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please sign this petition

puppytoes72 said:
who are you referring to bart? who said that?
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Which part? Ben stated he hopes they meet halfway. If the petition doesn't meet one's specfic goal, start another. Why sign it with a different goal in mind. You made the statement that your husband was highly allergic to cats and dogs and shouldn't have to deal with them in the cabin. A great point for making the argument that all pets should be banned but doesn't help what the petition is stating. I do not see anything rude about my post. It was direct and to the point, just not what you wanted to hear. I am sure the writer put a lot of work into the petition but it does not appear that they put a lot of thought into it.

Bart
 
bsharrah said:
Which part? Ben stated he hopes they meet halfway. If the petition doesn't meet one's specfic goal, start another. Why sign it with a different goal in mind. You made the statement that your husband was highly allergic to cats and dogs and shouldn't have to deal with them in the cabin. A great point for making the argument that all pets should be banned but doesn't help what the petition is stating. I do not see anything rude about my post. It was direct and to the point, just not what you wanted to hear. I am sure the writer put a lot of work into the petition but it does not appear that they put a lot of thought into it.

Bart
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ben might have hopes of them at least meeting halfway but who said that the AUTHOR was willing to meet halfway?so why start another petition? AND MY STATEMENT ABOUT MY HUSBAND'S ALLERGIES WAS IN RESPONSE TO WES'S COMMENT ABOUT A GRANNY GETTING SCARED OF A REPTILE,it was not meant to,or had i intended it be used as a "great point"for the petition.you were very rude with your comment about the author although you obviously do not want to admit to it.bottom line....if you don't agree with the petition then don't sign it.didn't your mother ever tell you "if you do not have anything nice to say then don not say anything at all"?
 
Is this another kairo personality rearing its ugly head?

What is with the nutjobs lately?

I know the moon is just past full, but it seems we've had them in far excess of the abundance we usually enjoy.

Rich, you got a link to some mental health treatment facility now or something?
 
I would support allowing reptiles to be put into the animal cargo hold like cats and dogs but not in the cabin. I can just see Bubba taking his 100 pound retic into the cabin and scaring the daylights out of someone or worse, someone scaring the snake and have it get defensive.

Personally, I think all animals except guide animals should not be allowed in the cabin with the passengers.
 
Wilomn said:
Is this another kairo personality rearing its ugly head?

What is with the nutjobs lately?

I know the moon is just past full, but it seems we've had them in far excess of the abundance we usually enjoy.

Rich, you got a link to some mental health treatment facility now or something?
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yeah rich,you need a shrink over at this forum because everyone here just loves drama and likes to argue and debate everything.i swore i would never post here again, but i figured this petition was for a good cause and how can anyone possibly criticize it? HA,i should have known better....IT'S FAUNA :rofl:
 
bsharrah said:
I do not see anything rude about my post.
Bart
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There was nothing rude or wrong about your stated opinion. Just a low tolerance for others opinions from the original poster.

puppytoes72 said:
Furthermore Bart,as a "contributing member" of the forum i would expect you to handle yourself a little better and set a good example
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That was way over the top for his post.
 
Dennis Hultman said:
There was nothing rude or wrong about your stated opinion. Just a low tolerance for others opinions from the original poster.
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If you don't reccognize the name, browse the post history. Everything they have written here once there was a netative response to the contents of the petition is side splittingly hilarious hipocrasy.
 
puppytoes72 said:
yeah rich,you need a shrink over at this forum because everyone here just loves drama and likes to argue and debate everything.i swore i would never post here again, but i figured this petition was for a good cause and how can anyone possibly criticize it? HA,i should have known better....IT'S FAUNA :rofl:
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Given your penchant for instigating and escalating conflict, those are some pretty ironic statements.

How could anyone possibly criticize the petition? Easily. It's called logic. To begin with, online petitions are inconsequential. They are what's referred to as "slacktivism." In short, they accomplish nothing other than giving the signers a false sense of doing something, while the reality is they are doing nothing at all.

Also, there simply is no way that airlines are going to allow small reptiles as carry-on for a plethora of reasons. One is that dogs and cats are relatively easy to contain and control if they escape from their carrier. A snake, on the other hand, can disappear before the owner even knows what happened. The search for an escaped snake has the potential to ground the aircraft.
 
I don't see the reason to argue over this, Its either you agree or you don't, You can state your opinion or not, But an opinion is just that, I don't find a reason to try to change someones mind, Because most likely they wont.

Now as for my post, Picture it this way, Your buying a new car. Lets just say for the sake of this its $30,000 and the dealer buys it for $22,000. Now you could haggle it saying you will pay $23,000 but in most cases unless its the end of the season and they are getting next years in they will turn it down, So they may say $27,000 and you say $24,000 You may meet at $25,000, Which is a good deal, but not exactly what your aiming for.

But again lets say you shoot for $25,000 for the same $30,000 car, The dealer may say $28,000, You say $26,000 You settle at $27,000. In this case you are not getting as much as you want, And depending on the personal situation it is a savings but not as much as you'd like. Starting low and meeting in the middle gives you a better outcome then starting in the middle and meeting half way. But this only works as long as you don't shoot below what they pay for it, because they wont loose money.

With reptiles, I think a 6ft water monitor or 18ft retic would be a problem, Just as a German Shepard or Golden retriever, People don't want a big animal on the plane, But a 7" Leopard gecko, 42" corn snake, 10" RES or 18" bearded dragon shouldn't be a big problem, Just as they allow cats and small dogs like jack russels, Yorkshire terriers ext. Also If you read the Petition it states they will be carefully packed and concealed, So as long as the people around you don't see it or you tell them its there, They will never know it was.

Thats my logic to my previous post. Thanks,
Ben
 
Ken Harbart said:
Given your penchant for instigating and escalating conflict, those are some pretty ironic statements.

How could anyone possibly criticize the petition? Easily. It's called logic. To begin with, online petitions are inconsequential. They are what's referred to as "slacktivism." In short, they accomplish nothing other than giving the signers a false sense of doing something, while the reality is they are doing nothing at all.

Also, there simply is no way that airlines are going to allow small reptiles as carry-on for a plethora of reasons. One is that dogs and cats are relatively easy to contain and control if they escape from their carrier. A snake, on the other hand, can disappear before the owner even knows what happened. The search for an escaped snake has the potential to ground the aircraft.
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thats real nice ken :rolleyes: really,this site is a joke.on beardeddragon.org things are going really smoothly and ppl actually get along.over there people are choosong to sign it or choosing NOT to sign it but they certainly aren't arguing about it and putting down the author and saying the petition is "useless".whatever,you guys can wallow in your debates,drama and arguments over here.i choose to go where ppl are nice and respect each other :D
 
puppytoes72 said:
thats real nice ken :rolleyes: really,this site is a joke.on beardeddragon.org things are going really smoothly and ppl actually get along.over there people are choosong to sign it or choosing NOT to sign it but they certainly aren't arguing about it and putting down the author and saying the petition is "useless".whatever,you guys can wallow in your debates,drama and arguments over here.i choose to go where ppl are nice and respect each other :D
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See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya and try not to let the door hit your ass on the way out, I don't want to have to re-hang it again.
 
hmmm..isnt saying A** against the rules? lets see if you get points for that one.i doubt it though.there is clearly "favorites" on this site. :rolleyes:
 
puppytoes72 said:
hmmm..isnt saying A** against the rules? lets see if you get points for that one.i doubt it though.there is clearly "favorites" on this site. :rolleyes:
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I am absolutely sick and tired of this kind of crap and the other Fauna bashing you have already done in this thread. If you hate it so much here, just leave and don't come back. Enjoy your 3 day vacation from Fauna. It should be a welcome relief for you since you don't have the self control to stay away yourself.
 
puppytoes72 said:
i swore i would never post here again, but i figured this petition was for a good cause and how can anyone possibly criticize it? HA,i should have known better....IT'S FAUNA :rofl:
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puppytoes72 said:
thats real nice ken really,this site is a joke.
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puppytoes72 said:
i choose to go where ppl are nice and respect each other
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If you're going to leave, just do it. If you're going to participate cut the crap and participate. The thread started off just fine. This forum is "general herp talk". Topics are discussed here. One person stated the petition was useless as did several on the two other sites I viewed the petition on.

For his opinion here your continuous degrading of the site is unwarranted. Take it to the feedback section or just leave.
 
DThomas said:
I am absolutely sick and tired of this kind of crap and the other Fauna bashing you have already done in this thread. If you hate it so much here, just leave and don't come back. Enjoy your 3 day vacation from Fauna. It should be a welcome relief for you since you don't have the self control to stay away yourself.
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Never mind my post. Goodbye Michele!
 
puppytoes72 said:
thats real nice ken :rolleyes: really,this site is a joke.on beardeddragon.org things are going really smoothly and ppl actually get along.over there people are choosong to sign it or choosing NOT to sign it but they certainly aren't arguing about it and putting down the author and saying the petition is "useless".whatever,you guys can wallow in your debates,drama and arguments over here.i choose to go where ppl are nice and respect each other :D
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The "drama" on this site is caused by people such as yourself, so you may want to look in the mirror before you start casting aspersions Even in this thread, you're stepping into the role of drama queen. God forbid that anyone enlighten you to basic facts, because you've consistently demonstrated that you just can't take constructive criticism very well.

It's not a matter of opinion that online petitions are ineffective; it is a factual matter that has been qualified and quantified. An online petition has about the same efficacy as walking into a restroom at Walmart and airing your same grievance. In short, neither one works.

A few of the reasons why it will not be feasible to allow reptiles into the cabin have been set forth, to which there has been no valid counterpoint made. Rather than address them, you simply let your true self shine through.

That being said, I can't say you'll be missed should you choose not to return after your three day vacation. However, I do feel sorry for you, because it must really suck to go through life filled with so much spite. Perhaps one day you'll learn to let it go and to actually utilize that spongy stuff between your ears to reason.
 
What I find funny is that, why post a topic and when you recieve criticism you get all defensive about it? I posted a topic a few weeks ago or so and people gave me criticism, I didn't get defensive about it. Take their opinions in consideration and see other points of view. If it's a discussion board, be prepared to hear all the people who agree with you but also be prepared for all the crap people have to say about what you bring up. You should be glad that people even took time to write in your topic to begin with regardless if it's not what you think or believe. You'd feel a lot more retarded if your topic just sat there with no feedback for days and days wouldn't you?

I'm not arguing with any one here, I just think if people start a topic, you shouldn't just expect everyone to go along with you; you need to be prepared for all the neg comments as well.

But about the petition and snakes on planes. I think it's a very bad idea. Stress on snakes from being shipped? Don't you think they'd be just as stressed when they're up in the plan 'safe' with you? It's all the same s*** to them. Althought I do agree with who ever said, they shouldn't allow dogs and cats to be in cargo if they don't allow other animals. I think they should say all animals can be shipped in cargo (under certain circumstances obviously) OR they shouldn't allow anything at all.

Regardless of everything stated in this message, I personally think it's rediculous that they allow pets in general to be allowed to 'fly' in planes. Planes are for humans not for animals. OR, if you wanted to ship your dog/cat/snake/horse/damn zebra's or something, then they should have seperate airlines for animals, and that's that. (My opinion on this issue).
 
"i choose to go where ppl are nice and respect each other"

As soon as she/he arrives, there goes that statement. If I had noticed who started it, I wouldn't bother to read it.
As to the actual subject, I think pets should be disallowed in cabins, due to the allergies. Good arguement on the containment issue if there is an escape. I do think reptiles should be considered the same as other pets for the cargo area.
Personally, I think I'd rather ride with the dogs and reptiles rather than with the human passengers. They were super irratating to me this past week on all five planes.
 
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