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Redneck Reptiles in Nv???

It seems misunderstandings happen too easily these days, I for one am quilty of doing so. Of course with a lot of money involved on both ends I can see how one feels ripped off and the other does not want to lose his collection. We can all learn from this as it has happened several times now as we have read on other threads.
 
I will be at NARBC in Anaheim the whole weekend, so I will be checking out this vendor and will hopefully have some good to report on this thread and another one.
 
Wow sending over $2500 to someone you dont know or havent researched is very trusting to say the least
Please dont take this the wrong way but you have bigger balls than me
I hope it all works out for you
 
Here's what I find slightly amazing:

I've never done business with the guy, but this guys available list rivals some of the big boys (VPI/Nerd/RDR/etc)...and pinstripe and yellow belly siblings for $500 and $300 a pair? What's up with that? Also "Albino 50% Het Paradox"...did I miss something? Last time I checked no one has proven paradox to be genetic in ball pythons.

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Captive Bred 2005

100% Het Lavender Albino $7,500 pair or males $2,500 each

100% Het Albino 50% Het Paradox $1,000 pair or males $200 each

Albino 50% Het Paradox (nice pair left) $8,000 pair or $5,000 each

50% Het Albino $300 pair or $50 males each

Albino (one female left) $2,500 each

50% Het Hypo Males only $50 each

Spider 50% Het Hypo (only 1 female left) $4,500

Yellow Belly Siblings $300 pair or $50 males

Tequila Siblings males only $50 each

Tequila (new line of het ivories) $15,000 pair or $5,000 males

Pinstripe Siblings $500 pair or $100 males

Spider Het Lavender Albino $50,000 pair or $30,000 each

Albino Spider (only one male left) $25,000

Spider 50% Het Albino (females only) $4,500 each

Double Het lavender Albino Clowns $25,000 Pair only

Pastels Males $750 each & Females $1,500 each

50% Double Het VPI Snow $2,500 pair or males $100 each

Albino 100% Het VPI Snow (one female) $10,000

Cinnamin Pastel RDR Line (one male) $10,000

Pastel 100% Het Piebald (one pair available, and they are awesome) $25,000 pair or $15,000 each


Captive Bred 2004 and Older

Lesser (one male left) $30,000

Pastel (one female left) $2,500

Normal (a couple of males) $50 each

Double Het VPI Snows (2 males, one from Ralph Davis & one from Brian Sharp, both proven breeders) $2,500 each

Stonewashed Pastel (Ruppel Line) $3,000 each
 
As I said before that is some collection! Maybe they sold a house to acquire such animals. I too am unsure about the paradox, but they do have a lot of pythons on their website. Hopefully they are legit, own them all, and advertise honestly.
 
Maybe they sold a house to acquire such animals.
I'd have to sell way more than my house to buy that collection... :rofl:

I'm wondering if the thread starter would provide an update to verify that the refund was received. I'd like to know that all was resolved.
 
Redneck Reptiles.. Myles McDougal

I had a high dollar trade in the works with Myles then stumbled across this thread. I started having second thoughts about going through with it. Once I read the thread that Ken posted I started feeling better about the deal. I decided to call Myles and talk to him. He explained his side and it was just as Ken had posted. He also said he refunded Joe's money, however Joe has not come here to confirm it. I decided to go through with the deal. I shipped yesterday morning and Myles shipped yesterday evening. Well today I received my Spider p/h albino from Myles and could not be happier. I want to thank Ken for posting his findings here or I would have missed this deal. I also want to thank Myles for doing the trade with me. I was only looking for a Spider but Myles offered one that was also 50% het albino. I just thought it was fair that I add my positive experience to this thread. While I understand Joe's concern I don't understand why he doesn't come here and set things right. I WILL definitely do business with Myles again should an opportunity arise. Ron Radloff
 
I have settled everything with Myles, and YES I did get my refund from him. After our ordeal, I admit I was quick to jump the gun about posting here. The initial intent was to get contact info on Myles not to bad mouth him or his business.

I think there was a lot of confusion between Myles and myself throughout our situation. We have since settled everything.

With all of the potential scammers out there, I got scared when Myles got sidetracked and forgot to email me about not shipping the snake on the due date. After just getting ripped off a year ago, I was not real comfortable with that and asked for my money back. Myles said he used the money to buy more display cages, and didn't have any money to refund me. I thought he was just giving me the run-a-round. I also got nervous when he declined not the give me anymore contact info. But Ken brought out a good point...If you had the amount of animals Myles claimed to have, you wouldn't want anybody knowing where you live either. Myles and I both got hot headed torwards each other.

I am sorry for not getting back to this thread earlier to update everybody. I know believe Myles to be an honest person. He may not want to do business with me after this, but I think he is one of the honest people in this business and would refer anybody to do business with him. Unfortunately he and I had a bad misunderstanding that should have never been posted here.

If anybody has any questions....please email me!!! I hope this post makes sense. I'm tired...lol

Thank you,
Joe Russell
 
Joe.... I'm glad you were able to get your money back!!.... BUT....

JIM.... I don't know how YOU do business, but this statement of yours is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!...

Jim O said:
As long as Myles honestly represented the animal and planned to deliver it as promised then it was his money to spend.

The money is NOT his to spend UNTIL the animal is DELIVERED and ACCEPTED by the customer.... Just because he PLANNED to deliver it, doesn't mean it would arrive alive (stuff happens), or the customer would be happy with his purchase??.... what then if he already spent the money??....

Even though things ended up good in this situation, he spent the money TOO SOON!!....

Neil
 
Neil, you ought to consult a lawyer before you say such drivel. If he accepted funds in good faith the money is his to spend. If he went bankrupt after accepting said funds but before delivering the "merchandise", so long as it was accepted in good faith, guess what? He would be relieved of all obligation to repay it. That's the law, whether it is how you operate your business or not. Ethically there may be an issue (in fact I would agree that there is), but legally there is not. Having read through your history, you are about the last one to be commenting on ethics though, don't you think?

When you return something to a store for a refund, there is often a wait of 30 days. Why? Because they are using the money for their current cash needs. Irritating? Yes. Illegal? No. Heck, AT&T, which I have not used in years, keeps sending me a "bill" acknowledging that they owe me $3.16 but they won't issue a refund. Too small they say. The credit will be there *when* I use their service again. Could I sue them and win? Maybe. Would you spend $3 on a gallon of fuel to file the suit? Hardly.
 
Jim

I find myself in the unusual position of disagreeing with you. From a legal standpoint, I am sure you are correct. However, from a good business standpoint, it is never a smart move to spend money received until the deal is complete, no matter what the intention of the seller was, good or bad.

That is a precept I have adhered to since I started in this business. Always make sure you can make a quick refund. I have had to do it twice in the last tem years and a speedy refund saved the situation both times.

I have been on the other end as well and i will tell you that nothing has pissed me off more in this business than being told that i will have to wait to receive my money back because it has been spent.

Legally it is theirs on receipt.....ethically it is mone until I am satisfied with the transaction.
 
Suncoast Herpetological said:
Legally it is theirs on receipt.....ethically it is mone until I am satisfied with the transaction.
John,

This is what I said. I didn't say I would be happy about it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is what it is.

If I accept rent from a tenant on the first of the month and use it to pay the mortgage on the property and then the place burns down on the tenth I have thirty days to settle the account. I am well enough capitalized so that would never happen, but it would not be illegal. Similarly with a move out and a security deposit (with those, I generally settle it in one to two days, but there are some people that wait 29 days).
 
Laura Cox said:
I will be at NARBC in Anaheim the whole weekend, so I will be checking out this vendor and will hopefully have some good to report on this thread and another one.


Well, I just got back from set up at NARBC,and he really set me on my heels!! He look at my vendor badge and pointed "I've been looking for that badge all day........so do I have what I claim to have?" Not remembering what I had posted on him, I introduced myself and extended my hand and then got paged to go to the front.
I returned later and talked with him and his wife for nearly an hour and they really strike me as excellent folks!! They have beautiful animals and they are the real deal. If I were into ball morphs, I would defiantly do business with them.
 
I find myself in the unusual position of disagreeing with you. From a legal standpoint, I am sure you are correct. However, from a good business standpoint, it is never a smart move to spend money received until the deal is complete, no matter what the intention of the seller was, good or bad.

That is a precept I have adhered to since I started in this business. Always make sure you can make a quick refund. I have had to do it twice in the last tem years and a speedy refund saved the situation both times.

John makes a good point. That’s one of the main problems in which businesses (or families for that matter) run every now and then. They fail to calculate an adequate “cash-flow” for those times of the year when less money is flowing in or to cover the “unexpected”. In the case of a reptile sale the refund should be there promptly. You are not going to a store to return and item only to be told that they’ll take it back but they’ll refund you once they have the money. You can spend all the money you want provided you have left for conducting normal business. That includes paying the fixed an variable costs as well as any unexpected bills that might arise. The problem is that for too many people this is not a business is a “bussinobby”. Although they try to portray themselves as solvent they are not. They usually sell an animal because they want to buy another one, and they need the money now now! In my opinion even if you do this as a hobby you need to act responsibly with those that buy from you. That includes having enough cash to back you-up in the event something goes wrong.
 
The BoidSmith said:
John makes a good point. That’s one of the main problems in which businesses (or families for that matter) run every now and then. They fail to calculate an adequate “cash-flow” for those times of the year when less money is flowing in or to cover the “unexpected”. In the case of a reptile sale the refund should be there promptly. You are not going to a store to return and item only to be told that they’ll take it back but they’ll refund you once they have the money. You can spend all the money you want provided you have left for conducting normal business. That includes paying the fixed an variable costs as well as any unexpected bills that might arise. The problem is that for too many people this is not a business is a “bussinobby”. Although they try to portray themselves as solvent they are not. They usually sell an animal because they want to buy another one, and they need the money now now! In my opinion even if you do this as a hobby you need to act responsibly with those that buy from you. That includes having enough cash to back you-up in the event something goes wrong.
Sadly, that is not how the real world is. Most people do not adhere to such lofty standards. You can choose to not do business with such individuals, but most "young" businesses are thinly capitalized. Now if he spent the money on a piece of jewelry or a new boat there would be an issue. But what if his air conditioning went and he needed $3000 to keep his collection from dying? Would you let your $100,000 worth of snakes die in case someone needed a refund on a snake you planned to ship (but forgot because you were busy getting a guy to fix your AC in Nevada in August)? Or maybe he was brokering the animal on credit and paid for it because he (thought) had sold it. We don't really know what happened. We only have Ken's word that he spent the money. It's easy to cast stones but businesses often use money from their current cash flow to fund current expenses. Do you think your bank has enough cash on hand should everyone decide to withdraw all of their money? Of course not. Most of it is invested in loans. If that happened that bank would be out of business.

To take this a step further, and analyzing this situation specifically, Myles could well have refused to issue a refund and said "I am truly sorry that I forgot to ship and I will ship at your convenience, but that animal is bought and paid for." And he would have been within his rights to do so. After all, he took the animal off of the market and may well have lost out on another potential sale. Instead, he offered to make it right by throwing in an extra animal. Had Joe accepted that offer, none of this would have come to light.

Again, there may well be an ethical problem with this (we do not know all of the circumstances), but to me this is business as usual in most of America. Refunds on "big ticket" items often take time. If you get a "lemon" of a brand new car and you turn it in on the "lemon law" you get your refund from the corporate office when they print the check. Why? Because the dealer no longer has the cash. He used it to pay off his loan and buy another vehicle to sell.

The fact that this does not happen often is a credit to the (mostly) honest people in this business/hobby. This guy's performance is way better than some of the scumbags out there who simply steal money, like Neil's buddy...what's his name again?
 
Again, there may well be an ethical problem with this (we do not know all of the circumstances), but to me this is business as usual in most of America.

Jim,

And I agree with you; that is business as usual. But regrettably, and in my line of work, that's the main reason why I see people going out of business on a monthly basis. They miscalculate their cash flows. I'm not talking here about imponderables such as an accident, hospital bill, car breakdown, etc. Those can happen to anyone. My point is the day-to-day expenses. Sometimes they spend the money because there are urgent expenses to be paid. But we have seen other instances where someone sells a snake, ships it, and before it even arrived to destination, he has wired that whole amount or even more as a down payment for another snake they want. That’s what I was referring to when I meant cash flow. Is it ethical to work with other people’s money? Well, as you said that’s what banks do, and as long as they have other money to back it up that’s OK. But unless there is a “run” due to an inflation scare, and everyone wants to withdraw their money at the same time, unless or you are Bill Gates and want to close your account, one should be able to withdraw the money with no problems at all. If anyone finds himself one day in a situation where his bank asks for a few days notice before giving your money back he’d better start thinking about changing to a different institution. The same goes for any reptile dealer. If I rightfully request my money back because something went wrong, I don’t expect to wait until they sell another snake to get my money back.

Regards
 
The BoidSmith said:
If anyone finds himself one day in a situation where his bank asks for a few days notice before giving your money back he’d better start thinking about changing to a different institution.
Maybe John can enlighten that, but banks can legally do this at times depending on the amounts involved and, I believe, the type of account and/or depositor. For instance, as I recall, and I may be wrong on this, you are allowed to terminate as certificate of deposit at a bank (with penalties of course) but the bank can require advance notice or put a hold on the funds for a period of time. But I agree that if you want to to withdraw $10,000 in cash, or even $100,000, and you are asked to wait, there is a problem.

Nevertheless, we still do not know all of the facts in this situation.
 
Jim O said:
Maybe John can enlighten that, but banks can legally do this at times depending on the amounts involved and, I believe, the type of account and/or depositor. For instance, as I recall, and I may be wrong on this, you are allowed to terminate as certificate of deposit at a bank (with penalties of course) but the bank can require advance notice or put a hold on the funds for a period of time. But I agree that if you want to to withdraw $10,000 in cash, or even $100,000, and you are asked to wait, there is a problem.

Nevertheless, we still do not know all of the facts in this situation.


Jim and Dan

The only impediment to drawing out cash from a bank would be if the amount was huge and literally exausted the bank's current on site cash. However, that would simply mean that they would issue you a cashiers check (guaranteed funds) for the remainder. Their is no conceivable situation in which a Bank would require prior notice or put a waiting period in place to withdraw cash.

The only possible situation where it would raise an eyebrow would be if the cash was deposited within the past several days. Money laundering would be a concern then. That really does not apply here

By the way, by Federal Regulation, any cash withdrawal in excess of $3,000 requires the Bank to get a form filled out by the customer and it is tracked. Any withdrawal over $10,000 is even better documented and is reported to the Fed automatically as a large cash transaction
 
Money laundering would be a concern then.

Yes, every now and then my wife complains because I forget a $1 dollar bill in my pants. :)
 
What ever happened to these guys? One year they were producing all kinds of morphs and combos and the next they are gone! If I remember correctly they even took deposits at half price for the following years offspring. I know this hasn't been touched in over 2 years. I'm wondering because I was one of the ones contemplating sending them some money but I didn't feel they had an established reputation.

Louie Chavez
 
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