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Bad Guy Predetors pete martinez

ok here she is out side her cage. now a vision 632 is 6ft x 3ft x 18inches high.

i will get true reading with a tape in the morning but you all can see
 
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allright people here is the deal i Pete martinez from Predators suppositly sent the unhappy recipian of the snake a 7ft rather then a 9ft granite burm when he called and complained i appologized to him and said i would gladly like to work with him to make him happy within reason without asking for proof of any mite infestation or anything else i offered to either send him another snake along with some cash i tried to make up for what had happened so we aggreed on one thing only and that was that i would replace the lab for the granite and some cash but we did not aggree on an amount he came up with the 200.00 because he thinks thats is what i should pay him back but i never aggreed to that i did tell him money was tight i am still willing to offer him 20.00 more towards refund to make it an even 100.00 back towards the refund and i think that would be fair being that she was healthy and also 100% het for albino which also adds more value to the grannite which i guarentee most people would not even try to step up and offer any type of refund or another snake for that matter i did both im sorry he was not happy i have plenty of references showing that im as honests they come i always try to make things right but as we all know you cant please everyone but i tried sorry it took so long for me to reply also i would like to thanks all you people standing behind me i really appreciate it and as far as bad coments about me this is my first and you can see i have sold many reptiles if i was really triyng to screw him or if i was that kind of person i would think i would have more claims about me if i was that kind of person , well i dont so that alone should tell you most people are happy with me and my reptiles once again im sorry for what happened and if you want the extra 20.00 im offering you as final payment towards refund then send me your mailing address and i will send it .ok im done now ,thanks have a great day guys ,Pete
 
If you're such a "good guy" how did the snake lose 24 inches and gain a rather large scar. between the collecting of a customers money and shipping the snake?
 
well i measured the skin and now i realize next time i should measure the snake i know now how to properly do that and as far as the scar that was an honest mistake i forgot to mention the scar remember i was under alot of stress at the time due to the loss of all my reptiles i obviously was not in my right state of mind and that scar happened along time ago and i highly doubt you would be thinking right if you went through all that hope that answers your questions
 
we did not aggree on an amount he came up with the 200.00 because he thinks thats is what i should pay him back but i never aggreed to that

i guarentee most people would not even try to step up and offer any type of refund or another snake


You are so full of :censored:. what other snake did you offer to send to make up for the remaining money owed??? I mentioned to you i was looking for a baby yellow anaconda if you can find one i would take that but no reply back so i found my own pair of yellows. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139143



dont try to be the good guy here.:angry: I had alot of emails from people here telling me all your buddies are backing you up. thats the way things work on the BOI so i hear. Someone also stated that you and Lucille are real close but i cant prove that so im ending that now.



From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2009 11:59:55 PM
Subject: Re: 8ft female labrinth burmese

i would take 1.1 baby yellow anacondas if you can find them. we are going to the reptile show here in pittsburgh next sunday and thats what im looking for. Paul


she was healthy and also 100% het for albino which also adds more value to the grannite

I think the $450 is a fair price for the granite not $650 and if he refunded the $20 that would bring it down to $550.

WOW so my 13ft albino granite i just got from Outback Reptiles for $300 + $100 shipping for a total if $400 must be worth a $1000 in your eyes then.


my Hypo that i will have in the morning sence its het albino and i paid $1650 for it i guess its actually worth like 10k LMAO
 
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here is a few post of granites for sale just so people can see they are not worth what i paid. they are all close to the size i recieved from pete. every one is breeding them and they are over populated in the reptile trade now. Thats why they dropped so much in price over the years.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135607&highlight=granite

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142244&highlight=granite

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138404&highlight=granite

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137262&highlight=granite
 
dont try to be the good guy here.:angry: I had alot of emails from people here telling me all your buddies are backing you up. thats the way things work on the BOI so i hear. Someone also stated that you and Lucille are real close but i cant prove that so im ending that now.

Cheap shot, I do not even know this seller. I said what I thought, as did most people on this thread; it is another cheap shot to tear down the BOI simply because not everyone agrees with you.

And my gut feeling on this deal has been, I think, vindicated. you took it upon yourself to make up the final selling price of this snake without agreement from the vendor.

My suggestion would be to wait a bit until Pete has some cash. Pete, you were willing to spring for another 20 bucks, why not put a little more in and pay for shipping back to you, and refund the sale price.
 
Paul,
It really sounds as if you found better deals after the fact, and are trying to leverage the seller to meet the price. It doesn't matter what anybody else is charging for similar animals - you made the original deal with the seller, and accepted the offered replacement. Granted, she might be smaller than expected, but that difference doesn't equate to $200.
 
For the record:
Let me state for the record that I do not know either of these two gentlemen personally. Paul bought a snake from me last year on a payment plan that went smoothly. A few months later I inquired about the snake's well-being and was updated. Our limited correspondence has been limited to business purposes and that's it. I do not know Pete Martinez and have never had any business dealings with him. There is no business or personal interest in my participation of this thread. I merely joined this discussion because I felt Paul was taking a needless beating. I would do the same for Pete or anyone else.

Now that I'm already involved, hopefully I can help to resolve this issue so that both parties can save face & move on. None of us are perfect, we all have made, or will make, mistakes. As said many times here in the BOI, it's not so much whether or not we make mistakes, it''s what we do in the aftermath that counts. Honesty & good communication, from both parties, is vital.

Pete & Paul,
I know neither one of you enjoy being questioned, but don't consider every question to be an accusation. Unfortunately, your situation has gone on long enough to be brought to the attention of the public and both of you are now at the mercy of public opinion. We all know how people's opinions can vary, but honestly answering pertinent questions can & will go a long way toward saving face and receiving mercy.

Whatever you do, don't fall into the infamous trap of thinking that you're only posting to the individuals actively posting in this thread. There are scores of other people reading in the background that hold the future of us all.


Paul,
You said in your first post;
once he recieved my money and it was time to ship her this is what he PM me.

Paul i have some bad news....
Did he contact you first to tell you the bad news, or did he tell you in a response to a message from you about shipping? Did he tell you the date that the snakes perished? I'm trying to find out for the record if he notified you of the original snake's death when it happened or if he waited until you contacted him about shipping or final payment notification.


Pete,
You stated that you & Paul agreed to;
...i would replace the lab for the granite and some cash but we did not aggree on an amount
Where did you come up with the notion to make a payment to Paul in the amount of $80? I'm just trying to figure out why the amount of your payment equals the amount that Paul claims was first agreed upon, Or, vice-versa.

Also, while there's no solid proof that you agreed to the amount of $200, you failed to dispute it when he mentioned it in the PM he sent you inquiring about the balance of $122.62. Instead of disputing the amount, you said, "im not ignoring you i just dont have money".

i am still willing to offer him 20.00 more towards refund to make it an even 100.00 back towards the refund and i think that would be fair being that she was healthy and also 100% het for albino which also adds more value to the grannite...
I think that if you were to put yourself in Paul's place and be perfectly honest, that you would balk at paying $550 for a 7 1/2ft granite with a big scar, especially after being told it was 9ft and not being informed of the scar. Not to even mention Paul's claim of mites. I doubt that you would pay that much for a perfect, flawless, 9-footer.

Granted, you lost snakes in an unfortunate event, and I have compassion for you. But all-in-all, this whole buyer/seller ordeal isn't about what you've lost, it's about what Paul, the buyer, lost & received in place of. The buyer took a huge hit because you were unable to provide what he originally purchased, and then its replacement is plagued with several other problems.

Regardless of the original value of any snake, it's overall value drops when the deal is plagued with so many issues. Sometimes sellers are unable to meet the buyer's view of depreciation. That's when a complete refund & return shipment is in order. Sometimes, losing $100 is worth keeping things out of public forums, sometimes it isn't. This isn't a case of "a hard to please customer". Paul has legitimate complaints.

...as far as bad coments about me this is my first and you can see i have sold many reptiles if i was really triyng to screw him or if i was that kind of person i would think i would have more claims about me if i was that kind of person
I don't think anyone can come to the conclusion that you were out to get one over on Paul. I surely don't. To your credit, according to records here on FaunaClassifieds, you've been selling snakes for more than 2 1/2 years and this is the first negative thread on you. That is a good record.

What is ironic, though, is that you admittedly failed to inform another buyer of scars on snakes. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106272
HE STATED THAT HE WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THEM BECAUSE I DID NOT MENTION SOME FACIAL SCARRING ON ONE THE THE RETICS FACES AND ALITTLE ON THE OTHERS HEAD

I also find it hard to believe that having been selling snakes for more than 2 1/2yrs that you wouldn't know that measuring the shed skin is inaccurate. That's a beginner keeper's mistake.

Pete,
Don't think that I'm against you, because I'm not. I just want you to be completely up front & honest & put yourself squarely in Paul's shoes. I'd like for Paul to do the same. I hate to see two good guys buttin' heads & things turnin' ugly. I think both of you might ought to give a little to reach an agreement.

Ya'll hang in there!
Michael Sanders
 
Happyhillbilly just sent me this PM


An Offer
Paul,
I'd like to try to help you & Pete settle your differences by offering you one of my '09 hatchling burms from the same clutch as the labs you were looking at. I've got some normals that are 66% het albino/labyrinth & 2 albinos that are 66% het labyrinth. One of the albinos doesn't have any markings indicating het for lab but the other one does. Most of the normals show strong signs of being het for lab and quite a few show signs of being het albino, too. All you'd have to do is pay shipping, which I think would be around $35 - $40 to you.

Don't ask me why I'm making this offer to you on Pete's behalf because I really don't know why. I guess I'm just trying to help two seemingly good guys settle their differences so they can move on. It's not like it's actually money out of my pocket since I've got the hatchlings.

Let me know if you're interested in taking any of the hatchlings in exchange for calling it even with Pete.

Catch ya later!
Mike



I told mike if Pete is willing to pay him the shipping cost i would take a female albino from his clutch and we can end this dispute now. its all up to pete now.

Thanks Mike for being so kind in this matter. 2 good people with a big misunderstanding.
 
Dang, man - I wasn't lookin' for publicity. :blush:

Pete,
You said that you'd give Paul another $20. Shipping from me to him would cost $45, I just calculated it with FedEx. For an additional $25 we can get this over & done with. It's on me, to both of you. This is a great hobby with great people. Let's keep it that way.

What do you say?

Have a good one!
Michael Sanders
 
Mike ,fine i can do that if he is ok with that but i would need maybe untill next week to come up with that and im willing to call it a done deal i really appreciate this i know your a good person for offering such a deal without even knowing me i would definatly recomend you for future business you can contact me at 505 489-6230 but please be patient im very busy if i dont answer right away thanks Pete
 
Paul, I can post links too, 8 foot female granite, $650:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=691048

But yours, Paul, is het albino according to Pete. I do not know how much of a price difference that is, but should be considered.

Paul, about this statement:
Retic88 said:
You are so full of ... what other snake did you offer to send to make up for the remaining money owed???
Pete never mentioned sending more than one snake, he said:
predators said:
i guarentee most people would not even try to step up and offer any type of refund or another snake
Never in that quote did Pete say he offered you more than one snake and money on top of them. He never said he would send you another snake worth $120 as a refund. You have twisted his quote into something that was never written or implied.

If that is the way you have been with this transaction from the moment you were dissatisfied with the burmese, it is obvious you are demanding, rather than having come to an agreement with Pete. Twisting Pete's words does not shed a good light on this deal between the two of you.

Mike, that offer is very generous of you, but it does not fix the fact that Paul has demanded more money in return than originally agreed upon. It also does not excuse Pete for not mentioning the granite has a scar which the way Paul sees it, drops the value of the snake.

If Pete accepts the offer, than that will be that, if he does not, than Paul, take the $20 he is offering and be done with this. Wash your hands of this and chalk it up to being a deal that just did not go well. Learn from it and move on. When you breed that burmese and sell her babies, you will be making more back than you spent on her.
 
dont try to be the good guy here.:angry: I had alot of emails from people here telling me all your buddies are backing you up. thats the way things work on the BOI so i hear. Someone also stated that you and Lucille are real close but i cant prove that so im ending that now.

:thumbsup: Yeppers :thumbsup: You got it right. Had Pete over for dinner last weekend and Lucille is Godmother to his kids. Jackass. You brought this here to the BOI, provided some information and when doing so it generated questions, but some of the questions were related to your quarantine and husbandry practices (actually, lack there of).

Hell, still are as far as I'm concerned. Would you like to explain why you are too lazy to remove the shed from the enclosure prior to putting the Granite in it? Pic #1 shows the Granite in the bottom enclosure and what I am guessing is a Burm above it. You see, the one with the shed? Pic 2 shows the Granite out of the enclosure and then pic #3 the Granite is now in the second from the bottom enclosure with the shed we saw in pic #1. Do you make common practice of swapping snakes between dirty enclosures?

Still waiting for the pictures of both your set ups (quarantine and snake rooms).

Mites ummm lets see i had to go buy a can of black knight might spray. yes that is the quarenteen room and them black cages are alot bigger then a 75 gal tank. they are 4x3x15 high. once again them pics are 2 months old and no one is bashing pete at all.

I am having a hard time believing you. So, let's see why.

Mites: If you truly had received the animal covered with mites why do we not have any pics? The pics of the snake and the 75 gallon tank were "2 months old" yet you only received the snake 2 months ago so where are the mites?

Black Knight: Where does one exactly go to purchase a can of Black Knight? I have yet to see it available at any pet shop.

Black cages: I'm sorry but those cages are not 4' x 3' x 15" high, try 4' x 2' x 15"

I recieved the snake threw delta and when i opened the box there was no cash refund and the snake was covered in mites :angry: I called Pete from the airport and this 9FT granite female turned out to be just pushing 7ft.

Just got back from the airport. call me asap about this. Paul 724-xxx-xxxx

Which is it? You called from the airport or you e-mailed him after returning from the airport? Your own words, yet they are contradictive. Actually, seems to me that someone is lying here. :NoNo:

WOW so my 13ft albino granite i just got from Outback Reptiles for $300 + $100 shipping for a total if $400 must be worth a $1000 in your eyes then.

my Hypo that i will have in the morning sence its het albino and i paid $1650 for it i guess its actually worth like 10k LMAO

Well let's use Paul's way of doing addition. You want $100 per foot refund which in your eyes would make your new snake worth $700 (if it is indeed 7 foot long as you claim). So, paying $650 dollars for a $700 dollar snake and then get a refund of $80 dollars bringing your cost to $570 for a $700 dollar snake. You made out. :thumbsup:

While Micheal's offer to intercede in this situation is awesome to say the very the least, in my eyes you are not deserving of his generosity. In my opinion you should expand your knowledge of quarantine and especially husbandry practices prior to adding another animal to your collection. Any idiot (as we can see) with money can buy a snake but it doesn't mean he has enough sense (BTW, that is the proper way to spell that word) to keep it.
 
Pete,
Sounds good to me. I hope Paul is OK with waiting a week because that would actually work out best for me. The job I'm currently working on makes it pretty well impossible for me to ship for another week. I'll try calling you this evening.


Mike, that offer is very generous of you, but it does not fix the fact that Paul has demanded more money in return than originally agreed upon. It also does not excuse Pete for not mentioning the granite has a scar which the way Paul sees it, drops the value of the snake.
Your right about my offer not fixing anything. It wasn't meant to. It was meant to help two people that were in a stalemate to get out from under the spotlight & move on with their lives.


Ahh, a three day weekend and the start of college football. Yeehaw!!!

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Ya'll take care!
Michael Sanders
 
Junkyard
Pete never mentioned sending more than one snake, he said:/QUOTE]

I may of misunderstood pete on that but i thought he was talking about sending another snake for the remaining $200 that was before he sent the $80

DAND
The reason she was in that cage is i was cleaning her cage out so she went to visit my lab for 10 min.

Black knight at any petstore. i never said i went to a petstore. i went to my local breeder Brad Mcarthy with lives real close to me

Black cages: I think i know what i custom ordered

Any idiot (as we can see) with money

Well i guess im a idiot with money and i dont have to show you anything. like You said. what does that prove other then i have money and a nice setup???


Pete and Mike Let me know when this is all going to happen so we can end this and once again Thanks Mike.
 
DAND
The reason she was in that cage is i was cleaning her cage out so she went to visit my lab for 10 min.

So, in well under two months it is in with your collection. :eek: Just wanted to clarify that.

Black knight at any petstore. i never said i went to a petstore. i went to my local breeder Brad Mcarthy with lives real close to me

I never said you said you went to a pet store, so let's stop playing word twisting games. I am much better at it than you are so just quit before you embarrass yourself anymore than you already have.

Black cages: I think i know what i custom ordered

Sorry there sport, but unlike you, the pics do not lie. A 75 gallon tank is 18 inches wide. In the pic it is close to flush with the black cage underneath it in the front, and by looking at the space left between it and the wall it is clearly NOT another 18 inches which would be necessary to make your black cages 3' wide. See, your 5th grade math teacher was right, you were going to need to know math when you got older. :NoNo:

Well i guess im a idiot with money and i dont have to show you anything. like You said. what does that prove other then i have money and a nice setup???

Actually, you are incorrect, that's not what I said. It would prove that you do indeed have the set you claim to have. The idiot part, I will not argue with. :yesnod:

I do see you conveniently avoided commenting on your blatant contradiction when telling your story. Is there any reason why you would want to avoid answering the question "Why did you lie to us all when you posted this thread and wrote:"

I recieved the snake threw delta and when i opened the box there was no cash refund and the snake was covered in mites :angry: I called Pete from the airport and this 9FT granite female turned out to be just pushing 7ft

When you had already apparently previously e-mailed Pete this:

Just got back from the airport. call me asap about this. Paul 724-xxx-xxxx

Hmmmm? :shrug01:
 
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