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Inquiry REPTICON Show Series Exclusive Sponsorship Agreement with FL Chams

bareptiles wrote:
I didnt hear 1 vendor or 1 customer complain about anything there.
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The people complaining are the vendors that were excluded from vending at the show.


That said, I can understand how such business decisions negatively affect people. I feel it's a bad idea in that it will be hard to implement in a manner beneficial to all parties in the long run.

I think knobtail hit it on the head with post #78. If this works as intended, it still may open the door for potential problems.

And if I were presented with the same offer, I would certainly turn it down. First of all, I don't breed enough of the things to warrant such a deal. Second of all, the highlight of going to these shows (for me)is to meet other people that work with chameleons and to talk about them. Money is good, I try to obtain it when I can. If it's just money I need, I'll work weekends*, not vend at a reptile show. I do that for fun.

*this is under the assumption that I'll have a job soon... hehe.
 
All very good points guys, but at this point it is Repticons choice to do what they have done. It may open some bad doors or maybe good ones who knows.
One other point Eric is what about those of us who do this for a liven. We have to do things so close to perfect or we end up here getting our heads bashed for a little mistake or a big one. Remember we are all human and make mistakes. We all love what we do for the herp community or we wouldnt be here talking about this or the other things that get posted here. We are all at different stages of this business or hobby, and some make big dicisions that break us and some make us look like super man. I love seeing tons of vendors doing well. That means times are going good and a poor showing means oh crap.

thanks
chris
 
It is funny that the venders that set up at this past weekends show and had tables dont see anything wrong with this and thier was no problems and no one was complaining, But wait............what will happen when one of these venders gets thrown out of the show because repticon excludes them from the shows, gues what, they will be right here doing the same thing that Nic is, saying it is not right or fair, Like i said before who is next, Does anyone want to make a bet who will be the next one down the road to be thrown out of the show so someone else can be the only one thier sell what they sell, I wonder if i went to repticon and offered them the right amount of money if i can be the only ball python vender in the show, I wonder how much money i would make if i was the only one their selling ball pythons, Their is alot of venders that support the repticon show so they are not going to say anything bad about it, they are going to stand up for the show so they dont get kicked out them self......lol....lol....lol they need to wipe the bootty crums off of thier lips, they are kissing to much bootty.......lol.......lol.....that was funny......ha....ha,,,, they need to stand up and say that this is not the right way to run a show, and put a stop to it before they are the next one to go. YOU DONT SEE THIS GOING ON AT THE DAYTONA REPTILE SHOW!!!!!!!!
 
Fred what is there to say that is bad about the show it was their decision. If Im asked not to come back I have 3-4 other shows to go do. Life goes on. Or Ill stay home and play with my kids. I know Nic wanted to go do this show and thats great. I do feel for him but it is what it is. Once again Fred Repticon wanted a for sure thing. If I remember correctly Nic didnt even ask for tables till 3 weeks before the show. Fl Chams commited to all shows good or bad. Who is taken the chance here. NOT REPTICON IN MY EYES! I can say this it costs me well over 500 to do 1 Repticon with all my expenses. What happens if I have a yuck show i can say no to the next, Fl Chams cant they are locked in.
 
fred tompson said:
It is funny that the venders that set up at this past weekends show and had tables dont see anything wrong with this and thier was no problems and no one was complaining, But wait............what will happen when one of these venders gets thrown out of the show because repticon excludes them from the shows, gues what, they will be right here doing the same thing that Nic is, saying it is not right or fair, Like i said before who is next, Does anyone want to make a bet who will be the next one down the road to be thrown out of the show so someone else can be the only one thier sell what they sell, I wonder if i went to repticon and offered them the right amount of money if i can be the only ball python vender in the show, I wonder how much money i would make if i was the only one their selling ball pythons, Their is alot of venders that support the repticon show so they are not going to say anything bad about it, they are going to stand up for the show so they dont get kicked out them self......lol....lol....lol they need to wipe the bootty crums off of thier lips, they are kissing to much bootty.......lol.......lol.....that was funny......ha....ha,,,, they need to stand up and say that this is not the right way to run a show, and put a stop to it before they are the next one to go. YOU DONT SEE THIS GOING ON AT THE DAYTONA REPTILE SHOW!!!!!!!!
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You dont see it at the Daytona Show????? Take off the blinders !
It happens at EVERY show in one form or another.

"Thrown out" ? Being denied a space at the show is a bit different than being thrown out. I do the Repticon Events ..... and those who know me ....know I do not have a problem speaking my mind. I have voiced complaints to Billy when necessary...and they have handled things very professionally and timely.
And I have not been "kicked out" or "banned" from any of their events.

If the OP had decided to handle this a little better, and taken Billy up on his offer to discuss it in person, I am certain they would have both come to some type of agreeable arrangement.
 
Bareptiles:

If he did the show and he didnt do good them no one is to blame, that is just buisnes, you learn to sell cheaper, or bring better things, but at least he would have a chance to set up. and you say that repticon wanted a sure thing, they had a sure thing because if FL. Chams didnt come to the show thier was other venders thier that had chameleons, and it doesnt matter that he whated three weeks before the show to get his tables, i have heard of poeple getting spaces at these showa two days before the show, so that doesnt have anything to do with it. and they did take his money and he did talk to repticon about setting up at the show. and FL Chams is not locked into nothing, if they dont want to do a show then they are not going to go. and at least you had the chance to set up at the show, Nic never did, he could of been so good at the show that he could of done all of the repticon shows,
 
Fred, at least now you are getting it. ITS BUSINESS. ( AND THATS WHAT YOU SAID) If you want cheep go field collect! THATS FREE........ I dont know the agreement but I bet there is some sort that says they have to go to so many shows. I wouldnt give an exclusive to anyone without some kind of contract. Also try to get into a big show 2 days before show time good luck. Ya a small show easy a NARBC, DAYTONA, or even the Columbia show not a chance.
 
homegrownherps:
the Daytona show doesnt have exclusives, he gives everyone a fair chance he doesnt let one vender not have a chance because thier is another vender their selling the same thing, he has rule that are spelled out, and if you do right by his rules then you can set up at his show,if you break his rules then you set out the show, he doesnt change them up when ever he feels like it, and look at how big the Daytona show is, that is how i look at it. be fair all the way around, like i said how do you know that Nic could of put on a better display, have better animals and have better prices than FL. Chams, no one will ever know........ and dont you think that the poeple that pays that 8.00 to get in the door will say that they are ok with just one select breeder in the show, how about someone that wants to start breeding for them self, how are they going to get good blood lines if they keep buying from the same breeder because that is all they have to pick from at a repticon show, I dont want to hatch a three-eyed deformed chameleon, people want selection, more to select from, not the same old venders, if i went to a show and all i seen was the same venders, i would get tired of going to the show seeing the same old thing, boring..... and you wonder why some of these shows dont do good, low attendents, no one spending money at the show...
 
Fred Im sure Nics animals are very nice but its their show. They can do as they wish if you dont like it dont go! This was not personal.
 
fred tompson said:
homegrownherps:
the Daytona show doesnt have exclusives, he gives everyone a fair chance he doesnt let one vender not have a chance because thier is another vender their selling the same thing, he has rule that are spelled out, and if you do right by his rules then you can set up at his show,if you break his rules then you set out the show, he doesnt change them up when ever he feels like it, and look at how big the Daytona show is, that is how i look at it. be fair all the way around, like i said how do you know that Nic could of put on a better display, have better animals and have better prices than FL. Chams, no one will ever know........ and dont you think that the poeple that pays that 8.00 to get in the door will say that they are ok with just one select breeder in the show, how about someone that wants to start breeding for them self, how are they going to get good blood lines if they keep buying from the same breeder because that is all they have to pick from at a repticon show, I dont want to hatch a three-eyed deformed chameleon, people want selection, more to select from, not the same old venders, if i went to a show and all i seen was the same venders, i would get tired of going to the show seeing the same old thing, boring..... and you wonder why some of these shows dont do good, low attendents, no one spending money at the show...
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Like I said in my last post ...If the OP would have met with Billy in person when he was offered the opportunity ..... he would not have had to come here the way he did. He choose to come here and make a big issue out of it, instead of meeting with Billy.:rolleyes:

As for Daytona .... I know ppl who have their tables buried in the hallway because the ticked off certain ppl.
 
fred tompson said:
like i said how do you know that Nic could of put on a better display, have better animals and have better prices than FL. Chams, no one will ever know
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Since it's apparently such a big concern to you, feel free to check both of their websites and compare prices. You pretend that these people can't be contacted, or that you can't buy from Nic besides at a show. If someone decides to buy from Nic, go buy from Nic.

It's been said a dozen times but isn't sinking in - There were many other vendors there with chameleons, and I'm sure there were many times more chameleons in the show with the other vendors than FLChams had in their booth. You're acting like people had zero options, and were forced into the show, and forced to spend money with FLChams. People earlier were talking about "the survival of this show" or the show series or whatever, but from what I understand, there was huge attendance there over the weekend. I guess the 2-3 people protesting out front didn't make a very big dent. You did protest, didn't you?
 
Absolutely the show has every right to do what they please -- but they should be respectful to the community about it as well.

If they are going to exclude chameleons because they have an exclusive agreement with a vendor then they need to exclude everyone from selling chameleons -- not just the ones who's primary business is chameleons.

As well they need to state on their website or application that they do not accept chameleon vendors. People put a lot of money into getting ready for shows - imagine if you planned on vending at a show - sent in your application and fees, bought a bunch of supplies and then found out you wouldn't be allowed to vend. That would kind of suck don't you think - sure you might get your fees back but what about all that extra stuff you bought thinking you'd be able to do the show.

It's just about respect.
 
I did get into Daytona show that week of the show, their are people that cancle or cant make it, so yes i have done shows, and had for many years, i mostly attend shows now buying animals to breed, so i am the person that pays $8.00 to go into a show to buy, and yes i want to have more of a choice to buy, that is what you dont get, it is about more selection, not one breeder, i want a selection, and just like i said this doesnt go on at the Dayton show, you tell me one time something like this happened at that show, and just like what happened here everyone would of herd about it, look at how many people have read this post. and i have seen thing like this at show and they lost a lot of people because of it, and so my quistion to you is, were is the line drawn, so i can bring 300 chameleons to a show and one ball python and one bearded dragon, and that makes it ok for me to sell all those chameleons, how many other animals do i have to sell with my chameleons to make it not look like that is all i am selling is chameleons, were is the rule were does it stop, that is what all this is about, repticon needs to put the rules on the website and stick to them not make thing up as they go at someone else exspence, repticon makes dame will sure they have all their legal stuff in order to rent these buildings so they dont get cancled at the last min or kicked out., so why cant they do that for thier venders, some kind of insurance that they will be able to vend without getting put out at the last min. or after they spent money to do the show. That is good buisness,
 
Well that's the problem. If they want to do this, they can, and it's fine - when I put up my money and time to run a show, I will have the same freedom they do with my investment.
The question, in my mind, is not whether they can or should do an exclusivity deal or not, but are they doing it right.

I've got no plans to vend at a show for the immediate future, but I'd like to down the road - it's been a while.
My concern is for the well being of the hobby in general. The chameleon industry takes a back seat to the hobby for me, though it's clear that they are not totally independent of each other.

I think the ways this deal(and similar ones) negatively affect the hobby have been laid out - as have the positives.

Clearly, people were selling chameleons other than FLchams. I suspect, i the future, people who deal exclusively in chameleons will find a way to get in, possibly by selling other animals as well.

The deal is fairly black and white - Repticon can do what they want, and this is what they're doing. The problem is that this leaves a gray area for possible exploitation. What is the limit (of loophole chameleons)that will be tolerated by a sponsor who has paid good money and time for exclusivity? Surely, this must have a benefit for the sponsor.

Other people can and do and will sell chameleons - at what point does this benefit become negligible to the sponsor?

What is to be done then?
Does Repticon put out a limit on the number of chameleons someone can sell?
Do they grandfather old vendors, but not allow any more new vendors to sell chameleons?
Do they put an outright ban of chameleons,aside from the ones sold by the sponsor?

What does the sponsor do?
End it?
Force the promoters to ban/limit/prohibit chameleons?


For something like this to really work, I think it must be straightforward, black and white, yes or no. If i were paying money to have exclusive rights, and if I were going to to non-profitable shows as part of that contract - at my cost - I would want to gain from it. With the non-ban on chameleons, I cannot see how this will really work long term.

Repticon can't ban chameleon sales - there are so many vendors that would be pissed off, they would be selling the shows back to Tony before long!

The details of such deals are going to have to be published - at least the areas of it that affect and limit other vendors. They are going to need to know what they can and cannot do. It will be interesting to see.
 
:shootfootno i didnt protest, i wasnt going to waist my time going to this show because it is the same old veders their, repticon doesnt let new venders in that sells animals like the other venders have, and plus do you think it would of been worth my time to drive all the way from tampa,fl. to go to that show, right..........:shootfoot
 
Fred thats not true about new vendors. Ive only done 3 of their shows and there were several new vendors there. I did drive 10 plus hours and yes it was worth my time. I have to give it to Repticon they spend money to make money and get people in the doors. As a vendor what more can i ask but to get people in front of my table. Thats when I get my chance to earn a prospects business.
 
fred tompson said:
:shootfootno i didnt protest, i wasnt going to waist my time going to this show because it is the same old veders their, repticon doesnt let new venders in that sells animals like the other venders have, and plus do you think it would of been worth my time to drive all the way from tampa,fl. to go to that show, right..........:shootfoot
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You obviously do not know what your talking about..."the same old vendors" :rolleyes:
I guess it is easier to protest on the BOI than to go to the show in person and see what it has to offer.

The Repticon Even this past weekend in Columbia had recording breaking attendance, +250 VIP tickets PRE sold. Trust me when I say the line of VIPs stretched across the parking lot ! :D
 
that is funny, i heard that the show started off slow, and attendence was down, that was from a vender that was their, and why wont anyone answer what i asked were is the line drawn on who can sell chameleons and other reptiles at the same both, can i sell 300 chameleons as long as i have one bearded dragon and one ball python, were is the rule, if nic sold three other animals besides chameleons is that ok, what is the rule, i bet if all these issues was put up for a vote, and what everyone has allready said on these post it looks like they are against this happening at the shows, read alll the post, and that is all i got to say about that, let the post vote
 
Fred what do you really care you were not there. You didnt want to see the same ole vendors. We had no people there you say. I saw plenty of people and plenty on nice quality animals. Hell I even bought a few myself.

There is no (RULE) THAT YOU WANT! READ SLOWLY FRED....... Repticon did what they did for a reason and its over deal with it. Hell Fred why dont you go bitch about all the restaurants that only carry 1 line of soda.

Vote all you want Fred you dont run or own Repticon it doesnt matter ITS THEIR SHOW
 
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