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Red Flag On Matt Haase

Cheryl was overzealous with her initial post, I can agree with that. But let me turn the issue around and look at it from another perspective. Most sellers in this site have agreed in the past that an animal is not considered sold until they receive payment (that statement is even posted in their TOS). In simple terms and unless there is a deposit upfront, they are under no obligation to reserve an animal if the money never exchanged hands. Carrier and method of payment are among the main questions I ask before committing to a purchase. Was Cheryl under the obligation to buy before even without knowing what carrier was going to be used or what payment method was acceptable? Just food for thought.
 
That sentence should read:

Was Cheryl under the obligation to buy before even knowing what carrier was going to be used or what payment method was acceptable? Just food for thought.
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Boy, how would I like to be able to edit after posting!

Regards.
 
The BoidSmith said:
Cheryl was overzealous with her initial post, I can agree with that. But let me turn the issue around and look at it from another perspective. Most sellers in this site have agreed in the past that an animal is not considered sold until they receive payment (that statement is even posted in their TOS). In simple terms and unless there is a deposit upfront, they are under no obligation to reserve an animal if the money never exchanged hands. Carrier and method of payment are among the main questions I ask before committing to a purchase. Was Cheryl under the obligation to buy before even without knowing what carrier was going to be used or what payment method was acceptable? Just food for thought.
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Valid point. I would have had the info before I said I would take them.

I do believe the initial point was that she presented herself in the response back to him that she was ready to purchase and asked for the shipping quote. When he responded she accused him of wrong doing in her initial post
Red flag number 1
SableLynx said:
The things that flagged for me were; 1) his hurry to move them.
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Now, if he would have responded with

I am sending them regular mail you will receive them maybe 5 or 6 days. I would say that would be cause to post and not purchase.

I will say at this time the deal should not continue no matter. I have a feeling there would be a face saving post about their condition that would follow. Even though he already stated they came from a local pet shop.
 
Dennis Hultman said:
Valid point. I would have had the info before I said I would take them.

I do believe the initial point was that she presented herself in the response back to him that she was ready to purchase and asked for the shipping quote. When he responded she accused him of wrong doing in her initial post
Red flag number 1

Now, if he would have responded with

I am sending them regular mail you will receive them maybe 5 or 6 days. I would say that would be cause to post and not purchase.

I will say at this time the deal should not continue no matter. I have a feeling there would be a face saving post about their condition that would follow. Even though he already stated they came from a local pet shop.
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And I agree, it would not be a done deal with me if I was the seller until I received payment.
 
You still don't get it Cheryl

SableLynx said:
I apologized for what I accept I did wrong and clarified to the best of my ability the reason behind the post.



Since the apology is not for you, I am not concerned as to weather you accept it or not. You are absolutly right I did not state I was wrong for posting the thread, and I do not believe I was.



Just because there are "bigger" issues does not mean we should not address the others. If that were the case would the BOI even exist. There are certainly bigger issues out there than anything thats ever posted here.



As far as the thread ending, Well I won't make a special trip to check how it's going, but I have no problem responding either. This thread has certainly spiraled way beyond what I intended to accomplish.

I invited Matt to respond in anyway he sees fit. The rest of you that feel the need, go ahead and post. I will respond as I see fit.

So I'm wrong no matter what I do and there are plenty of David Scarboro's out there to keep it alive. I stand where I stand and you are not going to be able to change that. All we will be doing now is running around in senseless circles. I will continue to restate all I have already stated if you desire me to do so.

My moral values and standards will not be lowered. I do believe that another title to this thread would have stated my intentions better. That does not change what my intentions were. Hey people i am not the one attacking here. I have already stated several times that I concede it to be a mistake on his part. Still worthy of note in my opinion.


Thank you for your opinion. Isn't it great to live in a free country where we are entitled to them? (Now there is a bigger issue for you.)
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You "apologized" for putting the wrong title on a thread that should have never been started. There are bigger isssues, this was a non issue. You can't start a thread flaming someone, and then ask for it to end when general concensus has determined that you are at fault. I didn't know that there are more David Scarboro's here! (You guys should introduce yourselves) You, (in spite of what you say above), did come here on the attack, Now you have "moral values and standards" Too bad you forgot the high road when you started this!
 
Sure seems to be to many threads like this lately. Threads that should never have been started.

Cheryl Starts this thread and when it's pointed out to her that it's pretty much a BS reason to post she comes back with well I was mainly concerned with how they were being kept and that such youngsters are being allowed to breed. Now if I remember correctly Matt said he had just recently received them and was trying to get them turned around. So is it not a good possibility that the darn things bred before he got them Cheryl? He's trying to find them a home and from what has been said here selling them at a very fair price! If you were so concerned for their welfare you should have taken them but then you were planing on turning them around yourself were you not?

Cheryl you owe the guy an apology plain and simple, as has been pointed out on this forum many times. What you say here will be here for all to read for a long time. When someone wants to check your reputation and they run a search on your name or business this thread will come up. At best your comments here look petty so why not try to make it better by doing the right thing.
Randy
 
Cheryl.... I know what you MEANT.... but, this is what you WROTE!! (make sure you read the 4th word from the end VERY CAREFULLY).... Freud would have a field day with that one....

I obviously flubbed up with this title. "Raised eyebrows" would have defiantly been more appropriate."

Neil
 
I am Sorry for starting this post
Matt, This is for you and you only. I was very wrong to post this here. I did it because I care for the animals. No other reason. I should have questioned you more thoroughly in private and not posted here. I still believe what happened was wrong.
There is only so much I can do when six unexpected Leos are shipped in as part of a trade, and pairing them up in the only available cages until re-sale, was the best option I had. Yes, I am guilty of not going all out, buying six 30 gal tanks, tons of gecko food, a gecko care book, a scale to weigh them, and every piece of info on them possible? Please be realistic, Cheryl, in this case. You made a deal, backed out on it because of my lack of knowledge of geckos, accused me of intentionally breeding young Leos, and then hammered me on a BOI forum, that’s just unfair. These geckos were unexpected, so I did the best for them by trying to find them a good home
Matt Haase
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This post is what convinced me I am wrong. Matt again I humbly apologize. I needed to question you and find this out before I posted. Had I done that I would not have posted but advised you privately on what I felt had been done wrong and why.

At the price I am sure you already moved them, if not and if you are willing I will follow through with the purchase. All I ask is that in the future you immediately research the care of any animal you find unexpectedly in your care to prevent this type thing from happening.

Matt I hope you can understand why I did this and accept my apology for not handling this well at all. If you can not forgive me I will understand. Please reread all my posts. I did not say you were a "Bad guy" or intend to ruin your reputation. I was just concerned over what happened with these Leos. I am overzealous at times. It is only because I have such a deep love for all animals. I hope that does not make me evil.

I have learned from this and in the future will question actions I disagree with more in-depth to find out why things happened. I will not stop caring about the animals.

As for the rest of you, Some of you will see this as the sincere apology I am making, others will believe I am doing it only because you badgered me into it. Matt's explanation of what happened was a good one. I messed up big by not following through in private on this issue before posting. I am admitting to being wrong because I am wrong. Simple as that. So those of you that are going to continue go ahead. It's your turn.
 
Sounds Good!

to me Cheryl. I say things all the time that I would love to take back. I know that you are making the post to Matt, so you could say that it's not my business...
 
David Scarboro said:
to me Cheryl. I say things all the time that I would love to take back. I know that you are making the post to Matt, so you could say that it's not my business...
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Man, I'm glad *I* have never had that problem.... lmao

CHERYL.... That worked for me!!.... Next time, take a step back, first....

Neil
 
"I am Sorry for starting this post
Matt, This is for you and you only. I was very wrong to post this here. I did it because I care for the animals. No other reason. I should have questioned you more thoroughly in private and not posted here. I still believe what happened was wrong. "

Well it only took 10 pages to figure it out for you, but I guess its better late than never... However, your last sentence leaves me a little confussed. What exactly do you mean by it?
 
Nothing else needs to be said relating to this incident, but I would like to address something somewhat off-topic, yet relating to this thread.
That is, as a south paw (left hander) the blatant discrimination my fellow BOI'ers have against me, and I quote...
pch101 said:
half-assed left-handed apology
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and
David Scarboro said:
That's what I call a left handed apology
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when will it end?..................... :D
 
You are right John. I am Sorry for making such an insensitive comment. Also to all of the half assed people out there, I also apologize. After all, half an ass is better than no ass at all.
 
pch101 said:
Well it only took 10 pages to figure it out for you, but I guess its better late than never... However, your last sentence leaves me a little confussed. What exactly do you mean by it?
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Are you referring to the last sentence in my post or in the portion you quoted? The answers to your question would be very different for each possibility.
 
:>off_to<: I am going to be unavailable for a few days. I will try to respond as necessary when I return. Probably Sun night, late. I just don't want anyone asking questions then thinking I am deliberately not responding.
 
Sorry John...

reptilebreeder said:
Nothing else needs to be said relating to this incident, but I would like to address something somewhat off-topic, yet relating to this thread.
That is, as a south paw (left hander) the blatant discrimination my fellow BOI'ers have against me, and I quote... and when will it end?..................... :D
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I will starting Sensitivity Classes tomorrow!
:>off_to<:
 
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