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Rainer Weishaupl shipping USPS

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Here is the link to a thread in the Business section.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63514

This breeder shipped a snake to me USPS in an expressmail envelope (containing a tiny thin box barely large enough to contain the deli cup and a heat pack.) Apparently, another guy had an even worse shipping experience with this breeder and in his case there were unfortunate deaths (3 snakes.)
 
:angry: How much did this piece of crap charge you for shipping. I read your other post and you need to give us more information about this guy if this is even his real name. What are his ID's and what websites does he sell on? Please give us his full name, mailing address and email address. Have you reported him to Kingsnake? I will bet that this is some young kid. He needs to be run out of business!
 
well

I'm sure he is not a kid.... I have spoken with him on the phone and probably even seen a partial pic in an ad. Of course, I can't post someone's mailing address on a public forum (I simply do not have the right to expose someone to that.) I believe that knowing who the breeder is or advertises as is sufficient here. My original intent was to discuss the legal issues involved in shipping USPS and the packaging method, and someone in the Business section felt that it should be on the BOI so other people could request another shipping method if they did purchase from this breeder.

I got a call from rainer and he felt that I was being unfair in mentioning price in my original posts. I want to clarify that the only reason that I brought up price was because I wanted to establish that I did not buy a discount snake. I was not buying a snake off of an auction site from some unknown person and taking my chances. He also said that he believed that the time frame for my partial refund was shorter than 3 weeks. I would have to sift through a lot of emails to find the exact time frame but I will grant him that, I may have been mistaken on the time frame.

Also, apparently there may be some issues regarding the other situation that I mentioned in the first post of this thread. I would like to distance myself from that situation. There may be other issues that complicates that situation and I regret including a reference to it in my post since I do not know all sides of the story.
 
The problem with reporting to kingsnake is I get the impression they are like paypal, as long as the thing was shipped and you received it, they don't give a rats back end, after that point, whether shipped illegal, arrived dead, missrepressented etc.

I to am appalled at this guys behavior/ethics. Not only is he apparently shipping illegally through USPS with reckless abandon, but he is charging what it would cost to ship them legally through an overnighter, and pocketing the difference. Then there is the actual packaging, pathetic.
 
Guess we were posting at the same time.
So you've talked to him and he is aware of the situation, when he was complaining that he didn't think it fair that you brought up the price and time frame, did he mention at all anything about the illegal shipping methods, the overcharging for shipping, and the piss poor packaging, or did he conveniently leave those subjects out?
 
No I did not leave those subjects out with Charlene,. She just did not post them.

I charge $20-$25 for shipping and my packaging is the best in the bussiness.

Chralene got her money back in 6 days and not two weeks.

Check the original link Charlene provided above to read more.


I wish this could have been started here or stayed at the business section so I can address these issues without having to deal with two seperate threads.

Rainer
 
yes

it was discussed.... he assured me that the size of the container was not a negative aspect and that the snake was tightly packed so it would not be bumped around inside. He also said that he has experience shipping every method and that he believes that boxes handled by UPS and FedEx are knocked around and dropped more frequently than packages/envelopes handled by USPS.

From now on I will try to avoid getting snakes shipped to me whenever possible. (Not that this has been much of an issue before, but there is always a risk.) I will just try to attend more reptile shows to avoid having snakes shipped when possible. I just hope that the snakes that I want can be had at the shows that I have the time to attend.
 
Well Rainer

Six days is quite different than 3 weeks but WHY did you send the animals through the MAIL ????? Big no no and I'm sure you were aware of that. An envelope isn't what I'd call the best packaging in the business!! what did you do, get yourself shipped in order to find out which gave the best ride??? Nope you just charge for overnight DHL or UPS and instead ship through the mail.

Chusies buy what you want where you want !

Randy
 
Like I said you can check the link where this started on the business section. I explained the box is placed into an envelope. The snake is first placed in a deli-cup filled to the top with shavings so that the snake does not bounce or move about getting stress. Then the deli cup is placed into a box and then the box is placed in a large express envelope. We are talking about a small colubrid here and not a large boid or adult snake.
To see more about my shipping methods check this link on KS:

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=561697,565195
 
BTW ravensgait,

I charged Charlene $20 for overnight express shipping. DHL or UPS would have charged $45-$55 overnight.
 
bluerosy said:
I charge $20-$25 for shipping and my packaging is the best in the bussiness.
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So, your packaging is the best illegal packaging in the industry. Congratulations.


bluerosy said:
No I did not leave those subjects out with Charlene,. She just did not post them.

I charge $20-$25 for shipping and my packaging is the best in the bussiness.

Chralene got her money back in 6 days and not two weeks.

Check the original link Charlene provided above to read more.

I wish this could have been started here or stayed at the business section so I can address these issues without having to deal with two seperate threads.

Rainer.
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So, did you mark your package when you sent them USPS? I think not. Yet another law you do not think applies to you.

Apparently, you do not understand the consequences of your actions not only to yourself but also to this community. No, I take that back, I think you do but do not care. How could you not?

There is also at least a half dozens threads going on all the time about this issue.

You have no defense for your actions. You are breaking the law, which makes you a criminal.

Everything you have stated about your packaging means absolutely nothing wants you have admitted shipping via the post office.

All the people working hard to build up their business and actually paying to do business the right way and along comes some idiot who thinks he is above the law and does not have to follow the rules as everyone else.
 
Rainer

You Keep avoiding the question of WHY YOU SHIP USPS ??it is illegal to ship snakes through the USPS and you know that. So no matter how you try to slice it you screwed the proverbial pooch. And what is with all the talk about big boxes and conveyor belts etc your full of it plain and simple. Oh by the way DHL is 19.95 I believe. Man you not only screw your customers you screw every one of us!

Randy
 
Oh by the way DHL is 19.95 I believe.

If they charge a flat rate anywhere in the country then i will look into that.

So, did you mark your package when you sent them USPS? I think not. Yet another law you do not think applies to you.

I have never had a breeder ship snakes marked on the box. I am sure that most of you have received snakes that were not marked "snakes" on the box. Also all of the shipping companies in my state do not allow snakes to be shipped. I found out this is a local policy and not one that applies to all hubs in other states. The locale hub managers set the rules for their state. Maybe someday all companies will not allow snakes to be shipped. Its already a problem for shows when breeders cannot legally ship their snakes to a different state to set up. I hear this all the time at the shows I attend where vendors fly out of state. So most of them "fly under the radar"! ..so to speak.

The only company that allows shipping live snakes is Delta Dash and i am not a "known shipper". Known shipper status since 911 is very difficult to get. Besides they charge $70 plus per snake, which would be passed onto the buyer. Would you buy a $50 snake, pay $70 shipping and drive to the airport?

It sucks because i don't sell many snakes worth $2000. like Terry Dunham does. Most of my stock is more in the "affordable" range. I sell nice snakes for $30-$600. But mostly in the $50-$75 range. Kinda kills ones business when nobody will buy a snake when shipping is the price of the snake or more.

Bottom line is I just passed the savings onto the customer. I have always charged $20-$25. I don't charge DHL or Fed Ex prices and pocket the money. You guys are turning into a witchhunt.
 
You Keep avoiding the question of WHY YOU SHIP USPS ??it is illegal to ship snakes through the USPS and you know that. So no matter how you try to slice it you screwed the proverbial pooch. And what is with all the talk about big boxes and conveyor belts etc your full of it plain and simple. Oh by the way DHL is 19.95 I believe. Man you not only screw your customers you screw every one of us!


ravensgait

I never avoided the question. It was the first thing I replied to in my first post where this started in the business section. I am assuming everyone posting has read both places and then makes a reply.

I am now tired of this nonsence of running between two threads.
 
bluerosy said:
I have never had a breeder ship snakes marked on the box. I am sure that most of you have received snakes that were not marked "snakes" on the box. .
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I think that is a very big insult to all the breeders here.

bluerosy said:
[You guys are turning into a witchhunt.
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It is funny the only time recently I have heard that statement was from
Pete Perez, Mike Clark, Ray Torres, Adam Quagliata.

I wonder what you have in common with them?
 
It is funny the only time recently I have heard that statement was from Pete Perez, Mike Clark, Ray Torres, Adam Quagliata.

Whats funny is I have never heard of them either. Maybe your the one who spends to much time here.
 
The reason I am calling it a witchhunt is because in all the years I have been doing business I have had only one bad customer (Dan Felice). Charlene was mistaken about a couple things but was correct on the usps shipping. I don't always use usps.
 
It is not that difficult to become a verified Delta shipper. You should look into it.

What state do you live in?

It is NOT a per snake charge, it is a per package, which is allowed a given weight and size, for which the fee is 70.00 or there abouts.

It's really NOT a witch hunt.
 
It does take a while and in the mean time I have a lot of snakes to move. Besides driving to the airport and dealing with Delta several days a week is not feasable. Most people place an order and expect the snake at their doorstep. They either don't live near a major airpost nor do they want to drive and pick it up much less pay the high price. Not trying to be difficult just realistic. Thats what i and everyone eles has to compete with. If I use another carrier it will cost more and the casualty rate is high and its still against policy. So I am not gaining anything. I have been flagged by most carriers and they confiscate the snake to DNR which holds them for a week and the snakes are left in their container and get dehydrated before I get them back.
 
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