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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Purchasing Microchipped snakes

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou070910_tnt_microchipspets.be98d227.html

" Home Again, a maker of the microchips for animals, said in a statement that the implants are still the best way to keep pets safe.

The mission of Home Again is to save pets’ lives. We monitor and investigate all adverse events in the same manner as pharmaceutical products are investigated. Since its launch in 1995, the HomeAgain microchip has been implanted in 10 million pets. Of that number, there have been only four confirmed cases of soft tissue tumors—or one case in every 2.5 million pets. More than eight million pets are lost each year and without identification 90 percent won’t return home.”

Still looking! But interesting. Most of these articles are exactly the same though, so i have to wonder where it originated from, and how many studies have actually been done on these chips....
 
Well, I have done some reearch on this in the past, and will keep reading with interest as new things develop. All of my dogs have been microchipped since it first became available, and I have never encountered any issues, nor have any of the folks I know who have been microchipping their show dogs and such for just as long. It doesn't mean it can't happen, I realize.

That second link that was posted is kind of off the wall, really....I mean....not only was it published by a group called, "These Last Days Ministries", if you read further, it goes on to explain why the microchips (or "mark of the Beast 666" chip as they refer to it) will suffer the wrath of God, because when you invert the logo for the company, the lines kind of resemble the number 666, so it may very well be a sign of the prophecy...or how there are already top secret government plans in place to microchip all newborns....or that the FBI has chips implanted in all tires and can track your movements.....
 
The chips I am thinking about have no power source so they are not sending any kind of frequency out. The reader device "pings" the chip for the ID number. Like I said this idea is in the beginning stages for us. More research and feed back is needed.

I wasn't around into time of the TSE I am relatively new to the herp trade, so I the idea of implanting a fake het never crossed my mind.

On the ownership issue. When your vet/shelter implants a chip in your dog/cat/etc the chip is just registered to them as the person who purchased the chip, not necessarily the owner of the animal. In Florida there are certain rules regarding the sale of reptiles. You must provide origination paperwork meaning that you have to have where each and every animal came from in writing and if you sell it you need to have a copy of the bill of sale. So as long as you keep your paperwork straight there should be no problem with the ownership issue. You might even help the authorities by having the info on who purchased the animal.

Unfortunately a lot of things in this business can be faked, paperwork, genetics, origination, even customer service (for a while). I think that no matter what you get with an animal paperwork or micro chip you still need to have some level of trust in the person you are purchasing from.
I still like the microchip idea for hets and for the theft aspect.

Thanks everyone for there opinions I would love to hear it if you have more.
 
On the site that I linked, there are a few outstetches BUT if you think about it, chips are really made from the same thing, they may not necessarily do the same thing, but it's mostly made from the same things. I know probably millions have chips in their dogs/cats/etc. But pets (especially snakes 20, 30, 40 years +) no one knows how that could turn out towards later in their life. And don't say you've had your snake chipped for more than 20-30 years because I know no one has. BUT, it would KILL me if my snakes ended up dying 20-25 or however many years down the road. All my snakes or all my pets are all purely PETS, and I don't breed (unless they decide to 'do it' on their own). So my pets it would be devastating to me. As for other people....hardcare breeders and such (I'm not meaning EVERYONE here, so don't get me wrong), but massive breeders I don't think would mind if something were to happen to their snakes but how much the snake cost... I feel unfortuante to say that, but I've met A LOT of breeders and such, and have seen how money crazed over them.. Some people out there are just out there for the money (just admit it, everyone knows that). So I guess depending on who you are, maybe the chip is right for you. Who knows!
 
My dogs are microchipped not because of "how much money they cost", they are chipped because dogs get can lost and stolen (which would indeed devastate me), and from what I can come up with, THAT happens much more frequently than chips supposedly giving them cancer. Think about it.....how many people do you know that has had a dog run away, or disappear out of their yard somehow? Now how many people do you know that have had a dog die from a microchip-related cancer? I have asked my vet in the past if he has ever seen any microchip-related health problems, and he said he never had, other than the occasional injection-site problems that can arise from any normal injection or vaccination.

Another thing to ponder.....NONE of the studies done had control groups of non-implanted rodents, so how are we to determine the "normal" rate of cancer in these animals as opposed to the ones who did develop cancer?

http://www.buffalonews.com/nationalworld/national/story/158580.html

And there's a LOT more than a "few outstretches" on that wacky site link...mind control? Secret government conspiracies? The work of the devil leading to Armageddon? How about THIS one from that site?

"The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is set up to put RFID tags in all livestock. This means total surveillance of all livestock. It is mandatory by January 2008. This means if you have one chicken, one horse, one cow, one sheep, one goat, one bison, one sheep, one goat, one llama, one alpaca, one turkey, or one duck, etc - you must register, the premises and the animals."
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That's only 3 months away, anyone been forced to put microchips in their chickens yet? I haven't. :shrug01:

You REALLY need to consider the source of information before putting too much faith in it.....and at this point, I'm putting my trust in my personal experience, the experience of folks I know who have been using the microchips in their dogs since they came out, and my vet's experience. If additional studies, actual conclusive studies are done, I am very much open to changing my mind, as I want the best for my animals as well, regardless of their monetary value.
 
kellysballs said:
The chips I am thinking about have no power source so they are not sending any kind of frequency out. The reader device "pings" the chip for the ID number. Like I said this idea is in the beginning stages for us. More research and feed back is needed.

I wasn't around into time of the TSE I am relatively new to the herp trade, so I the idea of implanting a fake het never crossed my mind.

On the ownership issue. When your vet/shelter implants a chip in your dog/cat/etc the chip is just registered to them as the person who purchased the chip, not necessarily the owner of the animal. In Florida there are certain rules regarding the sale of reptiles. You must provide origination paperwork meaning that you have to have where each and every animal came from in writing and if you sell it you need to have a copy of the bill of sale. So as long as you keep your paperwork straight there should be no problem with the ownership issue. You might even help the authorities by having the info on who purchased the animal.

Unfortunately a lot of things in this business can be faked, paperwork, genetics, origination, even customer service (for a while). I think that no matter what you get with an animal paperwork or micro chip you still need to have some level of trust in the person you are purchasing from.
I still like the microchip idea for hets and for the theft aspect.

Thanks everyone for there opinions I would love to hear it if you have more.
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I know with my chip, i register the chip number under my own name when i adopted the cat. Some places may do it for you, others will let you do it yourself i guess. Here in ma i am unsure of the laws, but it seems to be that when you adopt the animal has to microchipped, but the chip does not have to be registered to the new owner.

Not sure, again i will have to keep reading.


Cat! Its good to see another user here that has has their animals implanted.
Do you know which company your Dogs' chips are? was there a website you had to visit to fill in the online forms/provide a picture of the animals for positive identification?
 
Both of my cats are micro-chipped...one with HomeAgain and the other I can't think of off the top of my head(she was chipped by the shelter).
I happen to work for the company that manufactures HomeAgain chips. From what I've read in the company propaganda, I mean informative emails, the chips are absolutely safe. It's not only the chip you're getting, it's the Home Again service, which appears to be head and shoulders above the rest.
I might have Matty chipped with HomeAgain anyways just to have them both in the same system.
 
Well, I don't know what will lead to what, or if every animal will end up with health problems, but what no one knows is that, over a LONG TERM period what will happen? No one has had a chip inside their animal for more than (I'm guessing here) 15 years and that's pushing it. And obviously being a dog or cat, their life span is a lot shorter than a snakes. Snakes can live tens of years, some being 30-40 years +!! My oldest snake is my first snake I bought. She's a normal ball, and shes 21 years old! : ) And shes still eating EVERY week and shedding beautifully and the most active snake out of all of mine. I'm very proud of her. But anyways, getting back to the subject. All I am saying is that with snakes you have to really look at the long term part of it, not just the first years or up to 10 years or whatever. No one is considering when their 20 or 30 or even 40 years old! What could happen then? Does anyone know? Not really.... Something could slowly turn into something fatal before any one knows it over that long of a period.

I am NOT totally against chips or anything like that, but my only concern is that, over a long period of time, so many things could happen. Even with all the "new technology" you have to remember, you are putting a FOREIGN object inside an animal. That should tell you off the bat that problems can occur, wether it's 1 year or 20 years or more after it's been implanted!
 
kellysballs said:
On the ownership issue. When your vet/shelter implants a chip in your dog/cat/etc the chip is just registered to them as the person who purchased the chip, not necessarily the owner of the animal. In Florida there are certain rules regarding the sale of reptiles. You must provide origination paperwork meaning that you have to have where each and every animal came from in writing and if you sell it you need to have a copy of the bill of sale. So as long as you keep your paperwork straight there should be no problem with the ownership issue. You might even help the authorities by having the info on who purchased the animal.
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The way I see it, if some one feels secure chipping an animal in case of theft, then by all means I say go for it. Unfortunately, paperwork will always be needed. I can see this as a great tool with an animal like a leopard gecko as they can change drastically over time. Great post Kelly.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
I know with my chip, i register the chip number under my own name when i adopted the cat. Some places may do it for you, others will let you do it yourself i guess. Here in ma i am unsure of the laws, but it seems to be that when you adopt the animal has to microchipped, but the chip does not have to be registered to the new owner.

Not sure, again i will have to keep reading.


Cat! Its good to see another user here that has has their animals implanted.
Do you know which company your Dogs' chips are? was there a website you had to visit to fill in the online forms/provide a picture of the animals for positive identification?
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My dogs all have the Home Again chip, except my Bloodhound, who was chipped before I got him from the rescue. I just filled out the paperwork with the chips, and sent them in to the company. When they were chipped, I was also given collar ID tags for them from Home Again that had the chip number printed on them, as well as the number to call if you "found" the dog. There was no picture ID info, you do give the breed, sex, age, etc when submitting the paperwork to register the chip with the company.

I am wondering though.....I was not required to actually "register" the chip with the company at the time it was implanted...you are given the chip number and such at the time, as well as the paperwork to do the registering at an additional fee paid directly to the company. My vet also retains a copy for his records. In the case of a dog, it would be silly to not register the chip IMO, as the main idea (at least for me) is that the chip could be scanned at a shelter or some such place if they were found lost, and they would then the company, who would then contact me.

However, it could be looked at somewhat differently, I think, in the case of chipping a snake. Chances are, your snake isn't going to "run away" and be brought to a shelter....so would there really be a need to "register" the animal with the company? Even if the animal were stolen and recovered, you would retain the proof of the unique microchip number that is provided with each chip, that could simply be passed on to future owners if sold. Then there would be no question of having to worry about scenarios like Michael brought up, such as selling a large Burm or such that caused an injury falling back on you.

If you did choose to register the chip, it would probably be just as simple to include the price of the ownership transfer in with the selling price of the animal, and then fill out the paperwork and send it in at the time of sale. That way, you KNOW that the chip is no longer registered in your name.
 
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I have a pair of chipped ball pythons. They have had no issues and I can't even find the chip. I know where it is, but I can't feel it.

I chip my cats and dogs with no issues. We did lose one recently due to cancer, but she was old and had lost her hearing, had cataracts and arthritis before she went. So I don't blame the cancer on the chip, I blame it on old age.

There has also been reported cancers at injection sites for cat vaccines. I still vaccinate my pets.

I think chips can be a great idea. But remember, what is high end today is not worth much in a couple years in the morph business.
 
asixtwo said:
You mean I can't sell my 10 year old pastels for $5000 apiece anymore? ;)
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I wish we could, I'd be sitting on a fortune and vacationing in the Caribbean. But my vacation this year will consist of a few quiet hours in my backyard hammock, providing I can get the neighbors dog to shut the heck up.
 
Melinda said:
I wish we could, I'd be sitting on a fortune and vacationing in the Caribbean. But my vacation this year will consist of a few quiet hours in my backyard hammock, providing I can get the neighbors dog to shut the heck up.
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You and me both Mel!
You and me both.......
 
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