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I'll never reduce myself to being dependent on public social media
acceptance values.
I'll never reduce myself to being dependent on public social media
acceptance values.
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dang phone 
anyway . . . . . . .public forum fodder is what it is
People often allow themselves to be influenced crosswise to "intentions"
but more commonly "assumptions"
anyway . . . . . . .public forum fodder is what it is
People often allow themselves to be influenced crosswise to "intentions"
but more commonly "assumptions"
cashhugger
New member
I remember reading this on facebook. it was written by a young female. by young i mean 19-22 years.
jrbannister0726
Navy Doc
21 yr old female from texas
It was actually written by a female, so quick to say it was a male. I totally agree with it.
It was actually written by a female, so quick to say it was a male. I totally agree with it.
Shadera
Wayward Python Wet Nurse
I may not agree with it word for word, but I certainly agree with the point he's trying to make.
Too many people are getting a free ride, and that money doesn't just materialize out of thin air. It's way past time that it becomes something you use when you absolutely need it, not something you see as a long-term plan to support yourself and your family. There are a whole generation of young people being brought up to want to live in a welfare society, because there's zero incentive for them to try and do any better.
What happens when the slaves refuse to pay for these people to eat and procreate like bunnies?
Too many people are getting a free ride, and that money doesn't just materialize out of thin air. It's way past time that it becomes something you use when you absolutely need it, not something you see as a long-term plan to support yourself and your family. There are a whole generation of young people being brought up to want to live in a welfare society, because there's zero incentive for them to try and do any better.
What happens when the slaves refuse to pay for these people to eat and procreate like bunnies?
Cat_Eyed_Lady
New member
I said it tongue in cheek.
Soemone that young should do abit more reading on the subject. Easier for men to get fix than women.
I do agree that ppl (gov or otherwise) shouldnt have so darn many kids. But especially the ones that cant support what they have.
I have said I agree with most of what was in the newspaper clipping but some I find Really offensive. My personal opinion.
Fangthane
Tuck Frump!
I generally don't waste time talking politics, but here's my $.02
There may be some merit in some of the ideas, but aside from the slight caveat of being voluntary, the diatribe in the OP reads, to me, as little more than a modified communist manifesto. Advocating indentured servitude, while absolutely reinforcing some semblance of a caste system.
Conflicting ideologies aside, that whole thing comes across as the ramblings of someone who can't differentiate between how easy it is to spew their twisted Utopian views, and how pitifully little relevance it has, in regards to any kind of feasible real-world implimentation. If it's such a simple matter for the government to create jobs out of thin air for these people, and on such a grand scale, why isn't it already being done?
All in all, it just sounds like an extremist wackjob that's managed to convince him/herself that their own black and white perspective is the only way to look at our society's problems.
As much as certain monomaniacal reductionists refuse to concede the points: not everyone is trying to milk the government for all they're worth, all that are on government assistance do not actively wish to be, one size never fits all. The writer's views appear to be based on the premise that all those in need of help should be actively punished for the way that some others choose to abuse the system. Advocating that those less fortunate should become government property, in all but name, doesn't seem like it'd serve any positive purpose, nor does it seem particularly "American" to me.
But I suppose I'll just be labeled as a 'bleeding heart' for wanting to juxtapose any degree of humanitarianism with that rant. I mean, they're only poor people, right? As long as it's not you or yours, why give a damn about dehumanizing someone else? If they can't do themselves, no less you, any good, what use are they?
Maybe I'm the one that's being wrong-minded and seeing things through overly rose-tinted glasses, here. It just seems to be a very cold, calloused way to go about whatever necessary reforms there are to be made within the welfare system. And no, I'm neither currently or welfare, nor have I ever been.
There may be some merit in some of the ideas, but aside from the slight caveat of being voluntary, the diatribe in the OP reads, to me, as little more than a modified communist manifesto. Advocating indentured servitude, while absolutely reinforcing some semblance of a caste system.
Conflicting ideologies aside, that whole thing comes across as the ramblings of someone who can't differentiate between how easy it is to spew their twisted Utopian views, and how pitifully little relevance it has, in regards to any kind of feasible real-world implimentation. If it's such a simple matter for the government to create jobs out of thin air for these people, and on such a grand scale, why isn't it already being done?
All in all, it just sounds like an extremist wackjob that's managed to convince him/herself that their own black and white perspective is the only way to look at our society's problems.
As much as certain monomaniacal reductionists refuse to concede the points: not everyone is trying to milk the government for all they're worth, all that are on government assistance do not actively wish to be, one size never fits all. The writer's views appear to be based on the premise that all those in need of help should be actively punished for the way that some others choose to abuse the system. Advocating that those less fortunate should become government property, in all but name, doesn't seem like it'd serve any positive purpose, nor does it seem particularly "American" to me.
But I suppose I'll just be labeled as a 'bleeding heart' for wanting to juxtapose any degree of humanitarianism with that rant. I mean, they're only poor people, right? As long as it's not you or yours, why give a damn about dehumanizing someone else? If they can't do themselves, no less you, any good, what use are they?
Maybe I'm the one that's being wrong-minded and seeing things through overly rose-tinted glasses, here. It just seems to be a very cold, calloused way to go about whatever necessary reforms there are to be made within the welfare system. And no, I'm neither currently or welfare, nor have I ever been.
Cat_Eyed_Lady
New member
Said so much better than I could have ever hoped to put it! 
nope aint none of their fualt,none a'tall Cat_Eyed_Lady
New member
I will not be commenting in here again 
I am one of 'those' ppl and yes, its not my fault. I am begining to feel abit like I am being poked with a stick so... I guess I am either too sensitive (NOT) or I am too close to this subject.
I am one of 'those' ppl and yes, its not my fault. I am begining to feel abit like I am being poked with a stick so... I guess I am either too sensitive (NOT) or I am too close to this subject.
I like you just the way you are.
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Come on now ain't no way to be
Fear no stick,defend what you understand
Fear no stick,defend what you understand
I will not be commenting in here again
snowgyre
Well-known member
Well said, Dan, well said. The crux of the matter is do we eliminate a system designed to help those who have fallen upon rough times due to a few bad apples who abuse that system? As one who recently had a friend with a college degree in commercial aviation seek unemployment just to put food on the table, despite applying to dozens of jobs in the area and trying desperately to find employment, I can attest that not everyone in welfare or unemployment or disability are abusing the system (in fact, that friend of mine is only making ends meet right now because I am allowing him to live in my house for free and I am purchasing all the food).
Does the system need more policing? Perhaps, but please don't assume that everyone using governmental programs wants to be using governmental programs. I was a week away from homeless once, and that was after I earned my Ph.D. These are scary, actually quite terrifying, economic times. Be grateful that you don't have to make these tough decisions. I almost had to sell all my personal belongings and live in a tent on state land just to pay my college debt, until a miracle happened and I landed a post doc.
Does the system need more policing? Perhaps, but please don't assume that everyone using governmental programs wants to be using governmental programs. I was a week away from homeless once, and that was after I earned my Ph.D. These are scary, actually quite terrifying, economic times. Be grateful that you don't have to make these tough decisions. I almost had to sell all my personal belongings and live in a tent on state land just to pay my college debt, until a miracle happened and I landed a post doc.
Who here is attacking those in need of assistance?
The commentary in the OP was very clear on who's
rolling on 24's. Those that need do not instill generational believe
and exceptance as "the way" to the american dream.
The commentary in the OP was very clear on who's
rolling on 24's. Those that need do not instill generational believe
and exceptance as "the way" to the american dream.
KORBIN5895
New member
When 95% of the apples are rotten it's time to throw the whole bushel out.
FYI my parents and grand mother worked the system like a cheap hooker working the corner. Iyself refuse to use the system in any way , shape or form.
FYI my parents and grand mother worked the system like a cheap hooker working the corner. Iyself refuse to use the system in any way , shape or form.
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FireStorm
New member
I did taxes for 6 years, had about 200 clients every year. You would be shocked at how many actually told me they either had children or were planning to just so they could get more tax credits and gov't assistance. It was A LOT of people...and that is a terrible mentality to encourage. I also had a friend who was applying for financial aid to go to college...her parents were out of the picture, she was 18 working her way through school and was told by the financial aid person that she should get pregnant so she could qualify.
Maybe I just don't get it because I don't have kids, but I do not understand why we have a system that essentially rewards irresponsible decisions. I don't have kids, I have a job, I pay for health insurance even though it's been a stretch at times (and it's crappy insurance) and I probably could not afford my medical bills if something major happened. But if I had a kid, I'd qualify for medicaid. I was told after I graduated and had trouble finding a job, that job placement assistance would have been available if only I had a kid...they actually said that. I just find that super irritating, especially since I don't want to have kids and have gone to a good deal of effort (and expense) to make sure I don't.
Maybe I just don't get it because I don't have kids, but I do not understand why we have a system that essentially rewards irresponsible decisions. I don't have kids, I have a job, I pay for health insurance even though it's been a stretch at times (and it's crappy insurance) and I probably could not afford my medical bills if something major happened. But if I had a kid, I'd qualify for medicaid. I was told after I graduated and had trouble finding a job, that job placement assistance would have been available if only I had a kid...they actually said that. I just find that super irritating, especially since I don't want to have kids and have gone to a good deal of effort (and expense) to make sure I don't.