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Question On Loki Herpetology???

IMO, Joliff and NERD won't back anything that doesn't have THEIR paperwork...the fact that somebody is claiming/stating that the parents of your snakes were purchased from them does not & should not drag them into it. Are these 100% hets, or possible hets? Were you shown pics of the "parents"?
 
The BoidSmith said:
Tom,

I'm confused about the origin of your snakes. What do Joliff and NERD have to do with them? Were they the ones who produced both snakes?
Regards.
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Dan, from post #8
On the certificate they stated that the SIRE was from NERD and the DAM from Joliff.
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Thanks Harald! Tom you have a PM.
 
Well, Schmeby's e-mail it's not working either.

The original message was received at Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:51:48 -0500
from mail.itctel.com [209.105.36.4]

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550 5.1.2 <[email protected]>... Host unknown (Name server: lokiherp.com.: host not found)
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hhmoore said:
IMO, Joliff and NERD won't back anything that doesn't have THEIR paperwork...the fact that somebody is claiming/stating that the parents of your snakes were purchased from them does not & should not drag them into it. Are these 100% hets, or possible hets? Were you shown pics of the "parents"?
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They were sold to me as 100% het for albino. I have 2 sets of paperwork one set is called Snake Paperwork & Record, it has an ID# and all info on each of the snakes, it also has a picture of the snake showing how much they weight. The other set of papers are the Certificate showing a picture of the snakes and other info and the names of who provided the sire and dam.

I am not holding them responsible I just want to know if they recalled selling the babies to Loki, that is all. I was not shown pictures of the parents. I am going to scan all of the paperwork and attach them so you all can see for yourself.

Again all I am trying to do is verify the info on the paperwork, that is all.
 
I figured you were only trying to verify the genetics by contacting NERD and Joliff, but when you said
How about NERD and JOLIFF? I purchased a pair of Het Albino Ball Pythons last year from them and was wanting to discuss the garanty they offered with the sale. On the certificate they stated that the SIRE was from NERD and the DAM from Joliff.
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Keep in mind that they may not have been purchased by "Loki" (the business)...they could have been purchased by an individual (associated with Loki or not). In order to get verification from the breeder, you would probably have to have the name of the original buyer.
 
For what it is worth, I haven't noticed any ads by Loki for quite some time
 
hhmoore said:
I figured you were only trying to verify the genetics by contacting NERD and Joliff, but when you said

Keep in mind that they may not have been purchased by "Loki" (the business)...they could have been purchased by an individual (associated with Loki or not). In order to get verification from the breeder, you would probably have to have the name of the original buyer.
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You are right, LOKI could had bought these snakes from somebody else that in turn bought the original parents from NERD and JOLIFF. I did not mean that I got the babies from them. I purchased the babies from LOKI HERPETOLGY and on the papers sent with the snakes it said that the parents that produced these babies were from NERD and JOLIFF.

You are right also they have not posted anything for sale in quite some time.

Thanks for your help.

Tom
 
Tom,

Do the snake's markings in the pictures of the paperwork match the one's you have?

Thanks.
 
Then I wouldn't be that worried.

Regards and good luck! :)
 
I know you aren't trying to be dismissive, Dan, but he does have a point...he has paperwork on two snakes, and the seller seems to be nonexistant at this point. As we so frequently say, the paper is only as good as the person that backs it. We're not talking NERD or Joliff, but some "business" that seems to have dissolved, leaving the customer with a couple of snakes that may/may not be the hets he shelled out money for. That 3X your money back stuff doesn't work when you can't contact the seller (and jeez, Chris only promised to refund 125% if his hets didn't prove out)
 
Harald,

What I meant to say (and I hope I understood him right) is that if the pictures are from the original paperwork that came from NERD and Mike and match the snakes, he has to feel at ease. Either one is a highly reputable sources. Yes, there would be a valid concern if the pictures would have been taken from an unknwon third party, and even more so if they didn't match the snakes he has.

Regards,
 
That's just it, Dan. He has paperwork from what seems to be a nonexistant entity - one piece apparently just ID and record keeping, the other "certificate" stating that the sire and dam are from NERD & Joliff, respectively.
I have 2 sets of paperwork one set is called Snake Paperwork & Record, it has an ID# and all info on each of the snakes, it also has a picture of the snake showing how much they weight. The other set of papers are the Certificate showing a picture of the snakes and other info and the names of who provided the sire and dam.
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If he had paperwork from NERD and Joliff, it would indicate that these snakes came from them...and I would agree entirely that there was no cause for concern
 
Thank you guys! I will have to wait until next breeding season to see if I get an Albino. If I get more info I will post it here. I will keep you guys posted as to what happens next year.

Thank you!!

Tom
 
I can't answer your question but I can make a comment about Loki Herps, if it is the same group located in Virginia. Last winter I bought and paid for a male albino sand boa advertised on Fauna Classifieds. Since the weather was so cold I asked them to hold him till it was better. When I contacted the to ship him, they kept giving me excuses and did not reply to emails or phone messages that I left. I do not trust them. I never got a refund or the snake. Skylarke
 
skylarke said:
I can't answer your question but I can make a comment about Loki Herps, if it is the same group located in Virginia. Last winter I bought and paid for a male albino sand boa advertised on Fauna Classifieds. Since the weather was so cold I asked them to hold him till it was better. When I contacted the to ship him, they kept giving me excuses and did not reply to emails or phone messages that I left. I do not trust them. I never got a refund or the snake. Skylarke
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I am sorry to hear about your situation. Have you posted the details here on the BOI?? These people are or were based out of Virginia. It appears that this Loki Herpetology was a fly by night company. These kind of people are in it to make a quick buck and pull out. But I have saying" WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" They will have to answer someday.
 
Reply to Question on Loki Herpetology???

If is the same Loki Herps that I dealt with from Virginia, I hope you have better luck than I did with them and their honesty. I paid for a male albino kenyan sand boa late last winter and asked them to hold the snake till the cold weather got better, which they agreed to do. We corresponded back and forth and when I asked for them to send my snake, there was always an excuse. I tried contacting them by both email and phone and received no response after a while. I still have not received the snake nor have I gotten a refund. I have left several messages on Brooke's phone who works with these people. She has never replied.

If your snakes do not prove out, good luck on getting a refund from them.
Skylarke
 
Tom and other interested parties ...

I hope that your hets prove out. To be honest, any info that you could get from "providers" of the original bloodline will do what ? As pointed out by someone earlier, I believe Dan, but when you see this:
I am wondering if they were selling quality animals and issued on paper offers that if the snakes do not prove out they would refund 3 times the original price paid for them.
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Unless they provide you with the contact at Lloyd's of London that backs this guarantee, don't you think such an offer has "buyer beware" written all over it ? Is this offer to get you to buy from them and ignore the poor businessman that only offers "2X your money back"? To say "they have a great guarantee" is one of the most naively foolish things I have read here in weeks. In the future folks, don't buy based one iota on the guarantee. Please buy on the reputation. Again, I hope they prove out. Geeeez.
 
A few points. First, the domain "lokiherp.com" is no longer registered by anyone accoring to two separate whois searches that I did so don't expect any e-mails to go through as there can be no web server or e-mail server if the domain doesn't exist.

Second, they were not far from me and had a good reputation at one point.

Third, if someone has a physical address for them I would be more than happy to pay them a visit (assuming that they are still in southeast VA as they were and not in Radford which is quite far) and make an inquiry, but before I do that, I'd want some clear indication that someone has been ripped off, so I'd need details from skylarke and anyone else that has a deal gone bad.

Fourth, as to
snakeman56 said:
Hi Dan, I just called the number you sent me via PM and a Mrs Davenport answered and she stated the her husband Michael is not and has not been associated with Loki Herpetology. Thanks for the help.

Tom
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Hearing this I would certainly wonder about those "hets" and sadly, be willing to lay odds against them proving out. Call me cynical of you like...
 
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