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Prehistoric Pets UPDATE

I went to PP this past weekend and let me reiterate whate everyone else has said, PREHISTORIC PETS NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN.  I dont care if the owner breeds retics or whatever, the store is horrible.  There were ants in the cages, mold, no water, dirty water, feces, you name it.  If any of you need me to add to your previous complaints to local authorities let me know or even if you think it will help tell me who to contact.  I will gladly submit some pictures that I took of the place.  Its just a shame that they are still in business.
 
i was just wondering myself if they had cleaned up their act.  i almost brought this thread up to the top yesterday because of their shady advertising practices on kingsnake.  thanks for the update tom!
jb
 
Hmm, this is interesting...  Well, I don't know the owner of Prehistoric pets, I only emailed him a few times about some animals he was selling awhile back.  The impression he gave me was sincere and informative.  And his ads are pretty high quality, naturally I would think his animals are as good as his ads.  But after reading these posts, certainly I have my doubts about his animal.  However, a couple of my friends had purchased animals from him as well.  They were healthy, no mites, and are doing great.  So, this is alittle hard to put together.  Just wondering, is his store animals separate from his online animals?  Chen Lai
 
There are other, older, links here on the BOI about PP. I'm not familiar how to make a link to a thread so you'll have to just look for it. Interesting question if the internet animals are seperate from the retail ones but it still doesn't change that the retail ones are being kept in very poor conditions. Jay reads these sites, he's never once posted reply. Visit his store and you'll see why.






Ralph Chapman
 
I just bought a caimen lizard from Prehistoric Pets and there was nothing wrong with it at all.  I needed a male to go with my female and Prehistoric Pets has been advertising one forever.  They shipped the animal in a careful and proffesional manner, the box was insulated and properly labeled and packed.  I would buy again without hesititation.  As for the condition of thier store, I find it highly unlikely that those conditions persist for any amount of time.  Also, the pictures posted are so sorry you can't see anything to begin with, a three foot long poop wouldn't stand out very well.

Alan Shobert
 
I live and do business in Florida and have never been a PP store, but my question is ........ If the store is as bad as these and other previous posts state, then how do they keep their doors open ?  I was unable to make out much from the pics that were posted so that really didn't help clear thingsup either.  I think the owner should respond to these posts one way or the other, if I owned a store and someone was talking bad about it I would be very quick to respond and either defend myself or make apologies with the promise to correct the problem.  Very confusing ........ I won't buy anything from them I can promise you that.  On a personal note though, PP was posting a Bolivian Silverback Amarili on KINGSNAKE.COM for $950 ........ The price was way out of line and it wasn't a Siverback, just a common Bolivian.  Maybe they put up the wrong pic but it was posted for a long time and may still be posted at a lower price if I am not mistaken.


Gary
 
I went back and checked and on 10/26 PP has posted a " BOLIVIAN BOA " posted ( they are no longer calling it a silverback like they were before ) using the same pic and the price is $750 + shipping.


Gary
 
One thing I'll have to recognize though, they take very good pictures of the animals they offer.

Best regards,
 
I live in the San Diego area, and every once in awhile my wife and I take a trip up to LA area.   I usually try to check out a herp store on these trips.   We have been to PP's twice, and will never go again.   It is a nice, big store, lots of animals, BUT, EVERYTHING people say about the  store negative is TRUE!!   We walked out of there in a state of shock.   I honestly thought of giving up reptile keeping because of the horrible conditions in the store, and thinking that reptiles should be left in the wild vs. have to live like this.   My wife was on the verge of tears, feeling so sorry for an adult iguana kept in a 38 gallon or so cage, no room to turn around or anything.   Think solitary confinement for life in there, plus the iguana was like $399!!!, so it is sentenced to life in there at that price.  MOST of the cages looked like they had not been cleaned for awhile, ants, flies etc everywhere.   The lep gecks (was in the market for a female lucy at the time) were the worst I had seen anywhere, skinny tails, sickly etc.   I will never go back!   LLL does not have any high end animals, but the animals they do have are in good condition, with appropriate caging.

Dave Reid
 
Haveing had an acident recently ,it has been hard for me to post, and in fact this post is being dictated to someone else, I sincerely hope they word it right...


Prehistoric Pets, the on that jay works at is not a good place.

My personal experience in buying snakes from them is this:

Purchased an Eastern Indigo from them many years ago. The snake was a male, 7 ft long adult.  Upon getting it home and inspecting it closer the snake had:

a)  Mites all over its body and in eye orbits.
b)  Belly(scale) rot on its dorsal aspect.
c)  Flukes in its mouth
d)  Worms in its stools(nematodes)
e)  Respiratory disease
f)  Nose rub which it developed after a week, and NO it wasnt breeding season at all, nor anywhere near it..

YES.....I should have known better and checked the snake out more thoroughly. Should have noticed the scale rot, the upper respiratory, and the MITES. But I was so overly enthusiastic about the snake and they were so hard to find, that I just bought it, straight out.

After running up $300.00 in vet bills(pre 1998 prices also)
Irealized I couldnt afford to treat this snake, what with a new baby on the way of my own..
Long story short, I sold it to an INDIGO keeper for about 1/5 of what I paid for it and thats not factoring the loss for the med bills.

YES...I could have complained but was disgusted at the shape the snake was in, so decided not to deal with them ever again.


FAST FORWARD..............
To 2001..............

5 local area reptile breeders, each with good reputations and great snakes all decided to go up and see LLL reptiles and then on to Prehistoric Pets. This is at the SAME time tha Tom Chambers from T.C. Reptiles went up there, 2001.
What they found shocked them........................

Bolivian Silverback Amarilli in slide drawers, each drawer full of feces and OLD hardened urates, at least a week old. These snakes had mites galore and had ticks imbedded in their cloacas and around their eye orbits. Keep in mind this isnt just one snake, rather it is 3 10 space racks full of  thiese snakes, each one worse than the last.
Armed with that stark reality, the group of breeders observed more cages with snakes, all with dried urates in them, dried old feces and bone dry or non existant water bowls. They saw the same scenario in cage after cage.They witnessed near dessicated iguanas and savanah monitors with grossly swolen distended abdomens from either excess food items or heavy parasite load.
They saw cages that were to small for the snakes in them. Way to small.

They came home, shaking their heads, and all I had to say to them was this:     I  TOLD   YOU  SO........


Now, people make mistakes in this industry, accepting depoisits when they shouldnt, spending the payment for the snake before it is sent, missexing snakes, shipping icorrectly without hot or cold packs. I myself have been ashamedly guilty of some of these thing at times past. And I regret it. Peoplemake mistakes, we get ahead of ourselves sometimes.

But with Prehistoric Pets, I ALWAYSthe  same thing..i.e. filthy conditions, sick snakes and all at high prices. Now..you may screw things up badly with customer relations from time to time, I myself have done that and regretted it...but to let the


                         SNAKES

suffer because of maltreatment, well in my book that is horrible. Im not the pot calling the kettle black, we all make mistakes, but to NOT TAKE CARE OF YOUR LIVESTOCK,
thats criminal.

I have heard that they have several EXCELLENT employees, that work hard but are spread thin. Again, you pay someone $7/hr, how much care do you expect them to take for that wage.  PLEASE understand me, the shop I am talking about is owned by Jay Brewer, there is another Prehistoric Pets the location of which I dont know , but THAT shop got good reviews from customers that told me about it. Not So Jays shop. Why do people continue plunking down their hard earned bucks in places like this?


Fred Albury
AZTEC REPTILES
 
dear fred..i hope you are ok with regards to your accident.
the story of prehistoric pets is very sad...dont the authorities in that area cite them or ask they shut down for cleaning to meet standards of some sort? we use to have a shop in lax area that was visited by authorities and they were asked to shut down and do a thorough cleaning etc before the doors could open again.
i just dont understand how a place like the one you mention above can get away with it.
 
Is this thread in relation to BOTH Prehistoric Pets stores, or just one?  Which one?  I recently moved to the area and wanted to see Prehistoric pets based on the many adds I had seen on Kingsnake.com. (I had not noticed these threads on PP at the time)  I looked in the phone book and found one in Chino Hills.  Drove out and was BADLY dissapointed.  Pretty dirty, dank, saw filthy cages, and regurged prey that the staff ignored when I pointed it out.  Just generally not what I expected.  (Building and animals looked NOTHING like the photos I saw on internet)  Then I noticed there is apparently a "Prehistoric Pets" in Fountain Valley.  Further away from me, but I had thought about driving out and taking a look.  Now I doubt I will bother.  But just for information sakes, is this thread in relation to BOTH stores?  Are they affiliated?  Or to just the Chino Hills or the Fountain Valley store?
 
I ordered a male yellow belly bp from them over the weekend last. The add stated 500g+. When i emailed them Patrick Powers promptly emailed me back to tell me that they didnt have one over 500g anymore but that they had one that was 480g. We worked out a deal and I sent him the money. We kept close communication everyday as steps were taken until the end. Patrick answered all my questions promptly and the snake was shipped as soon as they recieved my check (with my permision of course). My male arrived this morning. So far everything looks good. The male is indeed 484g and looks like a true yellow belly.

The only flaw is that they didnt send me the photo ID and receipt that they had previously agreed to include. That always makes me a little nervous because I expect that documentation whenever I make an expensive purchase.

If I recieve the documentation soon then I will return and give them an A
If not, then I can only give them a B because I did at least get the snake I asked for.
 
No problems with recent purchase...

I recently purchased a ball python from Prehistoric Pets and wanted to state for the record that the entire process went perfectly. I put them in a bit of a rush position and Patrick was extremely accommodating and very professional. I explained what I was looking for and he forwarded some pictures to me less than an hour after we spoke. I made my decision and the snake was in the air that afternoon. It arrived exactly as described and in perfect health. I will do definitely do business with Patrick and Prehistoric Pets again in the future.
 
prehistoric pets

Hello,
I wanted to post a bit of info. I have been to this store, and even posted a couple of years ago about the horrible info they gave my neice on sulcata torts (ie a 250 watt bulb over a 5 gallon tank with an undertank heater and feed it legumes)
For a few years I was really afraid to get/buy anything animal wise over the net so I drove 2 hrs to see PP's store-it was reportedly one of the best in so cal. I called the humane society, no avail. The only way to report pet stores, I soon found out, was public health. The problem is that many times the officer/inspector has no idea about reptiles! I told one officer "if it smells in the petsore like death or sewer, generally that is a bad sign" It got so bad with me reporting each "incident" (this is what you have to do) that the officer claimed she didn't speak English on the phone!!!!!!!! She blew me off for the final time when I explained there was no such thing as the "miniature sulcata" she had just PURCHASED.
It sucks that we have to report people/stores in this fashion, but really one must practically buy an animal and have it die to get someone to notice. Those are the instances that helped in the petco litigation. Otherwise you are accused of being an "animal rights freak" and get blown off.
SOmeone else mentioned LLL-well all I can say of them is be careful if you buy uros too.....
Rachel Kelley
 
I too on 2 seperate occasions have completed deals with Prehistoric (Patrick) and have NEVER had ANY problem what-so-ever with them.
Damian Macioce
:firedevil
 
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