Pythonbreeder99
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Also, to Deobra, if you had "just bought a nicer one for less then that" then why were you interested in Randys animal?
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Bad Guy Randy Gonzalez AKA IRandy
- Thread starter deobra2869
- Start date
Show Me
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Deobra, I think your going to have to post a YouTube Video of yourself curled up in a ball crying while making a apology. LOL. But then again that's probably not good enough for them.
Willow
O.o
You know I'm sorry if there are topics in this world that hit a soft spot with me...or offend anyone...I guess making a "mistake" that can potentially ruin a good persons business reputation for no good reason what so ever is one of those topics that gets me pretty heated. I'm just a horrible person I know =)
You know I highly doubt this will ruin Randy...as he so far in his reputation has proven himself to be a pretty stand up guy....but again, that really isn't the point...people really should think what their actions can do to others peoples lives and businesses before they post Bad Guy threads that are unwarranted
They should also read the rules of the BOI...that's a mistake that easily could have been avoided.
And your correct Deobra....Randy is really the only person who needs to forgive you....which I'm sure he does, so good for you...If your apology was enough to satisfy him then all is well in your world....and hopefully all is well in his world and will stay that way despite Red Tag
You know I highly doubt this will ruin Randy...as he so far in his reputation has proven himself to be a pretty stand up guy....but again, that really isn't the point...people really should think what their actions can do to others peoples lives and businesses before they post Bad Guy threads that are unwarranted
They should also read the rules of the BOI...that's a mistake that easily could have been avoided.
And your correct Deobra....Randy is really the only person who needs to forgive you....which I'm sure he does, so good for you...If your apology was enough to satisfy him then all is well in your world....and hopefully all is well in his world and will stay that way despite Red Tag
zzzdanz
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So the OP has spoken with Randy about this,Randy apparently accepts the appologies of the OP, but that's not enough for a certain few.
Those certain few will just kick someone when they're down to make themselves feel better or something, showing their own CHARACTER or lack of.
Those certain few will just kick someone when they're down to make themselves feel better or something, showing their own CHARACTER or lack of.
ed hummel
ive got balls
willow does have a point because this in all likelihood will cause randy to lose some sales. if you come here looking to buy what he is selling and 3 others are also selling the same thing and and his name comes up with a red x and others come up with a green check, ive a feeling other then out of curiosity of why hes a bad guy people will go straight for the green guys to make the purchase.
hopefully deb has learned about pulling the trigger to quickly, time will tell, but ive a feeling this will cost her in the long run as well if she plans on becoming a seller. a lose lose situation all around.
hopefully deb has learned about pulling the trigger to quickly, time will tell, but ive a feeling this will cost her in the long run as well if she plans on becoming a seller. a lose lose situation all around.
KelliH
doesn't drink the koolaid
You might feel differently if you were the subject of this Bad Guy thread.
deobra2869
Well-known member
thank you to all who have seen the sincerity that I have tried to show about the situation. Show me you may be right..... but unfortunately I do not have a camcorder LOL nor would I know how to post a video on you tube. I do feel that some people do like to continuously criticize people when they make mistakes and kick them while they are down. Some people simply cant just accept that other people are little less than perfect like "themselves" and are capable of making mistakes. I am sure that people who view this thread will see I apologized and will read the good points I did say about randy and realize that I just made a mistake and went about it the wrong way....... the people who also view this thread will see the hostility that some people bring on those who realize there mistakes. They will see exactly what you zzzdanz said that certain people just like to kick you while your down thus bringing up the thought of "if they did this to that person, then I can imagine how they are to deal with" and that goes for myself as well. However I am aware of my mistakes and did admit to them so I guess people can judge me on my willingness to learn from bad choices and try to use those experiences to better myself and future experiences people may have with me as they may choose to. If I stumbled across a thread such as this that didnt involve my self or randy or anybody on here and saw that a person made a mistake and apologized repeatedly for it I would think "ok this is a bad situation but that person knows what they have done and has apologized and has hopefully learned there lesson" and left it at that but in further of reading the thread seeing the bad bashes after an apology by other people on the thread I would most likely..... no not most likely I would judge not only the person who made the mistake but also the person or people who just cant let it go and feel like there pride is riding on beating the person down for making a mistake. It does show character on those "peoples" behalf, causing a negative thought in my head or perhaps other peoples head about that particular type of person. Which will ultimately cause people to not want to deal with "me" or whoever posted the thread, but also cause them to not want to deal with you. I am sure that people can agree to that on here
Show Me
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No, I would feel the same. I use to be a dog breeder and have dealt with many kinds of situations. I have had someone complain on a forum about me, they realized they were in the wrong and apologized to me. The situation was almost identical to this one. I wasn't happy about what they did but I accepted there apology and even became friends with them!!! I didn't hurt my business in the less bit in fact the lady that complained started recommending me to others!
PAVLOVK1025
I'll hurt your feelings..
As one of your harshest critics, I don't need to further kick you. I agree that after the initial volley, everything that can be said gets said usually, and anything further is usually overboard.
That said, I think this thread stands as a great example as to how passionate people are over the ethics of being a customer or breeder.
I don't hate or dislike or have neg feelings towards Deobra.( now that I've calmed down anyway) I just know that it takes a lot to build a rep....most of us are still building one. It's hard to make a good name for yourself and very easy to have someone tarnish your rep over nothing.
For all future posters, and as a lesson for Deobra, think about your post before you ever click submit...there's more consequences than you might have considered.
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That said, I think this thread stands as a great example as to how passionate people are over the ethics of being a customer or breeder.
I don't hate or dislike or have neg feelings towards Deobra.( now that I've calmed down anyway) I just know that it takes a lot to build a rep....most of us are still building one. It's hard to make a good name for yourself and very easy to have someone tarnish your rep over nothing.
For all future posters, and as a lesson for Deobra, think about your post before you ever click submit...there's more consequences than you might have considered.
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dragonluver83
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I dunno, I have noticed people are very good judges for themselves. As everyone went right after the op when she posted.
Losing sales? I dunno about that either. Most people arent going to see a red "X" and say i dont want to even read it, I dont want to buy from him. If a customer said that, maybe its better they walk. Customers that dont want to read a thread may not want to read TOS. We all know where that leads.
The red "X" draws people in , right? Once they read the ridiculous original post. Then read that this guy has a good rep...... This may have turned into a HIGHLY viewing good guy thread because of a red "X".
IMO i have seen threads like these and its on good for the seller. Maybe Im looking at it wrong
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Has everyone noticed that Randy has treated this whole thing very professionally?!!! He excepted her apology and moved on. Very classy if you ask me.
deobra2869
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It is and all this experience has showed me that..... I was truly wrong for jumping to conclusions about him. And yes I do feel this thread could turn into a good guy sort of thread. He has shown me respect...... THE ONE WHO WAS QUICK TO JUDGE HIM!!! He has shown me that he is professional and would have most likely been somebody I would love to do business with, doubting I will get the chance..... but maybe? Who knows? He has turned out to be a great guy and in all honesty I have gained ALOT OF RESPECT FOR HIM. This situation may turn out to be one of those situations in a previous post where the quick judger actually refers people and brings sales up. Maybe we will do business? Maybe we will create a good business relationship from this...... maybe not it will all depend upon him, but if he chooses not to I understand perfectly. As far as I am concerned Randy the "victim" has showed more mercy and more respect towards the situation (giving the circumstances it has put him under) than anybody who has posted to this thread, with some exceptions. It has really changed my whole outlook on how I judge people, or that I shouldnt. Randy has proven to be an amazing person and I do hope that this dumb
mistake of a bad guy thread does turn out to be a good guy thread. Now I know I must try to gain your respect or trust back Randy and that there is a possibility that you can lose or gain sales from this, but I hope anybody who does read this....... reads all of it, and any inquiries about you...... I will be the first on it to post that you are indeed a respected professional reptile keeper/seller in the future. Sorry for the hardship I have caused you and others.
mistake of a bad guy thread does turn out to be a good guy thread. Now I know I must try to gain your respect or trust back Randy and that there is a possibility that you can lose or gain sales from this, but I hope anybody who does read this....... reads all of it, and any inquiries about you...... I will be the first on it to post that you are indeed a respected professional reptile keeper/seller in the future. Sorry for the hardship I have caused you and others.
ed hummel
ive got balls
I dunno, I have noticed people are very good judges for themselves. As everyone went right after the op when she posted.
Losing sales? I dunno about that either. Most people arent going to see a red "X" and say i dont want to even read it, I dont want to buy from him. If a customer said that, maybe its better they walk. Customers that dont want to read a thread may not want to read TOS. We all know where that leads.
The red "X" draws people in , right? Once they read the ridiculous original post. Then read that this guy has a good rep...... This may have turned into a HIGHLY viewing good guy thread because of a red "X".
IMO i have seen threads like these and its on good for the seller. Maybe Im looking at it wrong
i guess we'll never really know unless someone comes in and states they purchased/didnt purchase from randy after seeing this thread.
reticguy76
Well-known member
I think many people forgive you. Forgiveness is a key trait in life to have and the ability to move past things.
10 pages summed up: op started thread apparently unknowing of rules and basic ethics of the boi. She was called out on it, by numerous people. She realized she was wrong and has apologized publically as well as to the subject of this thread. Should she have thought and read about the boi and how/what to post or start a thread, of course. But she is a human being and is very capable of making mistakes and realizing them and trying to rectify them.
I'm in no way sticking up for her for her post and how she did it, it was wrong and not thought out at all. However, she seems genuine in her apology and realization to try ans correct it as best she can
10 pages summed up: op started thread apparently unknowing of rules and basic ethics of the boi. She was called out on it, by numerous people. She realized she was wrong and has apologized publically as well as to the subject of this thread. Should she have thought and read about the boi and how/what to post or start a thread, of course. But she is a human being and is very capable of making mistakes and realizing them and trying to rectify them.
I'm in no way sticking up for her for her post and how she did it, it was wrong and not thought out at all. However, she seems genuine in her apology and realization to try ans correct it as best she can
RobNJ
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I personally think that this is a case of posting without thinking on the OP's part, and believe it should be forgiven. I also believe she would benefit greatly from stern, yet kind advice from those who have been in the hobby for longer. It remains to be seen whether this behavior continues, and if/when she repeats...then we see pattern behavior and she'll have opened herself up to harsh criticism. Bad buyer??? Probably, but more likely due to inexperience than anything else. I'm sure most or all of us at some point have been a bad buyer.
That being said, Deobrah, I believe the most damaging statements in your opening post were not about Randy being uncooperative, rude, etc...which he clearly wasn't. In my eyes, the most damaging thing you posted was 3rd party hearsay about kinked babies and wild caught snakes. You cannot undo such statements, and even though Randy is not at all in the wrong in this situation, people are going to question the origin and health of the snakes he is selling. Although those statements were neither confirmed or disproven, you potentially opened up an entirely new can of worms that will be engraved into any potential new customer's mind upon reading this. As Harald subtley indicated a few pages back, statements like that should never be made unless you are ready and willing to back them up.
That being said, Deobrah, I believe the most damaging statements in your opening post were not about Randy being uncooperative, rude, etc...which he clearly wasn't. In my eyes, the most damaging thing you posted was 3rd party hearsay about kinked babies and wild caught snakes. You cannot undo such statements, and even though Randy is not at all in the wrong in this situation, people are going to question the origin and health of the snakes he is selling. Although those statements were neither confirmed or disproven, you potentially opened up an entirely new can of worms that will be engraved into any potential new customer's mind upon reading this. As Harald subtley indicated a few pages back, statements like that should never be made unless you are ready and willing to back them up.
deobra2869
Well-known member
I agree but this was my mistake and I was quick to judge, it is my hole I dug and I do not wish to bring others into the hole I created with me. I did tell harold that I will not publically post who the PMs were from I can post them but will however remove there names..... which ultimately in my mind will not prove anything. It can easily be judged that I made the pms up and I have thought about that fact (go figure I am actually thinking before I bring someone down). so how would I post while still protecting those peoples identity?
Willow
O.o
No above mentioned PMs are from me...just to make sure no one thinks I'm harassing Deobra in PMs or anything =) I'm not THAT bad lol
deobra2869
Well-known member
no none of the PMs are from you, I will not lie to try to make you look bad. They were not harassing PMs and the only one that I felt was, actually made apparent that he did Pm me in previous threads. They were just people who were trying to inform me of things they had acquired knowledge of some how, and thought they would bring it to a potential buyers attention. I dont think they noticed how new I was to this and that I could possibly take the information in a bad way or good way. But all in all its over hope I have at least made some things a little bit better as far as my mistake goes. goodnight
bobtard
Rishadan Geckos
If you think I was harassing you, feel free to post the PM for others to read.
bobtard
Rishadan Geckos
Don't stress, I'll do it for you.
bobtard said:You weren't just "asking for pics", you were bragging about how you got a "nicer one for nearly half the price", insulting his animal and his asking price.
Classy.
If he doesn't want to sell it for what you want to pay, deal with it, stop asking.
PS: Thanks for the karma!