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Bad Guy Reptile Addicts / Fred Kick

bullies&balls said:
Right there is the whole problem. All these big suppliers and flippers, and breeders just want you to take another one off the rack. If you gave me a piece of TRASH like the one the OP got, there is no way in Hell I'd take another animal. Not to mention, the seller is also accountable for all the vet bills associated with the animal they PAWNED off. Lets NOT forget that the WHOLESALER in question, also breeds an in this case was dealing with an individual on a single animal purchase. Just shows how sucky there CS is. they are used to blaming death,disease and junk on trashy imports and the "acceptable lose" on wholesale.
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I never said it was OK to sell a sick snake. I'm just saying it's not smart to wait until three months after the purchase to find out what the guarantee on the animal is.
 
The BOI is a very valuable tool if used correctly, but I'm getting really tired of seeing bickers erupt over grammar/spelling and people attacking OPs for every little thing they can think of. I consider myself a person with good grammar skills, but I don't crucify everyone else for their mistakes when it is only detracting from the purpose of a thread meant to inform others of a shady business! Everyone makes mistakes, and by the way, Nivea987, it's "you're welcome" not "your welcome." Now stop correcting everyone else's grammar and get back on topic! This kind of bickering is in every single thread I have read lately, and the BOI is no place for it.
 
I think a lot of people see insults where there are not necessarily meant to be insults when reading things on the web. I've seen so many things get carried away that didn't need to be. I just find it particularly funny when people get hung up on spelling and grammar and then there is inevitably a post where someone is attacking someone else's grammar and makes a mistake themselves. I have a screwy sense of humor. :)
 
Oh no worries. My mother used to ride my arse all through school. Sometimes when she visits I purposly misspeak! Steams her to no end! Lol 'Can't not' is of my favs.
 
Nivea987 said:
My question to the op is. First you stated you didnt wann as drive a half hour for live feeders because this is the only snake you have. Then you proceed to say I will not be purchasing anymore for at least 6 months for the safety of your other snakes. Why contradict yourself openly to him? Doesnt help your case.
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You're right. It's confusing. Here is why: The rosy boa was intended for my cousin (it would've been her first snake). I have 2 snakes of my own, but neither of them eat small enough live prey that would require I or my cousin to make the 30min drive (each way!) to the only place that sells live prey of varying sizes. Because of the condition of the snake, I didn't let my cousin take it, and so I kept it with me (in quarantine of course). I hope that clears up some of the confusion!
 
That's kinda what I was thinking. No worries. Sorry to blow up your thread. When I lived in az I used to catch and release alot rosies. If Id of known you, I would have let you have a couple.
 
Mike Schultz said:
I never said it was OK to sell a sick snake. I'm just saying it's not smart to wait until three months after the purchase to find out what the guarantee on the animal is.
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To be clear, I did not wait 3 mos to find out the return policy on the animal. Most breeders have a 2-week return policy, and that is what I was told by the breeder at the expo when I bought the rosy boa. I e-mailed the breeder exactly a week after buying the snake, at the first refused meal, on October 24, 2011. If you read through the e-mails carefully, you'll see that beginning on my first e-mail to Fred, I start asking about return/refund. After a while it became clear that the snake was really much sicker than I would've imagined. I wanted to provide for the snake the very best I could; and returning the animal to the place where she acquired such a horrible state seemed inhumane. Those who know me, know that I am one of the most caring, loving, and soft-hearted person for animals you might ever meet. All I wanted to do was to ensure the well-being or the best I could do for the snake. Now that the snake is "in a better place," and no longer suffering, I want to seek justice for the time, money, and worry I invested in. I refuse to become yet another person he scams and gets away with it. I am, in fact, filing at small claims court, and hopefully this will bring my family and I some closure.

Please refrain from petty arguments that are not pertinent to the subject at hand (i.e.: grammar & spelling). Though I am merely human and may have made a small error here and there, I did what I did with the sole interest of the snake at hand, as I was truly worried for her quality of life. Looking through the BOI, one can easily see that I am not the first to suffer at the work of Fred Kick and Reptile Addicts. I can only hope that my experience can serve as evidence of yet another dissatisfied customer, and that others may not fall into a similar trap. Thanks for reading.
-Alessia Bachrach
 
Mike Schultz said:
I never said it was OK to sell a sick snake. I'm just saying it's not smart to wait until three months after the purchase to find out what the guarantee on the animal is.
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As the OP clarified, this was NOT the case. Here is the problem, The crap slingers keep telling the buyers to do this and what is this and that, when they KNOW they sold crap. They will ignore, avoid and deflect until their crappy quarentee is void and this is IF thye even offer one. there is NO ecuse in this case as questions were asked and then the remarks when the crap hit the fan differs on the kicks end of it. This is NOT the first, heck even thrid or forth time that a buyer has asked about feeding protocol and received different stories.

Shame people still flock to their booths, when they could give a crap less about any of the animals they sell !!
 
alessia55 said:
You're right. It's confusing. Here is why: The rosy boa was intended for my cousin (it would've been her first snake). I have 2 snakes of my own, but neither of them eat small enough live prey that would require I or my cousin to make the 30min drive (each way!) to the only place that sells live prey of varying sizes. Because of the condition of the snake, I didn't let my cousin take it, and so I kept it with me (in quarantine of course). I hope that clears up some of the confusion!
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I figured that was the reason but thanks for clarifying. Either way if it was supposed to be eating frozen thawed you shouldn't be expected to have to find live mice for it. It sounds like he just lied about it to make the sale.

alessia55 said:
I refuse to become yet another person he scams and gets away with it. I am, in fact, filing at small claims court, and hopefully this will bring my family and I some closure.

-Alessia Bachrach
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I hope you follow through with the lawsuit. Successful or not it may make him think twice before doing this to anyone else. Good luck.
 
There was never any SOLID credit offered, just "bring it to the next show and depending on what shape it's in may offer you something". Of course, the snake was in sucky shape, otherwise the whole situation never would have arisen. It's just another way to not do anything about the problem.

Also, I find it funny that he's acting like he knows this snake personally. She was in great shape when you got her... I've seen Reptile Addicts for years at two different shows and I doubt Kick knows anything at all about that particular snake.

A piece of advice for those new to shows- if a vendor has 50 different species on their table, look as you're walking by, but don't buy from them. Think about it... nobody is going to breed that many species. And if they're reselling them, what is the likelihood that they quarantine properly, or that they provide top notch care for all those species?

OP, sorry you lost the snake.
 
pakinjak said:
A piece of advice for those new to shows- if a vendor has 50 different species on their table, look as you're walking by, but don't buy from them. Think about it... nobody is going to breed that many species. And if they're reselling them, what is the likelihood that they quarantine properly, or that they provide top notch care for all those species?
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Good luck finding an emperor scorpion breeder

Good luck finding a golden gecko breeder

Good luck finding a mangrove snake breeder

the list goes on. instead of judging somebody by the fact that they have lots of cool animals for sale, try talking to them and seeing what kind of vendor they are. some wholesalers are good, some are bad... it's the same with breeders.
 
Mr. Schultz no argument intended, but I know a breeder for each ssp you listed. You are correct about a lil face to face though. I find it easier to just deal with friends or even just a reputable dealer. If its a high end ssp or of greater importance just ask and check reputable references or as pakin said just pass by. Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it!
 
One problem is not every breeder advertises their goods. They may only frequent shows or deal to select individuals. In some cases the offspring are gone before hatched or dropped.
 
The kick brothers more then likely had that snake for less then a week. They buy hundreds of snakes a week at shows. People are dumping snakes buy the hundreds now for nothing. People are finding out it's a hobby not a way to make money and they pulling the plug. The kicks can't look at them all. It's your job to look at the snake before buying.

Alex
 
So the Kicks don't have to look at what they are buying but everyone else does? If they are buying to many animals that they don't know what the condition and health of the animals are they shouldn't be flipping them. For me I would just avoid them
 
Mike Schultz said:
Good luck finding an emperor scorpion breeder

Good luck finding a golden gecko breeder

Good luck finding a mangrove snake breeder

the list goes on. instead of judging somebody by the fact that they have lots of cool animals for sale, try talking to them and seeing what kind of vendor they are. some wholesalers are good, some are bad... it's the same with breeders.
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I understand your point. However, if I was in the market for an animal like that I'd go with a shipped animal from one of the suppliers that have a good reputation in the online community. I don't think you're going to figure out if the Kicks are good or bad sellers based off of a short conversation at a show... that's the issue for me.
 
alex bleas said:
The kick brothers more then likely had that snake for less then a week. They buy hundreds of snakes a week at shows. People are dumping snakes buy the hundreds now for nothing. People are finding out it's a hobby not a way to make money and they pulling the plug. The kicks can't look at them all. It's your job to look at the snake before buying.

Alex
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WOW !!! is all I can think to say to this. That's ahy many BREEDERS aviod their tables like the plague. BUt, this is NOT good business or good practice. Regardless of how many they get dumped into their laps, if htey sell them, then they are accountable for them. If you read the entire thread, then you see beyond the eyecaps and other deplorable conditions of the snake, that the OP asked certain questions about said animal and received answers that were NOT true and or accurate. BAD BUSINESS, BAD ETHICS, BAD HUSBANDRY, BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE etc...
 
Alessia, I hope you find some luck in your pursuit of justice for your experience. Since this seems to be more of a normal way to do business for them you will probably hit some road blocks in your small claims suit. Sometimes justice is more than just about getting some money back; it is more about the principle of the thing. It is very unfortunate that the snake had to be put in a better place and you can't even get a quick refund for at least the animal. Do not procrastinate too much on filing the small claims suit if that is indeed the route you are going to take. I have been in pursuit of justice against someone through small claims court because of a snake scam. I have learned many more things about the legal system in this regard and may be able to offer some pointers if you run into any major snags. Thank you for posting of your experience and I hope this does not become a common occurance for you in the reptile world. Jason
 
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