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Inquiry REPTICON Show Series Exclusive Sponsorship Agreement with FL Chams

...and just to clarify, the upcoming Repticon show this month is not in Tampa it's in Palmetto/Manatee County, vaguely near Tampa Bay.

Well, that doesn't bode well...the flier I have shows that it's in Tampa! No matter, tho, it'll just take me a little longer to get there. My goal is just to take photos of the vendors' setups to post on here so others can get a look at what it actually is & decide for themselves if they wish to support Repticon shows in the future.
 
Repticon Tampa Bay Area

Well, that doesn't bode well...the flier I have shows that it's in Tampa!

The one I got in my mailbox says "Tampa Bay" (which is generic to the whole area) and then has the specific address of the Manatee Civic Center. Maybe it's one of those things locals presume others know - there's 3 counties bordering the bay with over 30 incorporated municipalities of which Tampa is only one. The Tampa Bay Rays (defending American League Champions and destroyer of RedSox and Yankees) actually play in St. Petersburg not Tampa. The "Big Chicago Reptile Show" is in Tinley Park, etc.
It appears Repticon is going to refer to this one April 18-19 as the South Tampa Bay show from now on to distinguish it from their show at the State Fairgrounds in June, actually in Tampa.
 
That's just wrong

The one I got in my mailbox says "Tampa Bay" (which is generic to the whole area) and then has the specific address of the Manatee Civic Center. Maybe it's one of those things locals presume others know - there's 3 counties bordering the bay with over 30 incorporated municipalities of which Tampa is only one...It appears Repticon is going to refer to this one April 18-19 as the South Tampa Bay show from now on to distinguish it from their show at the State Fairgrounds in June, actually in Tampa.

If it was at least in the same county, I could understand "South Tampa" if it was at least in Hillsborough Co. That's pretty lame if you ask me. Sounds like they're using the "Tampa" name as a means of drawing people to the show. If I'd known it wasn't Tampa when I requested the time off from work, I could've save myself a vacation day! The flier I have is a post card type deal & only says "Tampa Bay" - nothing about South Tampa. It doesn't even show one in June for Tampa.
After this one in "South Tampa," I can't say that I will be attending any more Repticon Shows, no matter where they are...:no01:
 
I don't think ppl who run shows should limit what ppl can bring to sell. (I mean legal animals) At the St. louis show theres a limit to one rodent vendor.

It would be great if that vendor actually brought rodents to sell but over the last 2 years he's gotten to where he hardly brings anything at all. For example at the last show, except for about 75 live fuzzy & pink mice he had no live mice or rats, and less than half a freezer of frozen and by noon he was sold out of frozen mice and small rats..

I have a friend who tried to get a table to sell his several hundred mice&rats and was turned away because of the prior deal with the rodent vendor.
 
I don't think ppl who run shows should limit what ppl can bring to sell.

Repticon is not limiting what vendors bring really... just more of saying no other vendor specializing in chameleons. It is my understanding that there are some shows they do with NO CHAM breeders at all. They just want to make sure there is a quality chameleon breeder at ALL the shows and not just the bigger ones.
 
It would be great if that vendor actually brought rodents to sell but over the last 2 years he's gotten to where he hardly brings anything at all. For example at the last show, except for about 75 live fuzzy & pink mice he had no live mice or rats, and less than half a freezer of frozen and by noon he was sold out of frozen mice and small rats..

I have a friend who tried to get a table to sell his several hundred mice&rats and was turned away because of the prior deal with the rodent vendor.

I don't know the specifics of that situation, but that might not be the fault of the current rodent vendor or Repticon. Some venues restrict the type of live feeders that can be sold. For example, one of the shows local to me can only offer unweaned rodents. Now that I think about it, I don't recall even seeing crickets there....but that might just be because I don't have bug eaters, so I don't pay attention.
 
Saturday at the Repticon

Well, I went to the show today. While there were others selling chameleons, FL Chams sure 'nuff was the only one selling only chams. Everyone else had other critters for sale as well. Personally, I don't see what the big deal was, they were set up to the left as soon as you walk in the door, but didn't have that much. I could see the whole deal if they had an elaborate set up & tons of chams to sell, but for what they had, I just don't think it was fair to the OP. Or any other potential sellers Just MHO...
And from what I saw, there was only ONE empty table. The crowd was not sparse, but the place wasn't overrun with customers, either.
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Personally, I don't see what the big deal was, they were set up to the left as soon as you walk in the door, but didn't have that much. I could see the whole deal if they had an elaborate set up & tons of chams to sell, but for what they had, I just don't think it was fair to the OP.

The amount of stuff that FL chams on their table was considerably larger than what they normally have. They also expanded to sell larger set-ups and other merchandise. I actually think it is a good idea to sell set-ups for some of the more demanding reptiles.

I was also at this show on Sat. for a while. As has been stated many times before (about other Repticon shows and this one), there was multiple tables that had chams. I counted at least 3 others maybe four in the whole show. This was not a big show by any means so to have a total of 4 tables at the show with chams is pretty good.

All in all, I call it a success. It is clearly going to be this way for at least the length of FL Chams contract. So really we are just :deadhorse:D
 
Agreed

The amount of stuff that FL chams on their table was considerably larger than what they normally have. They also expanded to sell larger set-ups and other merchandise. I actually think it is a good idea to sell set-ups for some of the more demanding reptiles...
All in all, I call it a success. It is clearly going to be this way for at least the length of FL Chams contract. So really we are just :deadhorse:D


If that was an expansion on what they usually have...
I agree that it's a good idea (for anyone) to sell set-ups, it's almost a no-brainer.
I have found that Repticon shows are always on the small side. From what I've seen over the course of the last 5 yrs, they have been that way. They did have less empty tables at this one than some I've been to (possibly due to 'contracts' with certain vendors?).
At any rate, this thread has brought to light some of the inner workings of what goes on behind the scenes of shows that some of us may not have been aware of. A good percentage of posters agreed with the OP, a good percentage didn't. I think we all feel better for having put in our .02, and this horse is about as dead as it can get. :yesnod:
 
I attended the Repticon show in Houston, Tx on July 31, 2010. It was a horrible show. They had 4 rows of vendors and Fl Chams was not there. The lighting for the show suuuucked bad. It was dark and the vendors didnt have alot of animals. I paid 10 to enter plus 2 bux to park. I felt I had to buy some supplies just to break even for going. Not going back to this show EVER again. And this wasnt my first show either...Jm .02
 
So not a good thing at all. This trend needs to stop before it kills the hobby. Remember most people who buy animals are breeders and hobbyists. Not a smart move.
 
Looks like Repticon is limiting sand boa dealers now.

http://www.iherp.com/Public/Blog/Detail.aspx?UID=96946

Sadly, they also just recently started limiting rodent dealers as well. For the past several years, I've ALWAYS purchased my feeder rodents from Ted Williams with Raging Rodents. He always has the sizes I need, at a price that's more than competitive. Heck, if he didn't have exactly what I needed, I've literally watched him go over to another vendor, and BUY what it was I needed, just to make sure he had a happy customer. However, starting at the Atlanta Repticon show, Ted was no longer allowed to sell frozen rodents because Mice Direct has some exclusivity clause. (It may actually have been before Atlanta, that was just the first show I went to and noticed he wasn't there.) So, I was dismayed that I couldn't support the business that I had been thrilled to be supporting for quite some time. But I decided I would at least give Mice Direct a shot, and went and checked out their tables. Not only were their prices significantly higher than Raging Rodents (not to mention some of the other vendors usually there as well), but they didn't even have Rabbits. I don't use a lot of rabbits, but I've NEVER had an issue getting them at a show before. So, needless to say, I left that show a little more than disappointed.

This is pulled directly off of Repticon's site (under Vendor Rules)
"Frozen Rodents: Mice Direct is the exclusive provider of frozen rodents at all Repticon shows. No other vendor may offer frozen rodents, promote frozen rodent sales, or bring a freezer into any Repticon show without the approval of Mice Direct."

So, is Mice Direct running Repticon now? Why in the world would a rodent business have to get permission from Mice Direct to be a vendor? Their table money isn't going to Mice Direct, it's going to Repticon, right? Certainly sounds like the result of some kind of back room, shady dealings. It's bad enough that (in my opinion) Repticon shows have been steadily going down hill for the past couple years. But now they're running out locally owned small businesses that are located closely to some of their shows? Why? Is Mice Direct worried about a little healthy competition? I guess Repticon should just go ahead and sign some exclusivity deals on Ball Pythons, Bearded Dragons, and Leopard Geckos too. I mean really, why not go ahead and have an exclusive provider for ALL the major pet reptile species.

Don't get me wrong, I understand wanting to make sure your shows are covered when it comes to feeders (or sand boas, or whatever else) but wouldn't it stand to reason that if they opened the playing field, coverage wouldn't be an issue in the first place? I know at the Columbia SC Repticon show in....2010 I believe...there were like 6 or 7 frozen rodent vendors there. ALL of which, seemed to be making a good deal of money, and had a pretty steady customer flow. It seems like a boneheaded business move on Repticon's part (unless Mice Direct is paying them some large sum of money to maintain their contract). Think about it, 4 or 5 rodent vendors, each paying for lets say a minimum of 2 tables a piece? In ADDITION to the tables Mice Direct would already be paying for. You're looking at 8+ tables, and around $650. I'm not naive enough to think that Repticon is going to make it or break it on $650. But I'm also not stupid enough to turn down any extra money coming my way, OR the opportunity to serve a larger client base.

Now, again, they're a private business, and they can run their shows however they want to. I however, will take my money elsewhere.
 
What promoters do when their desparate for money.

Youd think who cares, let everyone in to make it a better show more variety. I for one would never feed Mice direct food due to the low quality food they feed their rodents.

So now everyone is subject to that cause of competition. Are these companies insecure with their quality or service they have to eliminate everyone else at the shows.
 
Its sad to limit competition especially at the small shows. At the Anderson SC Repticon back in Dec, they had to ask vendors to spread out over multiple tables due to not filling the space and lots of last minute vendor cancellations.
 
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