Randall Ellis, Reptile Locators (BAD GUY)

[Wolfy-hound]

*Waves at Griz*
That's what I was asking(way back on page whatever.. sorry, I worked today, didn't get back to the thread til now). I wondered since you DIDN"T seem to be an associate, if you were stating a annoyance with the general mentality on the BOI threads in general.
If you took me to mean I thought you WERE his associate I apoligize, but I was saying since I didn't htink you were, I wondered why... You answered that nicely for me thank you.
I don't like to see everyone brand someone a thief right off. But from all the comments from the two parties involved, he owes money, and he hasn't paid it. He should pay it. He said he owes them money(by his statements) and that he hasn't sent them money(by his statements) so he should.. send them money.
All other bits are actually fairly immaterial. That some snakes were no good had been addressed by the discount. That some African companies scam people is irrelevant, a lot of US people run scams too. Every one from everywhere does scams these days. Unless the OP is a known scammer, they should get benefit of a doubt like everyone else.
I hope that both parties can work out some payment that satifies both of them.
Theresa/Wolfy

 

[Dave Lawson]

I have waited til Randy posted and I waited and read all the post as I said I would.

I import animals and on every shipment I plan on a doa count of at least 10% and a bad animals count of another 10%. With in 48 hrs. and import will have a total count and make a report to thier exporter, now if 7 days later a snake dies well you eat that if you did not report it, it really simple. AA made the comment to Randy about Omega Brokers, well they are in Miami and If a person were to call them they may be able to deny or confirm that Randy had another shipment at the same time. I find it hard to believe that if randy had no funds for the AA shipment that he could aford another shipment at the very same time for TZ. Does anyone here think that there are 2 exporter willing to ship a 10k shipment on credit and pay friaght? I do think that there was some dead and bad animals but once Randy made his report and then agreed to the reduced total then that is what he owes.

He didn't send the first payment within the agreed time nor did he send any patment within the first 90 something days. Remember The same claim was made by another Tz. exporter over a year ago about Randy and then the story was the same.

The photos posted by Randy could very well be from a yaers ago or longer.Who knows? As for the Forest cobra I have had them come in looking like death sucking on a lifesaver when you are dealing with wild caught animals that is just the nature of the beast, you take the good with the bad.

Another point I would like to point out is that Randall has claimed many time that " my internet is down" the funny thing is that it only seems to be down when he needs to post here or to a person he owes money to because he can sure go to other sites with out trouble or remove adds.

Oh and Randy, I still get shipments from Ally.

 

[Wilomn]

Hey lawson, for a guy who makes 200.00 a month in season, you sure seem to be moving a lot of reptiles.

Anyone else find this interesting?

 

[Chameleon Company]

My guess is he's importing southern ringneck snakes and anoles from Georgia. Maybe a couple litters of garter snakes from the next county over. That might be $196 or so.

Dave, if your comments could stand alone, they have merit. But with all the baggage ..... not a chance.

 

[Dave Lawson]

Facts are facts........no matter who says it

 

[land536]

Dave I think you should take so of your advise, record it, listen to it closely,and follow it!!

 

[DThomas]

Hey lawson, for a guy who makes 200.00 a month in season, you sure seem to be moving a lot of reptiles.

Anyone else find this interesting?

As I am sure the folks who have judgements against him would also. Seeing as USFW inspection records are public record, one could easily obtain all import records of what Dave has imported. Then one could check with a few local importers and obtain an average value for what was imported. Then one could check websites of a few big dealers, or Kingsnake even and obtain an average retail price for that shipment. What you would then have is a good income estimate or at the very least, an accurate estimate of assets.

Seeing as Dave has posted here publicly that he is currently importing animals, and those importers usually require a significant minimum order, the court may be very interested on where Dave is aquiring the money to import these animals and then care for them. Especially since he is only claiming $200 a month in season.

If the court finds out about this info, I could see a contempt ruling or even a perjury charge if he was doing this during his debtor's exam.

 

[Wilomn]

Oh come now Dennis, you don't REALLY think an honest, cough cough, stand up, choke choke, guy like lawson would do such a thing?

Do you?


AHAhahahahahAHHAhahahahHAHAhahahahahHAHahahahahaHAHAHAHAhahahah

The guy is such a maroon, yes maroon, that he would, no bout adout it.

 

[Otter_23]

Shouldn't this thread be under the international board of inquiry?

 

[DThomas]

Oh come now Dennis, you don't REALLY think an honest, cough cough, stand up, choke choke, guy like lawson would do such a thing?

Do you?


AHAhahahahahAHHAhahahahHAHAhahahahahHAHahahahahaHAHAHAHAhahahah

The guy is such a maroon, yes maroon, that he would, no bout adout it.

Not a chance, but I digress, I helped take this off topic. I have added my comment to Dave's thread.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34668&page=1&pp=20

 

[DThomas]

Shouldn't this thread be under the international board of inquiry?

I do not see why. Randy is the subject of the thread and he is in the US. If both parties were outside of the US and Canada, then yes, that would be the appropriate place.

 

[Otter_23]

I was thinking since it was export import deal, but what you said makes sense.

 

[SoulSmilen]

The photos posted by Randy could very well be from a yaers ago or longer.Who knows?

Facts are facts........no matter who says it

I have no stake in this on either side, but if we're going to tout facts, just thought I'd claryify on the comment above.

The pictures Ellis posted were not taken years ago or longer; EXIF data is easily obtained on digital photos nowadays. All photos taken with a Canon PowerShot S3 IS.

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[Jim O]

I have no stake in this on either side, but if we're going to tout facts, just thought I'd claryify on the comment above.

The pictures Ellis posted were not taken years ago or longer; EXIF data is easily obtained on digital photos nowadays. All photos taken with a Canon PowerShot S3 IS.

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Not for nothing, but that is as easy to fake as anything else. Look at thses versions of the same photos. You'll notice that one is dated in 1662 and one in 2009. EXIF data is not reliable "proof". I'm not saying Randall altered them, just that it isn't "proof" of anything.

 

[Jim O]

Looking closer at that, one can still see the original dates as well as well as the faked "creation date" in Photoshop. Hmmmm. Those may well be "unalterable" by a layman such as myself.

 

[lanceheads]

Oh God! "Faked Photo's"!!!
Another conspiracy theory!
Maybe Randall took those photo's on the Grassy Knoll!

 

[Seamus Haley]

This thread has had raised, a few times, the old debate about evidence, proof and the need for an individual to provide certain amounts of both...

When it comes right down to it though, nobody is required to provide any proof of any statement they make according to the rules of the site. Any poster can make any contention about anything and the only real responsibility that they have comes with their ownership of their own words. If they're lying, it'll be found out. If they have ulterior motives, same thing there.

Evidence and proof... the word proof is a bad one to use most the time, since most things can be faked given enough effort. Emails, screenshots, photos of animals, bills, shipping labels, tracking numbers and photos of just about anything... A lot of evidence of wrongdoing was being questioned in this thread before the directly involved parties had a chance to address it. The legitimacy of the emails were questioned before Randall had a chance to come along and verify or deny their contents. The photos of animals in poor condition are being attacked as possible fakes even after Maria Milusheva had posted emails that indicated an acknowledged problem with animal quality...

I understand that some of the questions were raised as hypotheticals after known scumbags and criminals hopped in on the dogpile when they had no business doing so... and that the automatic response to anything Dave Lawson types is to play "find the proof that the tub of criminal misdeeds is lying again" but sometimes it needs to be understood that the intrusion of a known liar doesn't automatically mean that the position they're hyping is automatically right.

Evidence doesn't need to be analyzed in the supersleuth do-it-yourself-at-home crime lab unless one of the directly involved parties claims that it's being falsified... if everyone gets wrapped up in a discussion about the ways that "proof" can be manipulated, then the eventual realization is that it can ALL be faked to some degree and there's no reason for anyone to post any of it in the first place. Accepting it at face value unless it's blatantly been inexpertly tampered with OR until it's accused of being fradulent by someone involved is the only approach that'll keep everyone sane and any thread remotely on topic.

 

[Seamus Haley]

I understand that some of the questions were raised as hypotheticals after known scumbags and criminals hopped in on the dogpile when they had no business doing so... and that the automatic response to anything Dave Lawson types is to play "find the proof that the tub of criminal misdeeds is lying again" but sometimes it needs to be understood that the intrusion of a known liar doesn't automatically mean that the position they're hyping is automatically right.

Or automatically wrong... or automatically anything. Had to clarify that after reading the post.

Lawson is convicted scum who can't be trusted any further than he can be thrown (which isn't far based on his weight problems) but he's also just an uninvolved third party hopping into a thread to contribute his own brand of ignorant crap. I understand fully the immediate desire to assume that any position held by someone like Lawson is wrong but when he's simply adding his two cents (probably a stolen two cents that the courts would garnish to pay someone back if he wasn't lying about his income) to a thread, it's important to seperate his bullshit from the actual meat of an issue or the potentially valuable contributions of credible third parties.

Make any sense?

 

[Intense Herpetoculture]

That's funny Dave, Ally told me he shipped three shipments last year, one to me, one to Japan, and one to First Choice Reptiles. Pulling our leg huh?

Oh and Randy, I still get shipments from Ally.

 

[Dave Lawson]

LOL, If you say so.....