only one looking for new directions for Pastels to be bred in. Thanks for the correction, Matt
 
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