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For Sale Rare Hypo Type Asian Turtle Appears To Be Female.

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She is light compared to the dozen's brought in every month. She's a LTC chowing down frozen silver slides, feeder fish and crayfish. I'm asking $200.00 shipped.

Serious inquiries only please. Thank you...

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Does it matter? If so, why? The animal is lighter than most of its market-mates. I think this species is a nice type of softshell to keep. Very manageable size for the adults. Relatively hardy once stabilized.
 
nickolasanastasiou said:
Does it matter? If so, why? The animal is lighter than most of its market-mates. I think this species is a nice type of softshell to keep. Very manageable size for the adults. Relatively hardy once stabilized.
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Agreed. If I ever decide to sell anything here, you can pretty much guarantee I'll be shutting down the comments on all my adds(heard you can do that) for this exact reason. Who wants this kind of crap when you're trying to sell something?
 
Because the guy bought normal Pelodiscus spp. In China town for x dollars a pound, saw one was a little lighter, and is trying to pass it off as a morph. It's normal. There's nothing special about it. These things are sold in food markets, where they're kept on ice, and pretty much never survive...so yes, it all matters. If anyone wants one of these, drive to your nearest China town, and pay less that $20 each. I bought 2 pairs in January for $60. They did great for a month, and one by one they died. This is the story of China town Pelodiscus, and everyone tells a similar one.
 
justatwinturbo said:
Because the guy bought normal Pelodiscus spp. In China town for x dollars a pound, saw one was a little lighter, and is trying to pass it off as a morph. It's normal. There's nothing special about it. These things are sold in food markets, where they're kept on ice, and pretty much never survive...so yes, it all matters. If anyone wants one of these, drive to your nearest China town, and pay less that $20 each. I bought 2 pairs in January for $60. They did great for a month, and one by one they died. This is the story of China town Pelodiscus, and everyone tells a similar one.
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Yes and no.

It is lighter than other normals. By definition, it has less melanin or a different form of melanin. Hence "hypo type" is not entirely out of line as a descriptor. I would have just called it lighter in shade than others in its general company. Is it heritable? I cannot say. I doubt it. Do I care? Not so much in the face of countless pastels and non-heritable "hypo" animals that are sold in RES and CST arenas for relative premiums. Parallels without arm-raising exist in other turtle contexts.

In the markets I have visited, they are kept in a live tank (sometimes with and sometimes beside bullfrogs) and not on ice, although many have fungal issues and most not eaten do indeed die. Everyone includes me and the story I have to tell is not quite what you have described (kept on ice).
 
justatwinturbo said:
Because the guy bought normal Pelodiscus spp. In China town for x dollars a pound, saw one was a little lighter, and is trying to pass it off as a morph. It's normal. There's nothing special about it. These things are sold in food markets, where they're kept on ice, and pretty much never survive...so yes, it all matters. If anyone wants one of these, drive to your nearest China town, and pay less that $20 each. I bought 2 pairs in January for $60. They did great for a month, and one by one they died. This is the story of China town Pelodiscus, and everyone tells a similar one.
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I personally have no idea what comes in the china town markets, but that doesn't matter. It's CLEARLY not "normal". Let me school you on where many of the blood python and retic morphs come from. They come from the people who skin them. Does that mean just because they made it to that market they must be a "normal"? I know people that picked through "normal" ball pythons and found morphs that made them hundreds of thousands. They'd be "normals" according to you. Now whether or not it's going to live, that's a whole different story. You seem to be an expert on that. I'm sure you've bought many from there and tried to save them. :rolleyes:
 
I have bought many light ones like this, I have bought dark ones that turn light like this. It's not due to being a hypo type, there's other factors going on.

So you've bought plenty of these, and kept them alive with no issues?
 
justatwinturbo said:
I have bought many light ones like this, I have bought dark ones that turn light like this. It's not due to being a hypo type, there's other factors going on.

So you've bought plenty of these, and kept them alive with no issues?
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I'm fairly certain you've bought hundreds just like it. I'm sure they're everywhere in the markets just like this. That's why you have many pics to show us. :rolleyes:

I've never bought one and have no idea whether or not it will live. You can't say that for certain either. Let the guy sell his turtle. Anyone that buys it has now been made well aware of the risk by your expertise. :rolleyes:

I will give you this much though. I'm not an expert on these(never claimed to be), and you might know better than me whether or not temperature(the one is much warmer) could play a role in the color difference. I could see that as a possibility.
 
justatwinturbo said:
I have bought many light ones like this, I have bought dark ones that turn light like this. It's not due to being a hypo type, there's other factors going on.

So you've bought plenty of these, and kept them alive with no issues?
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No dispute from me that there could be other factors involved.

If you are asking me, I have adjusted some. Not many/plenty. Just some. The girlfriend (now wife) at the time was crying when I went to pick up inexpensive frozen seafood, so my motivations were...assisted. Some died. Some lived. Those which lived did great and went to new homes.
 
JLreps said:
I'm fairly certain you've bought hundreds just like it. I'm sure they're everywhere in the markets just like this. That's why you have many pics to show us. :rolleyes:

I've never bought one and have no idea whether or not it will live. You can't say that for certain either. Let the guy sell his turtle. Anyone that buys it has now been made well aware of the risk by your expertise. :rolleyes:

I will give you this much though. I'm not an expert on these(never claimed to be), and you might know better than me whether or not temperature(the one is much warmer) could play a role in the color difference. I could see that as a possibility.
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Not hundreds, but I have enough experience to speak on the matter. China town is just 30 minutes away, and I do like to give some a chance at life, rather than being food. I've failed thus far, like many before me.

nickolasanastasiou said:
No dispute from me that there could be other factors involved.

If you are asking me, I have adjusted some. Not many/plenty. Just some. The girlfriend (now wife) at the time was crying when I went to pick up inexpensive frozen seafood, so my motivations were...assisted. Some died. Some lived. Those which lived did great and went to new homes.
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So you do have a similar story to tell, that's the story I meant. Though you are one of the few to keep them alive, which I can respect. Most are caught by hook, which probably explains why they fail to thrive.
 
One more thing. It makes a HUGE difference when and where you get an animal like this. I have no idea where you got yours, but the higher up the ladder you buy something, the better it's chances for survival. The seller has stated this animal is feeding and doing well. He/she may be at the top of the ladder. With any animal like this there is a risk it may die. A bigger risk than a cb animal. I have no idea what the market would be for hypo babies of this turtle, but I'm sure they're worth a couple bucks more than a normal.....and $200 is not much of a risk.

Now hopefully I'm done hijacking this thread. That was my main reason for posting.
 
Based solely on my experience, the turtle looks like it came straight from the market. That was part of the point from my post. If this turtle is indeed eating, please post a video..I'll be interested.
 
justatwinturbo said:
Based solely on my experience, the turtle looks like it came straight from the market. That was part of the point from my post. If this turtle is indeed eating, please post a video..I'll be interested.
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You could be right, but it could also come from the person who sells to the market. I think the reason for your post was because you felt like this guy was trying to get over on someone by selling a turtle that may have only cost him cost a few bucks for $200. You decided he shouldn't get away with it.

I don't think the seller was really trying to hide anything. I guess they could have stated if they were the importer or whether they work for Johhny Z's market. Like Nick originally said though. It doesn't matter. Value is ALWAYS determined by what someone is willing to pay. One man's trash is another man' s treasure. This totally reminds me of the people that complain about people selling "dinker" ball pythons. They think people are getting ripped off. Those are the people that will never find an "orange dream" and make many many thousands off a 10 dollar snake.

So now you may be interested huh? Come on. You're only stating that because I called you out for messing with this guys post.

Let me apologize to the mods and the seller. I don't plan on making a habit of this. It's always bothered me even before I signed up for Fauna when someone would do this to someone trying to make a sale.
 
I have no idea why I never said this to begin with. Probably because the reason for my post was not about whether or not the animal was in fact a morph. I'm now convinced(kinda) it is. Look at the clear nails. That's what you look at to determine a hypo bearded dragon. This animal has clear nails. Do the others have clear nails? They do not appear to have clear nails. This might be worth the risk all you turtle breeders. I want a free pair of hets. :)
 
I said if I see a video of it eating, I would be interested, never said I wouldn't be. Definitely not anywhere near the price, but there would be interest based on it eating. I don't care if he 'gets away with it'. People buy cheap sell high all the time. I care about the misrepresentation of the animal, and the likelihood that whoever buys it ends up with a dead turtle shortly after. Which.....so what for these people I don't know right? We should all just trust every seller's word, even if we can clearly see it's a lie. Seeing as you've got me all figured out now, you've taken me to school, broke me down psychologically, and caught me back tracking, what's left for you?
 
I think the claw color is relatively typical for the species, although I have only adjusted a limited number. I could be mistaken.
 
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