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puppys fed to python - must read

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This is something I read lately in the news. A care taker at a shelter was caught feeding pups to a python. At first she was fired, but then got her job back. Though this is clearly the care takers fault, we all know this will have a negative impact on herp keepers. The link below will take you to the news page, there is a video, and a link to take action against the person getting her job back,

http://www.wxyz.com/wxyz/ys_investigations/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15949_3535247,00.html
 
My main concern is what things like this are going to do to the herp industry. In that article they already made the snake look bad by putting the dramatics in: "a species that squeezes and strangles its prey before swallowing it whole." Allot of people will find the snake evil and not be concerned about he mental stability of the person doing the crime. Now everyone knows you have to be mentally imbalanced to feed live puppies to your animals. However I guarantee some people go home after reading that article and tell there friends how people that keep pythons feed them puppies. Oh well, I mine as well stop rambling on this thread, as that will do nothing about changing people’s opinion. I mean if you hate reptiles why would you be reading a reptile oriented forum?
Jim
 
my rant

i dont see the big deal with this, everybody reads this and says i love dogs snakes are awful, its cute animals vs. creepy or ugly animals . like dennis leary says: somebody came to me and said "dont eat the tuna" i said "why" they said "the dolphins are getting caught in the nets" I said "what about the tuna" they said "F*ck them they taste good".i personally wouldnt feed an unwanted puppy to a snake (rats are easier and i wont get in trouble).but i really dont care what someone does with an unwanted dog thats probably going to be youthinized any way. but i do care what impact it may have on are hobby :kill:
 
This kind of news just tears down the whole industry.
We had a guy around here in TX doing the same thing with kittens.
 
Just out of curiosity, is there an actual law against feeding cats and dogs? And before an onslaught of "You think it's ok???" posts, that is not it at all :p Just idle curiosity. Since rats are fast becomming very popular pets, I was wondering more along the lines, if there ARE laws protecting dogs and cats, will there soon be one for rats...
 
This person was located in NY, these are the laws pertaining to NY:


NEW YORK CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS

TITLE 1. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND MARKETS

CHAPTER II. ANIMAL INDUSTRY
SUBCHAPTER C. DOG CONTROL

PART 77. STANDARDS FOR THE CARE OF SEIZED DOGS

1 NYCRR § 77.3 (2001)

(Current through February 23, 2001)



§ 77.3 Euthanasia and disposal

(a) Humane methods of euthanasia shall be those designated as acceptable (approved) by the American Veterinary Medical Association.

(b) Disposal of such euthanized animals shall be consistent with laws and regulations of the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and Health.

Statutory authority: Agriculture and Markets Law, §§ 18, 126; L. 1978, ch. 220, § 3


.....I believe almost every state has these same regulations. The killing of dogs and cats is prohibited in most states (if not all) even if you shoot the animal in the head. Now as for what this lady did, was she killed the animal not following NY procedure. As suffocation is not on the list of humane forms of deaths....lol

The above NY regulations came from the ASPCA following this link: http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=nys_d_1_2_c_77_3

Thanks, Jim
 
This kind of stuff really does make snakes and there keepers look bad, but i mean what is the deal, rabbits and rats, and mice and all those little fuzzy rodents are pets! just because cats and dogs that are a little more intelligent are put in there place people freak out! the dogs are more then likely going to be euthenized anyway. its not as if a large retic roaming a village somewhere wouldnt eat a dog or cat that it saw roaming around also. just because people have higher respects for cats and dogs means that its wrong, but when people freeze rats and throw them at walls to stun them or something like that, its fine. if you had no money at all and your snake needed to eat and those pupies were gonna be put down anyway would it seem wrong to you as a keeper and to your starving animal which youve basically taken an oath to take care of as soon as you purchased the snake? yeah think about it people.
 
i agree, if you think about it nobody cares if you reed something "gross" to a snake almost no one makes a big deal, but something cute like a puppy and all of a sudden you and the snake are terrible.
 
exactly! one thing like this happens and the snake is labled evil and the person is a sick sociapath, and then the word gets around and people get this image in there mind about how evil and nasty snakes are blood thirsty killers, and we only fear what we dont understand, and thats y more people need to be educated about reptiles, and mainly snakes and large constrictors which people think will eat there kids or strangle them in there sleep. which is ridiculous and probably has happened in very few cases. this isnt a perfect world and stuff does happen, and i mean puppies die everyday, they are just another animal just because they are labled man best friend doesnt mean they can be labled like a large rabbit could be as retic food. even tho i personally wouldnt feed my large constrictors a dog or cat, but if put in the right situation i wouldnt hesitate to catch a cat.
 
themselves said:
This kind of stuff really does make snakes and there keepers look bad, but i mean what is the deal, rabbits and rats, and mice and all those little fuzzy rodents are pets! just because cats and dogs that are a little more intelligent are put in there place people freak out! the dogs are more then likely going to be euthenized anyway. its not as if a large retic roaming a village somewhere wouldnt eat a dog or cat that it saw roaming around also. just because people have higher respects for cats and dogs means that its wrong, but when people freeze rats and throw them at walls to stun them or something like that, its fine. if you had no money at all and your snake needed to eat and those pupies were gonna be put down anyway would it seem wrong to you as a keeper and to your starving animal which youve basically taken an oath to take care of as soon as you purchased the snake? yeah think about it people.
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Bunnies, rats and other reptile feeders are comparable to people eating cows, chickens and pork every day. They are all mass bred and produced for one thing, to be eaten. Petsmart for that reason alone will not carry rodents, because they can be turned into feeders. While petco on the otherhand sells feeder rodents. Notice how petco winds up in the news for their lack of care for animals too.. About everylife there is a valuable as a feeder.

For someone in that line of work to do that, is just plain wrong. Shelters are there with the feeling that they care for the animals, not to take one specie and feed it to another. I dont care if there even was a good reason for it.

Lets look at it like this, Lets say those puppies were dropped off with someone hoping they would get adopted back out, but could also have delt with them being humanely put down. How would he feel if he knew they were a snakes lunch? To know that little puppy went through hell, before he was killed and eventually consumed whole.

Also to those that think this will impact the herp industry, i dont think it will at all. A snake eating a puppy in captivity does not make the snake look bad, but the person who lets it happen, should tarred and featherd..
 
no it does make snakes look bad, if you didnt notices how they specifically picked out pythons and said " they crush and squeeze there prey to death before swallowing it whole" which will then make people think of what the snake did to the "cute little puppies" and they will become disgusted and think snakes out to be evil ugly monsters.
 
themselves said:
no it does make snakes look bad, if you didnt notices how they specifically picked out pythons and said " they crush and squeeze there prey to death before swallowing it whole" which will then make people think of what the snake did to the "cute little puppies" and they will become disgusted and think snakes out to be evil ugly monsters.
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IF someone makes that assumption from that, then they need their head examined..

Now if the title read "Snake escapes in shelter and makes it to a puppies cage", then yeah the snake would look evil. Like i said before, the snake was in its cage and the puppies were thrown in for it to eat. Who is really the badguy here? The snake for doing what millions of years of evolution and instinct tells him to do, or the person who knowingly added live puppies to the cage and possibly even watched the mayhem unfold.

Would you take a litter of healthy puppies and feed them to your snake?
 
it would depend what the situation was. if homes were lined up for the puppies, no way but if they were destined for street dogs i could understand it. i mean i feed "healthy litters of rats" to snakes, why is it so different when it is a more "attractive" animal.
 
it all depends on the situation, they are all just animals, and like the guy above me said, whats the difference between a dog and a rat, just becuase one is not customly fed to snakes oftenly doesnt mean its SICK OR THAT THE PERSON IS INSANE. and every person has there own dergree of sanity, and let me tell you not everyones is near close to normal. this whole topic is opinionated by everyone and everyone will have there own view of how normal or disgusting this situation is. so you cant pin it all down to the person being insane. cause you dont know what the situation the dogs the lady and or the snake were in. but all in all what has been done is done and we cant change that.
 
i agree with everyone who is concerned about a more negative attitude towards herpers...ppl think its bad enough we feed them live mice...also its NOT the snakes fault...burms are oppurtunistic eaters and eat whenever something is in front of them. the snake cant differentiate between a puppy and a jumbo rat or a rabbit. to him its all food, and the person feeding to him is one sick person. Definatly should not have their job back or any job dealing with animals. Period
 
Personally, I don't see the problem, is it because people keep dogs as pets. Some people keep rabbits, chicks and even rats as pets, (Yes even rats) but we've all fed at least one of these items as food. In the wild pythons have a diet of greater variety and think the bigger the snake the bigger food item.
 
The next time you feed a live rabbit to your python and the python strikes and grabs the rabbit with those huge sharp teeth and the blood squirts on the glass front of the cage from the squealing, screaming and kicking rabbit I want you again to tell us how cruel and insane the lady feeding those puppies is.
Strange how everyone seems to think that feeding rabbits is just fine but feeding puppies is sick and cruel. Do you think rabbits are somehow a lesser animal than dogs? Do you think they feel less pain than a dog? Do you think they are not aware of their fatal and painful circumstance?
It is hypocritical to say feeding one type or species of mammal is cruel and sick and feeding another type of mammal is not cruel and sick. Animals are animals and ALL deserve equal concern and freedom from excessive pain and suffering.
It's far less cruel to humanly kill puppies and kittens for food than to "stun" a rat to feed to a snake. "Stunning" rats by bopping them on the head or throwing them against a wall IS animal cruelty plain and simple. They are stunned because they are in horrible amounts of pain...now that is truly cruel. Yet the same people that practice this cruelty will argue that feeding puppies is sick and cruel. All feeder animals no matter if they are dogs, cats, chickens, mice or what ever should be humanly killed prior to feeding to lessen pain and cruelty.
 
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