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Ravenclaw Ball Python - Leopard x Woma? Details inside.

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These were produced by Mark Martinek and all remain in his collection. He was kind enough to send me some updated photos of these lil beauties. He gave me the ok to share this story:

Leopard pied male was paired with a woma(ball python morph) female. Five eggs were laid and all 5 hatchlings came out like this. If they are indeed combos, then talk about hitting the odds! So for now, it is assumed that these are leopard womas, but with no leopard or woma siblings, it creates some grey area and cannot definitively be labeled as such. He is going to figure it out w/future breeding.

First pic is their hatchling photo.
Other three pics are current.

I think they're awesome and unique. Feel free to give feedback and I'll forward it to Mark. He's curious to find out what people think about this combo and seeks opinions regarding what folks think about them.
 

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WOW thats all i have to say almost look like desert spiders insane! Im sure they were very difficult to produce i would like to see what happens a couple years down the road with these guys. I know walls "woma/ball" combos have been produced but have they actually been paired back with each other or is it a one shot deal?
 
oskyle1567 said:
WOW thats all i have to say almost look like desert spiders insane! Im sure they were very difficult to produce i would like to see what happens a couple years down the road with these guys. I know walls "woma/ball" combos have been produced but have they actually been paired back with each other or is it a one shot deal?
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I should have clarified. It was a woma(morph) ball python, not a woma python.
 
Holy crap thats insane!!!!!!! I would have a heart attack if I saw something like that popping out of my eggs!

Can we get pics of the parents?
 
wow,, they are some wild snakes with nice pattern and color,, i wonder what the supers would look like if no problems in the woma side which can happen,,, or just add some other pattern snakes and keep the super and issues away,,, add enchi, fire or yb and that snake would be smoking hot....good luck....
 
I want....

Those are Insane looking! Oh please let him pair one to a super pastel, lesser, or calico!

Just imagine what these lil guys and gals will look like
 
Well they are clearly not "just" Leopards or Womas, and if that was the pairing I would assume they are Leopard Woma's. He definitely hit a home run with the odds and they are wicked nice. I have some Leopard stuff I am working on, I think Woma just got added into that equation. :) Super nice!
 
I agree. I think he just nailed amazing odds. Either way, I hope to help Mark confirm this combo next season ;) If you don't already have woma(s) they are super cheap. There's a 3gene woma out there for like $700ish. Not much attention given to the poor womas hehe.
 
snakejems said:
i wonder what the supers would look like if no problems in the woma side which can happen,,, or just add some other pattern snakes and keep the super and issues away
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Wrong Woma Mark, woma's are a dominate trait, the woma super issue comes with hidden gene womas ;)

Those are awesome Bo, they definitely look like woma leopards or what I would imagine the combo to look like.
Good luck to Mark and you, that's an exciting project
 
WOW!!! My brain hurts trying to defy the odds like that! It just seems it must be homozygous or something! Or the het pied gene is messing with the woma or leopard? WOW!
Did I say WOW?

Congrats to him! This is where I hate having the patience required to wait and see what proves out! lol.
 
Hi All

Thank you for all the kind words, it sure helps me to keep a smile going when cleaning an endless supply of dirty cages. We will see what happens with this group, going to take a few years for me to be able to determine with any level of certainty what exactly is going on here. Snaketime is just about the slowest time on earth, but its gives us all in this sport bigger patience muscles than anybody. Fishermen have nothing on us.

Thanks Again for the interest and support, it is much appreciated.

Cheers!

Mark Martinek
 
I'm an impatient fisherman, too...That's why I flyfish the streams. FISH ON! haha

A good big fish isn't near as exciting as odds like that, though! Has that sire bred before?
 
Ive seen them on snake preview already, but, I always have to pause on their pic as they are just amazing! Im really happy to see updated pics of them. :) Since het pieds can have 'pied markers' Ive been wondering if this could have some affect on the pattern or if ANY woma bp/leopard bp cross would always end up looking this nice...? Would be something interesting to find out. No matter what though, they are probably the best woma (non-hg) combo I have seen thus far and I cant wait to see how they look with morphs in the mix. :)
 
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