• Responding to email notices you receive.
    **************************************************
    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

  • IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!! About the Google Adsense ads being displayed

    =====================
    Posted 08/15/2025
    =====================


    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

    =====================
    Addendum: 01/10/2026
    =====================


    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

Python Strangles 2-Year-Old Central Florida Girl

What is it with the "lets just lock them up" mentality that the people in this country have? Lets take some folks who probably dont have a true criminal bone in their body, throw them into prison for poor judgment and then watch them come out as REAL criminals.

The prison system should be used for violent offenders that are a threat to society. Putting honest hard working people into prison for unfortunate accidents, which we are doing by the thousands every year now in this country, is not the answer.

Well said.

I'll take it a step further and say that, based on what I managed to ascertain from the various articles, I haven't seen anything that would even warrant child endangerment charges or oversight.

It looks like reasonable, if ultimately ineffectual, steps were taken to secure the animal and that it managed to circumvent them. It just happened to be of a size sufficient to cause harm to a toddler.

I knew a couple a few years back, they had four kids (with a fifth on the way), good people, very responsible parents, very responsible reptile owners. There was an accident at a playground, one of their daughters lost a piece of her finger when it got caught and crushed inside some of the playground equipment. She was being supervised, she just managed to get her finger into a spot where it was crushable. This immediately caused them to be placed under the scrutiny of child protective services- ultimately that attention waned as there was nothing to support the intervention of the state, but their pets, their practices, every aspect of their lives got hit with an invasive microscope for over a year as a result.

Accidents. Tragic, terrible accidents... don't only follow incidents of neglect or endangerment. Sometimes unfortunate things simply happen. Punishing people for something that resulted from a brownian fluke seems unnecessarily punitive.
 
Police: Charges Expected Against Python Owner in Florida Toddler's Strangling Death

Nothing new here; I added pictures of the dead snake and the text of an article.

Police: Charges Expected Against Python Owner in Florida Toddler's Strangling Death
Thursday , July 02, 2009

Police are expected to bring charges against the owner of a pet python that strangled a 2-year-old Florida girl in her crib, killing her.

A Sumter County Sheriffs employee, who is not authorized to speak about the case, told FOXNews.com that charges are coming but wouldn't elaborate because investigators still are working on the specifics. The charges likely won't be filed on Thursday.

Shaiunna Hare died early Wednesday morning after being attacked by the snake, which belonged to her mother's boyfriend and escaped from its aquarium, deputies said.

The little girl was killed by the 8-foot, 5-inch Burmese python as she slept after it got out of its tank in another room of the house, according to Sumter County Sheriffs Lt. Bobby Caruthers.

An autopsy released Thursday determined that the child died by asphyxiation.

The aquarium didn't have a lock as required by law, Caruthers told FOX News Thursday.

Jaren Ashley Hare, 21, and Shaiunna shared the central Florida home with Hare's boyfriend, 32-year-old Charles Jason Darnell, and his children.

Caruthers told FOX that Darnell may face charges for not having a permit for the python. Deputies say Darnell did not have the $100 permit required to own a python in Florida, which is a second-degree misdemeanor.

He also could be charged with child endangerment, child neglect or even manslaughter or homicide, according to Caruthers.

Darnell told investigators that he put the snake in a bag inside its aquarium Tuesday night. But when he woke up Wednesday morning, he said, the snake was gone. He found it wrapped around the girl in her crib.

Darnell stabbed the snake repeatedly to free the little girl, but the toddler already had been strangled. The snake also bit her on the head, the station reported.

He called 911 after he pried the python away from the child.

"The baby's dead!" a sobbing caller from the house screamed to a 911 dispatcher in tapes released by police. "Our stupid snake got out in the middle of the night and strangled the baby!"

Click to hear the 911 call.

Authorities did not identify the caller and removed the person's name from the recording.

"She got out of the cage last night and got into the baby's crib and strangled her to death," the caller says in the tape.

Click here for photos.

Paramedics said the little girl was dead when they arrived at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the house in Oxford, about 50 miles northwest of Orlando.

Two other children also were in the house at the time but were not hurt, according to WTVT.

The pet already had escaped once earlier that night, Caruthers told FOX News.

Authorities removed the snake Wednesday from the small house, bordered by cow pastures, after obtaining a search warrant. Once outside, the python was placed in a bag, which was put inside a dog crate. It was still alive.

Hare and Darnell were taken to the police station for questioning.

"They are very distraught," Caruthers told WTVT, adding that the two have been "very cooperative."


Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation spokeswoman Joy Hill said the snake will be placed with someone who has a permit, pending an investigation into the girl's death.

Hill said her department is unaware of a non-venomous snake ever before killing a human in Florida.

"This could be a first for the state," she told the station.

Burmese pythons are not native to Florida, but they easily survive in the state and can reach a length of 26 feet and weigh more than 200 pounds.

Some owners have freed pythons into the wild and a population of them has taken hold in the Everglades. One killed an alligator and then burst when it tried to eat it.

Scientists also speculate a bevy of Burmese pythons escaped in 1992 from pet shops battered by Hurricane Andrew and have been reproducing since.

"It's becoming more and more of a problem, perhaps no fault of the animal, more a fault of the human," said Jorge Pino, a state wildlife commission spokesman. "People purchase these animals when they're small. When they grow, they either can't control them or release them."

George Van Horn, owner of Reptile World Serpentarium in St. Cloud, said the strangulation could have occurred because the snake felt threatened or because it thought the child was food.

"They are always operating on instinct," he said. "Even the largest person can become overpowered by a python."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529835,00.html?test=latestnews

Not exactly a 'giant' snake.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
If legislation rises from this, then we can rise to meet it and make sure it's reasonable, logical and appropriate. Until it does though... I for one am inclined to let a family grieve for their loss without kicking them in the face while they do it.

Seamus, finally! I was wondering when you'd show up to share your perspective. You were able to eloquently sum up my viewpoint with this statement in many fewer words than I did.

Sammy, when I wrote that remark about "jailing the stupidity out" of people, I was writing facetiously, not literally. I happen to believe that our criminal "justice" system is as woefully ineffective and flawed as our public schools, but that's another discussion. What I was attempting (poorly) to demonstrate is the point that, if we're going to be legislated, we might as well be instrumental in designing laws that protect us from abusive and unreasonable regulation as well as protecting the public from the perceived perils associated with reptile keeping. I also think it's a factor, and an important one, that lawmakers and the public see that we as a community are equally concerned about, and committed to, preventing this type of tragedy from occurring again. It might make them more willing to take our concerns and recommendations into account.

And Seamus, right on with your point about the family being allowed to grieve. So many parents are strung up and vilified when terrible accidents occur but you just know that no one can make them feel worse than they already do. I would think that having to spend the rest of your life knowing you caused a child's death (however indirectly or unintentionally) would be punishment enough.
 
Thats a shame. That poor baby died because of some dumbass that dont know anything about reptiles. He didnt have the permit??? the person that sold him the snake should of made sure the person had all permits before selling them a python. GRRR some people are just so freaking dumb.... i hope he rots in jail for this.

This really makes me mad reading this. i have 10 Burmese pythons all are 8ft to 15ft and i also have a 10 year old daughter and a 7 month old son and they both love my collection of snakes and every cage is locked and escape proof.
 
I have some thoughts on this subject. Unfortunately there are too many parents out there that overlook the possibility of injury to their children when choosing to own and house animals. The example that comes to mind has absolutely nothing to do with reptiles. Last year my husband and I were walking through our local humane society looking to adopt a puppy. While we were there a couple and their child were in the process of adopting a rather large mastiff mix. Within two minutes of "knowing" this dog they were allowing their small child to walk it on a leash. Needless to say the situation ended with the child being bit by a large nervous dog around strange people and in an unpleasant environment. I then heard the mother refer to the dog as a "monster" as they were strolling out the door. Not once did either parent stop to think of the huge mistake they had made by allowing a strange and powerful animal to have full access to their child. They were convinced the dog was the problem and not them. Now had they adopted the dog and properly acclimated the dog first to it's master(the adults), then to the home, and finally the child the situation very likely would have ended much differently.

As far as reptiles are concerned I personally feel that if you have children you have the responsibility to properly house the animals away from your children in cages that neither the animal can escape nor the child enter. In some cases that may mean a locked room. If someone isn't willing to take the proper precautions then they should not own the animal and I must question their right to procreate as well.

As adults we have the never ending task of keeping all things we are responsible for safe including our pets. It's simple logic that unfortunately in this case caused a horrible tragedy. I feel for the parents and their loss and hope that they fall into the percentage of people who would know that this tragedy was their fault and their fault alone and do not attempt to place blame on a "dangerous" animal that outsmarted everyone and was out for blood. The snake followed it's instincts and the adults seem to have ignored theirs. I do not believe criminal charges are necessary as I think for at least the mother the punishment will never end and no jail sentence would really matter.
 
Yall are gonna love this!

Craig's list post in my area:

friend houston craigslist > pets
please flag with care:

miscategorized
prohibited
spam/overpost
best of craigslist
SNAKE KILLS 2 year old! (everywhere)
Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-07-03, 10:24AM CDT


When are people going to stop keeping snakes as pets!!!???? It is difficult at best to domesticate reptiles because they share very little DNA with mammals. GET RID OF YOUR STUPID SNAKES and put them back in the food chain where they belong. AND PLEASE STOP PUTTING THEM ON CL with real pets!

* Location: everywhere
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests



PostingID: 1251870818
 
Yes, the parent & boyfriend are going to live with the guilt forever, big whip. The 2 yr old is dead forever.

It is my belief that even if the snake never left it's enclosure the mere fact that there wasn't a child proof lock on it's enclosure is child endangerment.

You put little plastic thingies in electrical outlets, move toxic cleaners out of reach but you don't lock an 8 ft+ snake cage?! A bag is enough? Come on, now.

I don't care about the permit or even the law itself honestly, I care that these people didn't care enough to take the proper steps to ensure the basic safety of a toddler.
Because of their negligent husbandry and parenting practices the girl is dead, the snake is probably going to be put down, and once again my hobby is under negative scrutiny.

As I said before education for all and jail for the morons. Is jail going to fix the problem? Nope, but at least it takes them out of the breeding pool for awhile. Is the jail system itself hopelessly flawed? Yup, got a better solution that has a snowballs chance in the Bahamas chance of being implemented? I'd like to hear it.

As for social services, I lost my first colombian boa when my daughter was three. Despite the fact that the worker couldn't even move the cage from the wall to get to the door, despite the fact that the worker couldn't get the locks off, and despite the fact that all the slide bolts where also latched.
All because the potential was supposedly there. Because people like these can't put a simple lock on an enclosure, cause the death of small children and feed the paranoia.

I have no sympathy for the mother or boyfriend. None.
The rest of the family my heart goes out to & words can not express how sad and angry I am that that the girl's life was cut off so short through absolutely no fault of her own.
 
hmm...the snake in that picture is not as big as i had thought it would be when i first read about this

anywho

that CL post made my stomach turn

this is such a sad story...for the poor girl...the family that has to suffer from such an event...the poor snake that didnt even know it was doing anything wrong/bad...and for this hobby, that will surely get some heat from this in the end

*sigh*
no matter what numbers anyone gives trying to explain how rare exotic pets killing people really is....the simple fear from the masses will always seem louder then the statistics

which is the exact reason people will pay more attention to a story like this and not the hundreds of car related deaths in each city alone....lets ban exotic pets and save 12 people in almost 30 years....but lets ignore all the horrible drivers that risk lives every day.

something so rarely witnessed is going to get more attention then something society has accepted as a daily reality

especially when its highly misunderstood and feared
 
he obvioulsy didnt have it locked up what an idiot poor baby gets killed due to parental ignorance
 
all i can say is that a child is lost due to people not being educated enough to keep a snake thats going to get 8+ feet i dont feel jail is a sentence that is suited for this sad accident but i do feel the parents should never be aloud to own a snake again after this granted i dont think they ever will want one
 
People need to wake up. When was the last time you saw a constrictor constrict something that it didn't intend to eat? And what about that snake makes anyone here think, that the snake figured it could even fit the child down? ???


I know snakes are snakes, wild and instinctive by nature. It's that same instinct that makes me believe the snake is a scape goat for some other heinous activity. It just ain't natural for an 8 ft snake to think it could choke down something as large as a 2 yr old toddler.
 
Meant to add, any who feel the same, you may want to voice that opinion. It may lead to a deeper investigation, revealing more info, or sealing the first autopsy report.

Here's the one to call...

Lt. Bobby Caruthers
http://www.sumtercountysheriff.org/phonedirectory.asp

Lieutenant Bobby Caruthers
Supervisor School Resource Unit
(352) 793-0222 ext. 2661


It was voiced also that the owner of this python was just arrested in May for possession charges, with the intent to distribute, cocaine and methamphetamine. Anyone out there who can verify this????
 
People need to wake up. When was the last time you saw a constrictor constrict something that it didn't intend to eat? And what about that snake makes anyone here think, that the snake figured it could even fit the child down? ???


I know snakes are snakes, wild and instinctive by nature. It's that same instinct that makes me believe the snake is a scape goat for some other heinous activity. It just ain't natural for an 8 ft snake to think it could choke down something as large as a 2 yr old toddler.

That's an interesting idea to ponder. Constriction will sometimes occur with defensive bites, although burms aren't real inclined to do that too often, they usually bite and release rather than bite and wrap- unless they intend to eat it.

I was a little irritated to see that the autopsy apparently decided the cause of death was asphyxiation, since that's really not how or why constriction causes death; it's got a lot more to do with restricted blood flow and building and unbalanced blood pressure- the restriction of lung expansion is really secondary.

Although I'd also guess that a qualified medical examiner would probably have some insight into things like that. They may not be experts on the details of the predatory strategies of snakes, but you'd figure they'd look for bruising where the wraps were and verify the bite marks found on the child's head.
 
I was a little irritated to see that the autopsy apparently decided the cause of death was asphyxiation, since that's really not how or why constriction causes death; it's got a lot more to do with restricted blood flow and building and unbalanced blood pressure- the restriction of lung expansion is really secondary.
QUOTE]

True, but the snake could have gotten itsself around the child's neck. I think declaring asphyxiation without an autopsy is premature- but it still could be the cause of death.
 
The autopsy was released the next morning I think it was. One word...asphyxiation. They didn't mention anything else besides bite mark on the head.

As Seamus pointed out, if the burm squeezed her neck, there would likely be bruising. At minimum some sub surface hemorrhaging from the force of the constriction.

I just still have my doubts.
 
Killer python owner: 'It was a terrible, awful accident'

This snake had escaped the night before; this tragedy was caused by an irresponsible owner and his piece of crap cage.

----------
"She had got out the night before," he said, referring to the hours before the attack. "I woke up, went to the bathroom and found her in the hallway. That's when I put her in the laundry bag and put her back in the tank."

Darnell said he pulled a quilt down tight over the top of the tank and then used safety pins and bungee cords to secure the top. "I don't know how she got out," he said.
------------


OrlandoSentinel.com
FIRST ON ORLANDOSENTINEL.COM
Killer python owner: 'It was a terrible, awful accident'

In his first interview with the Orlando Sentinel, Charles Darnell said he has been stricken by grief in the month since the family's pet Burmese python suffocated his girlfriend's 2-year-daughter in her crib in a rural community about 60 miles northwest of Orlando.
Anthony Colarossi

Sentinel Staff Writer

6:41 PM EDT, July 31, 2009

Almost a month ago, a pet Burmese python escaped from its enclosure in a rural Sumter County home and suffocated 2-year-old Shaiunna Hare as she slept in her crib.

The attack made international headlines and became a convenient tragedy for politicians and bureaucrats to use as they called for organized hunts of wild Burmese.

But for Charles Darnell and his girlfriend Jaren A. Hare, the loss was indescribable.

The last month left them mourning a child they loved, questioning themselves for becoming so trusting of the snake and worrying if criminal charges will come.

Darnell, 32, spoke Friday in his first interview with the Orlando Sentinel.

He said the child's death has altered his life forever and made him a "monster" in the eyes of many around the world and in his tiny town Oxford, 60 miles northwest of Orlando.

"It was an accident. It was a terrible, awful accident," said Darnell, vacillating between shouts and sobs.

"It's not guilt," Darnell said of the way he feels today. "It's remorse and grief. I'll never have another one [a snake]."

His comments came a day after prosecutors said they needed more time to investigate the case to determine if Darnell or Hare ought to face criminal charges.

Darnell does not claim to be a snake expert, but he said he has been around the reptiles much of his life.

He cannot describe the attraction to boa constrictors and Burmese, except to say, "Some people are bird people. Some people are cat people. And some people are snake people."

The Burmese suspected in the child's death became a pet about nine years ago.

And Darnell said he took good care of the animal, but also said he thought the 8 1/2-foot female was instinctively moving around when it escaped because it was reaching its sexual maturity.

And he suspects that is why the snake was so determined to escape its 150-gallon aquarium.

"She had got out the night before," he said, referring to the hours before the attack. "I woke up, went to the bathroom and found her in the hallway. That's when I put her in the laundry bag and put her back in the tank."

Darnell said he pulled a quilt down tight over the top of the tank and then used safety pins and bungee cords to secure the top. "I don't know how she got out," he said.

Snake experts such as Andrew Wyatt, president of the United States Association of Reptile Keepers, question Darnell's story, particularly the part about the snake reaching sexual maturity.

A Burmese that old weighing 12.3 pounds had to be "emaciated," he said.

"That animal was not sexually mature. That animal was undernourished,'' Wyatt said.

In any case, Darnell acknowledges it was a "mistake" for them not to be afraid enough of the snake, although he said he always took "extra precautions" with the Burmese, especially when children were nearby.

He also supports the ongoing state and federal efforts to capture and euthanize wild Burmese in South Florida because the top predators threaten native wildlife there and reproduce so successfully.

"I've said for a long time that they need to get them out of there," he said.

As for pet behavior, Darnell said: "Any animal at any time can turn on you for any reason."

Darnell said it has been difficult for him to do simple things in public, like grocery shopping, because of all the notoriety surrounding the case.

State wildlife officials said the snake's owner could face a second-class-misdemeanor charge because no one held a license for the python.

The misdemeanor charge could be punishable up to a $500 fine and 60 days in jail.

On Friday Darnell said, "The snakes were bought back in 2000 when the laws and permits did not exist."

The Burmese pythons were not regulated for permitting back then. But Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officials said as of Jan. 1, 2008, Burmese python owners had six months to get the required permitting and microchips for the snakes.

While the case involves prosecutors and wildlife officials, the state Department of Children and Families also continues to investigate allegations of inadequate supervision and maltreatment in the death of the child and threatened harm and inadequate supervision involving two other children in the home when the attack occurred.

"This agency was contacted to investigate the circumstances surrounding the death of" the girl, DCF spokeswoman Carrie Hoeppner said in a statement.

"The current investigation is primarily focused on her death. It expands to include whether or not the other children, who were in the home that night, were also placed in any harms way; intentional or not."

Darnell said the DCF involvement has added stress and hassle in the aftermath of the tragedy.

"They've been harassing me," he said. "We lost our child and now we're dealing with that."

The inquiries come at a sensitive time. A girl is dead. Hare is expected to give birth to Darnell's child very soon. And Darnell still struggles with the death of his son due to an illness several years ago.

Shortly before the July 1 incident, DCF had investigated Darnell for neglect of a child and child abuse. That case involved alleged drug use and dealing, but it was ultimately unfounded.

DCF did not find enough risk to take children from the home.

Darnell said the caseworker who initially investigated the unfounded case commented on the snakes.

"He was impressed by how well the snakes were kept," he said. "He talked about the snakes to us. He thought it was neat that we had them and kept them."

Darnell said the original DCF case was prompted by an upset relative who made false claims, but now he worries that the new probe could affect his relationship with Hare and their unborn child.

He has experienced terrible loss before.

His young son died in 2003 due to a rare disease. He spent days in the hospital with the boy, who was almost 3.

And today Darnell can't help but remember that experience when he thinks of the morning one month ago when he found the Burmese wrapped around young Shaiunna.

"How do you deal with losing a child? I don't wish that on anybody," he said. "You don't deal with it, man. You don't deal with it. You grieve, but you never get over losing a child. When your child dies it take a piece of you, too."

Copyright © 2009, Orlando Sentinel

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...er-python-owner-speaks-073109,0,3498768.story
 
Last edited:
Didn't the 911 call say that he found the snake "on top" of the girl? Now I gotta search for it. I'm pretty sure it did. Now it's the hallway? Did this actually get by the investigators?
 
Didn't the 911 call say that he found the snake "on top" of the girl? Now I gotta search for it. I'm pretty sure it did. Now it's the hallway? Did this actually get by the investigators?
I think the burm got out twice. He found it in the hallway and then put it in the bag, in the tank. It got out again, however.....

He's clearly an idiot.
 
Back
Top