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I apologize if this has been asked before, I've been trying to find an answer by searching this forum and Internet.

My question, is Pied only available in Ball's and Corn's? How does one produce the Gene Mutation? I keep reading you need a Pied to Pied to produce Pied, kinda crazy if you don't have a Pied to start with. Is it just a off shoot of a breeding?

Can anyone point to some reading material online about this please?

Thanks,
 
Other species have Pieds as well. Tokay geckos, Reticulated pythons, Burmese Pythons, and I'm sure many many more.

It's a recessive trait. So if you breed a Pied (male) to a Pied (female) you will get all Pieds.
But you can also have Het's. These will be normal looking animals that carry the Piebald gene, so you can breed a Het Pied (male) to a Het Pied (female) and you can still produce a Pied. With hets you can produce "normals" that may or may not be Het Pieds, normals, and visual Pied's as well.

I'm certainly no geneticists so maybe someone with more knowledge could lend a better explanation.

*Het's will cost much less than visual's.*
 
if you google "piebald animals" you'll see pictures of tons of different animals that have it, from squirrels to rats to deer. Its kind of like albinos. As far as I know, all albino animals and piebald animals are recessive traits regardless of what kind of animal has it. It seems to be another common thing that spans many species of mammals and reptiles alike. And it always seems to look awesome :)
Now someone just needs to find these genes in bearded dragons, sense thats what I'm in to
 
Yep, piebald is a simple recessive trait. There are lots of other simple recessives out there, such as albinism, leucism, clown (ball pythons), and blue eyes (humans). Without getting needlessly complicated, animals that have repeated sequences (called tandem repeats in genetics, for example: ACACACAC) in their genes tend to have the most variability in skin/coat color, body size, etc. Basically, these tandem repeats give an animal's genome a great deal of flexibility, allowing them to adapt more readily (e.g. in fewer generations) to changing environmental conditions.

Most domesticated animals (dogs, cows, cats, rats, etc.) have lots of these repeats, and that's why we've been able to generate so many different 'morphs' or 'breeds' of these animals. Other animals that don't have as many of these repeats tend not to be as genetically malleable, and so it's harder to locate animals that have odd appearances (such as many species of reptiles and amphibians). For example, I doubt we'll ever see as many recessive bearded dragon morphs as we do recessive leopard gecko morphs, even with some of the genetic discoveries that have happened lately.

For an even more basic genetics lesson, every animal has two copies of a single gene. One copy is inherited from each parent. With recessives, both copies of a gene must be present for that recessive trait to be expressed. If you only have one copy, the 'stronger' normal gene will overpower the recessive gene, and you'll still have a normal looking animal. The reason albinos, leucistics, etc. are rare in the wild is because it would take two heterozygous parents (e.g. each parent has one copy of the gene) to produce a morph offspring, but you'd only have a 25% chance of actually getting a morph in a het to het breeding. So, if you're a deer, and you only have two fawns a year, you'd only have a 1 out of 4 chance to get a piebald/albino/leucistic baby. And even if you do have one of those babies, those recessive traits tend to make the babies stick out more to predators (think of an albino fawn and how obvious that would be to a coyote while it's hiding in green grass), so they rarely survive to adulthood to breed more odd looking animals.
 
if you google "piebald animals" you'll see pictures of tons of different animals that have it, from squirrels to rats to deer. Its kind of like albinos. As far as I know, all albino animals and piebald animals are recessive traits regardless of what kind of animal has it. It seems to be another common thing that spans many species of mammals and reptiles alike. And it always seems to look awesome :)
Now someone just needs to find these genes in bearded dragons, sense thats what I'm in to

Blood pythons can be added to the list of piebald animals too, as of earlier this month. :yesnod:

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Wow that's the first Blood photo I've ever seen! How many breedings did you have to go through to get that one? Very nice!
 
The beast in the pic above was actually wild caught from Indonesia last. The pic began floating around online when it was offered to several of the more prominent blood breeders in the US.

It is definitely in the US now, but the new owner(s) from what I can tell have remained quiet about it thus far.
 
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